Radagast: Master of Hues
Aug 5 2004, 05:37 AM

I've noticed by searching the forums that there will be lots of extra/realistic changes to over-all game play. In fact too many to remember mentally! Will there be a PDF/printable manual that details the extra features in depth. So one doesn’t mess-up their game because they don't know how to use a critical feature need to survive in the Memod? Finally will other languages be added as the game is translated from English into other languages? Concerning English will the manual contain British spelling, grammar, and pronunciation just like the mod?

P.S. Will there be illustrations/ingame pics in the manual?
Theta Orionis
Aug 5 2004, 07:24 AM
There will be some documentation with MEMod - whether that will be an extended read me file or a manual in addition to the read me file depends on how much information we think is essential. Perhaps you'll even get some of the information you need in game....
Most likely any written material accompanying MEMod will use UK spelling.
Yes, translated versions will be available with the translated versions of MEMod.
Illustrations - possibly.
Wookiee
Aug 5 2004, 11:21 AM
for the beta scripts as is there is almost somthing of a manual teamsters need to read befor using them and it would be a shame not to put our concept artists work on direct display and a high quality manual would do that nicely

I'll vote yes on this idea
suzerain
Aug 5 2004, 12:02 PM
What are people's opinions - would they be happy with something that can be stapled together into a smallish (say, 12 or 16-pages) manual for Memod? as if so, would people want black and White or colour ?
Note that such a manual would be the very last thing made for memod, so well in the future.
Suz
Hir_Nesta
Aug 5 2004, 12:34 PM
I'd be happy to have a manual in black and white...(colored would be too expensive)
(Don't forget the "making of!"-issue

)
MyDogsTale
Aug 5 2004, 01:06 PM
A manual would be cool

.
And background CA's in the manual would be a nice addition.
.:Imrahil:.
Aug 5 2004, 03:05 PM
Black and white will do. If it has nice pictures, artwork and backgrounds, even better! And, indeed, a making of would also be cool, so that we can finally have a look behind the scenes. And see what the hell you guys have been doing. Perhaps you should release the Devs forum
suzerain
Aug 5 2004, 03:57 PM
as has been said before, no chance, not if we ever want to work in the games industry again.
what goes on in the dev forums is bordering on X-rated with some of the events.
suz.
White Wolf
Aug 5 2004, 05:16 PM
| QUOTE (suzerain @ Aug 5 2004, 01:02 PM) |
| What are people's opinions - would they be happy with something that can be stapled together into a smallish (say, 12 or 16-pages) manual for Memod? as if so, would people want black and White or colour ? |
My own personal opinion is that, as long as it gives the necessary information for someone who has never even heard of MEMod before to play it, it doesn't really matter the format. However, if you want it to look professional and well done, it should be done in colour in the form of pages for an A5 booklet (as in, same sort of idea as the manual in a retail game), and, if you really want to go all out, with screenshots, illustrations and the whole shebang.
Another thing is, if you decide that you will do a professional looking manual, that might another thing that impresses potential employers if you use MEMod as an example of your work.
Radagast: Master of Hues
Aug 5 2004, 05:47 PM
"Perhaps you'll even get some of the information you need in game...." - Theta Orionis
I guess to some extent you could do this.... Like a smith teaching you how to look for quality armour and weapons (Using quality scripts I think a feature in the MEmod is different quality armour)
On the other hand it is weird for a person to be telling the player character to dress warm when in a snowstorm or how to eat. In the reality base MEmod is based off these are simple things and hopefully don't need to be explained. In game format however these and many other survival acts need to be explained because we don't know how much reality-reflecting features the mod contains. I think that other documentation other than in-game is needed. A notepad readme or an Adobe Acrobat Reader file (or some other file) is needed to keep realism. (It isn't realistic to have someone teaching a full-grown person how to eat)
P.S Thanks Theta Orionis for replying and shedding light on this perplexing mystery.
Thank You,
Radagast: Master of Hues
suzerain
Aug 5 2004, 06:11 PM
| QUOTE (White Wolf @ Aug 5 2004, 05:16 PM) |
, it should be done in colour in the form of pages for an A5 booklet (as in, same sort of idea as the manual in a retail game), and, if you really want to go all out, with screenshots, illustrations and the whole shebang.
Another thing is, if you decide that you will do a professional looking manual, that might another thing that impresses potential employers if you use MEMod as an example of your work. |
I was more thinking what sort of format would players be able to print it themselves?
I can easily have 32-page full colour gloss manuals desinged or printed, but that'd only be if it were distributed by retail - I need to know what player's preferred format for sothing they print and put together would be...
Suz.
Slaiv
Aug 5 2004, 06:12 PM
| QUOTE (Hir_Nesta @ Aug 5 2004, 07:34 AM) |
(Don't forget the "making of!"-issue ) |
Not gonna happen.
Read here...
Radagast: Master of Hues
Aug 5 2004, 06:27 PM
Should a poll be taken to find out what the public thinks the type and/or format a manual should be in?
MyDogsTale
Aug 5 2004, 09:36 PM
I would prefeer colour, but black and white would be just fine
Slaiv
Aug 6 2004, 12:56 AM
Colour. In ancient font. On ancient scroll-ish background, with burnt corners. The ancient, script [cursive] font would be in emerald green.
Those are just my ideas.
Shaidy
Aug 6 2004, 02:52 AM
One more vote for color!
It doesn't need to have a high amount of color on all pages but a little color does make a big difference in professional appearance
Radagast: Master of Hues
Aug 6 2004, 03:42 AM
I personally think that use of the font “Tolkien” (can be found at www.visionsfromthepalantiri.com/fonts.html ) would be good to use. (This may or may not be legal, it depends if the font creators let it be used in commercial applications)
I don’t have ideas for back round but I do have some ideas for content. First there should be a short article explaining the propose of the Memod written by the developers. Then followed by expiations of each race: history, statistics, and physical description. (Possibly a picture of each race). Then all modified original content of Morrowind. (For example: changes to an original Morrowind skill like Mercantile, few if any pictures.) Lastly, all the new a wonderful content explained in depth. (Most pictures should be here) Then a list of all those people involved in developing the mod. Anything like a bestiary, list of weapons and armour, list of items and herbs, or anything non-essential to basic game play should be in-game for realism and a shorter, more printer friendly manual.
Color is a must.
Wookiee
Aug 6 2004, 05:04 AM
im thinking coulor pdf can always just print in greyscale
UberBender
Aug 6 2004, 05:12 AM
Or you could make a text only version(for printing) and a high quality version(for presentation).
This way if people really wanted they could take the PDF to thier local Kinkos and print it high quality.
But if they don't want to spend that much money they can still have a hardcopy manual by printing the text only version.
Radagast: Master of Hues
Aug 6 2004, 05:39 AM
True, grayscale can be used as a last resort if need be. By disregarding a bestiary, list of weapons and armour, list of items and herbs, or any other list from the manual has two bonuses. One it leaves the player to explore Middle-earth and figure out what it contains, not so they can sit down with the manual and spoil the surprise of being whacked by a troll that they didn’t know existed until they read the manual. A far second: printer friendly. I’m sorry if it seemed that I placed great importance on printer friendly. It’s only an added bonus to me. A wonderful, full color manual is more important to me than how much ink, paper, or time it takes to print.
seregmegil
Aug 6 2004, 09:26 AM
I'll prefer a 2 pages manual with a big image because if it has a lot of text I'll have to translate it to spanish.
Jut joking and boring at work uU. Just showing how vague I'm now XD.
I like the A5 format like the videogames manuals ^^.
Well, you don't want to see what's behind, a lot of animals (read chickens, goats, etc. ), cakes, black leathered people, pffff. No, not nice
actrazr
Aug 6 2004, 05:03 PM
Hello, and greetings from the sunny north!
I an person who are VERY interested in Tolkiens works (and this mod). I haven't been active here though. Mostly stalking
I write here, to offer my knowledge in the language Danish, to translate the manual to Danish. I speak ALMOST fluently english, and fluenty Danish (of course).
I hope you will accept my appliance.
Now, my two cents about the manual. A version with B&W pictures, and colored things like border, would be perfect. And also a text-only, B&W version.
And regarding format, .pdf would be great.
UberBender
Aug 6 2004, 05:08 PM
You should probably submit an official application.
White Wolf
Aug 7 2004, 03:30 AM
| QUOTE (suzerain @ Aug 5 2004, 07:11 PM) |
| QUOTE (White Wolf @ Aug 5 2004, 05:16 PM) | , it should be done in colour in the form of pages for an A5 booklet (as in, same sort of idea as the manual in a retail game), and, if you really want to go all out, with screenshots, illustrations and the whole shebang.
Another thing is, if you decide that you will do a professional looking manual, that might another thing that impresses potential employers if you use MEMod as an example of your work. |
I was more thinking what sort of format would players be able to print it themselves?
I can easily have 32-page full colour gloss manuals desinged or printed, but that'd only be if it were distributed by retail - I need to know what player's preferred format for sothing they print and put together would be...
Suz.
|
What, not everyone has their very own printing factory????
Seriously, I reckon the best way to do a professional looking one would be to do it in pdf format as an A5 booklet, and set it up so that you can just print off the file on A4, fold the pages in half and bung a couple of staples through the fold. One advantage of this is that you can stick it inside the Morrowind box for safekeeping.
Slaiv
Aug 7 2004, 03:12 PM
Why does every-frickin'-one want BLACK AND WHITE!?!?!? B/W sucks. That's why we invented colour TV, colour printers, etc....
Anyway, I has an idea:
| QUOTE (Suzerain) |
| I can easily have 32-page full colour gloss manuals desinged or printed, but that'd only be if it were distributed by retail - I need to know what player's preferred format for sothing they print and put together would be... |
You could sell the manuals on the MEMod site. Since the manual would be your own intellectual property, there would be no problem with you selling it. That way you could make some money off the mod. Of course, problems could arise [I'm not a lwayer, so I'm not completely sure about the problem-free part.] You would not have the manuals printed until you had orders on them, so you wouldn't overstock...
I don't know how many people would buy it [I would], or how much it would cost to print and how much you would sell it for, but still....
It's an idea.
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