Yesterday when i was scanning thos forum for a slight update, a random thought hit me.

I remember a post that Suzerane made saying 'You can be a big fish in a small pond' and devs saying that you will never become a Uber Character or never have large armys follow you or anything like that.

Well if this is true and the game is really focused on realism, dont you think that most players will never see most of Middle Earth in the Mod. For example how many people are actually going to make it Mount Doom. I mean what does one man have in making it alone.

So i was thinking isn't it quite pointless to be making lots of things that most people wont see (yes blastephemy sp?) but then again this is a tribute to Tolkien so i understand why you want to make the whole thing.

Sorry for thos i'm not to sure what my argument or point is but just wanted to share my view lol

Well - don't you think its going to make it infinitely replayable? If in one game its only feasible to see even as much as a quarter of the world, you can always start in a new location with a new race and explore again.

Its kind of the point.

It will be a suicide mission to go charging into mordor in any timeframe, but how lethal these areas actually are is totally timeline dependant. IMO that level of danger will make the game about 2000% more interesting than if we were utilising a difficultly more on Morrowinds level.

Ember.

Ohhh yer i forgot about the different races start in different locations, yes i see what you mean.

Yes it'll just add to the game play so when you play with one race or character it'll be extremly different to another race that you can play. Oh gd gd.

Well, you have to fix the NPC's insane extraterrestrial ability to detect you even if you are sneaking, invisible, and completely hidden whereas even thermal vision wouldn't find you.

And assuming that you guys are including more than just the human race, which, up to this point, is the only one that seems possible.

Come to think of it, I remember Suze or Daerk saying Men might not even be playable....

At least one race will be playable. so it's not quite a film.

Only Race I can definately confirm is unplayable would be the Ents. Sorry, treehuggers.

and the reason we're creating everything is simply this: there's always going to be some bastard who wants to go see Mount Gundabad, or the Sea of Rhun, or The Ice Bay of Forochiel, or Umbar, or Tharbad, or.....
*continues for an hour...*

Suz.

Thanks for clearing that up Suzeraine, i guess it wouldn't really be a Middle Earth Mod if the whole of Middle Earth wasn't in it.

And as for playable races, i just hope the only 'definate' playable race isn't Hobbits lol

Well, you could always use the console and cheat

No, actually I didn't say that... hehe.

yes.... yes we will...

When you think about it Dwarves would be a good playable race cuase they are basicly hobbits on steriods.

LOL...

Oh no, they've found us out! Someone on the teamster forums must have leaked the official description of the Dwarves from Suz: "Hobbits on steriods."

[QUOTE]For example how many people are actually going to make it Mount Doom. I mean what does one man have in making it alone.



i thought that i read somewhere that you could join a fellowship (not the Fellowship)of people while you journey around middle earth?

correct me if im wrong

I'm guessing so lol its going to be good having a game that i most likely know i'm never going to see most of. But at least it'll give us all something to aim for.

[/QUOTE]Oh, and Mr. Suzerain? That one playable race wouldn't happen to be eagles, would it?[QUOTE]

He said nothing about one playable race. Only that there's only one surely unplayable race, Ents. If you're referring to my saying that only one seems possible right now, is because every time someone on the forums posted concerning races, Daerk would say "Uess we can make the gameplay equal, they won't be in it."

He said that "at least one race will be playable", so I was just trying to make him reveal which one, if thay had indeed decided upon any... Didn't work, but my guess is that humans are very likely to be in it, and probably hobbits, too. Anyway, I am confident that the team will make all the right decisions!

perhaps you could ride an eagle for some distance in a quest you have to complete.
That would be so cool, riding on the eagle kings back for a while as a reward for helping the eagles.

Well, it could be fun if it was a real slow-flying eagle, or else you would have to load a new cell every 2 seconds... Besides, those darned eagles are pretty picky about who they take for a ride!

Eagles... Pyh... If there will be some kind of flyining thing it must be A2 aeroplane then... I want to burn every orc with a load of napalm. And what is a Middle-Earth based mod without few Shilkas, eh?

I really don't see any good reason that elves shouldn't be playable. After all other than the works of a handful of exceptional elves(i.e.Feanor), what deed of elves is unmatched by the deeds of men. OK, maybee Galadriel has those telepathic powers and can tend he forest with here ring, and Elrond has his forsight(extreem wisdom some might say).

But MEmod pc's aren't going to be of that kind of renound. And for all there subtil boons being an elf would have drawbacks. I believe reading that elves couldn't survive being in Mordor because of the absolute grife it would give them, though I could be wrong. And it seems that the mighty among men are being overlooked; Beorn, Beren, Aragorn to name a few. I think Tolkien ment for men and elves to be equals, but due to the coruptions of Melkor nobody saw this in Iluvatar's design. But I admit that I don't quite grasp the designs of the Devs either and its not a good idea to 'help' and artist.

Way off topic, I know, but while this whole thing about races is floting around I figured I would get this off my chest. BTW I not some dire elf fanatic (if there is a choice, I'm going with men), I'm just trying to say that they should fit in.

peace

Am I the only one here, planning to do a pilgrimage from Hobbiton to Orod Ruin/Amon Amarth?

The route is as follows.

Hobbiton>The Old Forest>The Barrow-Downs>Bree>Amon Sûl>Rivendell>Pass of Karadhras>Moria>Lothlórien>Anduin>Rauros>Emyn Muil>The Dead Marshes>Morannon>Annûn Hennêth>The Crossroads>Minas Morgul/Ithil>Kirith Ungol>Gorgoroth>Orod Ruin

Sounds familiar?

Well good luck on doing that. One thing that could stop you before you even really start is Moria depending on the time line. But just think how long that would take to do such a trip and also the hardening of your character before hand and gathering the equipment. Dont know if i'd have the patience.

As for the men and elves i agree i think Tolkien wanted us to be almost as equals. Or maybe slightly different, showing that the Elves are more gracious and elegant and so forth than us. But when reading the Silmarillion i think he really exclaims the deeds of the great men in his history.

Showing that we may seem weak in mind and sometimes strength and easily currupted and so forth, we are still capable of great things when a few exceptional people speak out, rather like our own past in real life. Or something like that lol

Hmm, I have a question I've been meaning to ask for a bit. Everyone seems to be talking about how you won't be powerful no matter how often you play. (How do you implement this? Am I stuck being a basic dwarf axeman, or does it just mean I won't become practically invulnerable like I did all too quickly in Morrowind. It was just too easy.)
And how do the DEV's plan to stop cheaters? This isn't a multiplayer game, is it?


Sorry if my questions are dumb and/or answered before, I read the complete "Daerk On" and been following the forums for a bit but I didn't quite get these questions. . .



Oh, another question, what about thievery? In Morrowind it was very easy to be a succesful thief, and the rewards were staggering. Is the mod going to make it more difficult?

Well i'm not a dev or anything lol but i'll try and answer your questions by what i know.

About being to powerful. I think they have said that MeMod will not include the same leveling system as Morrowind, it is different. I'm not sure if there even using levels who knows, you'll need some one on the inside to answer that. No i dont think you will ever become god like, like you can in Morrowind and be famous around the whole game and so on.

A thing that Suzerain once said on the subject was 'You can become a big fish in a small pond' and then somethng else but ive forgotten. This meaning that you can become powerful and influencial in a small area of the game or something like that but you will never be massive around the whole game. Yes that has gone onto a completly different subject but hey.

And as for cheaters i think they've put in instant death scripts to stop cheaters, i think this will also happen to any one who trys alter the time line, e.g. trying to kill Elrond. or they could just make Uber powerful and he'll kill you, who knows.

And as for stealing i'm guessing it will be harder considering that realism is a big thing for this mod.

Sorry if any of this is incorrect lol

I'd try that pilgramidge of the fellowship (In the navy and TONS of playtime on my hands at dull moments).
I don't mind spending a lot of time training a character, gathering/buying equipment and then going of on a long journey.
That is what i sought after in a game for a LONG time and never really found it.
This sounds like it might accomplish that so I CANT WAIT TO SEE IT

Unless bethesda is gonna do ALL of tamriel in tes4

I just wanna know if you included the lands around the east sea and the walls of the sun (which would make up the furthestmost eastern border of ME)
You cant go west because only elves are allowed into valinor, so for mortals there is just endless sea there..........

If I can go of on a foolish quest to the "sun rising hill" (lets see who has done his research) And I know it will be there after 3 months of traveling I will be finally happy

SO IS IT THERE ?? DONT GIVE ME "íf its in the books" PLEASE, IT WOULD BE GREAT !!!!

Thanks for the info Icefiddel! I just wanted to say that this mod looks to be the best lord of the Rings GAME of all time. It'll even beat Middle Earth Onlin in my opinion. I like the difficulty that they have planned, I'm NOT a really good gamer but in the original Morrowind you could be a Millionaire and almost invulnerable in a few hours of Gametime. I really really hope Dwarves will be playable, stupid elves.



As to what I'll do first when it comes out is to clear out some house near their version of the Creeper. (If there is one, sure hope there is.) And make that my base of operations, then I'll steal some decent armor (Or kill someone who has it by some trick.) And head out for wherever I'm close too. WILL visit Lonely Mountain and WILL visit White City and WILL visit. . . . EVERYWHERE!!!!



Thanks again Devs! You rock!

Hey guys!
One of the Silmarils is lying under the waters of the West Sea! (according to silmarillion)

Time to swim! (glup!)

We won't go anywhere at this rate... Will this mod ever be realeased? What ever happened to that "BETA" that was going to be released last year around christmas?

it was exciting to think about when the mod was first announced, but now it seems pointless.

(Boos Wizzy)

Ah, it will come, this DEV team is not restricted by deadlines, if they don't feel like releasing something at a certain time they simply won't release it. Think of Half Life 2 while your at it.

durbatuluk is right.
think of doom 3, diablo 2, warcraft 3, world of warcraft, pirates 2.

i'm waiting for pirates 2 since 1999!!

It's okay, devs... I've already sent a couple of my boys over to Wizzy's with bats and a chainsaw! I'll take care of it!

Wizzy: MEMod is like a bottle of fine wine... The longer the time it gets to mature, the better it will be! And when you pop the cork(i.e. releases beta) the wine will lose some of it's spark! Many secrets makes many surprises and more fun! To quote a person very dear to all of us:

As the traveller walked the road he saw it was good, so he walked on...

patience is a virtue

Been along follower (not complaining about delays) and I was just curious as to how long you been making this mod?

(Figured I would add this just after someones moaning about it taking time)