Yer i was wondering if anything was supposed to happen today? It's the 6/7 and well Suzerain said a couple of months ago that it was due about now because he said it was going to 7/6 but he got it the wrong way round. But theres been no mention of it at all. If it's been said somewhere else that it had been changed again or that this date was scrapped i'm sorry i never saw it. So dont flame me to much

I have read something like this in thiis short time i have been a member of the forums. Though i personally think that even if it would be great to get hands on this mod already or somekind of beta i mean. It would spoil the fun atleast little when u get the final version in your comp and cant wait to play it But hope some beta comes out eventually so maybe ill read it about here instead of seeing something that would take out of the final expirience

*Surprised a Dev hasn't come yet.*

Wait and see.

After failing two releasedates the team decided not to give another releasedate cause it's not good publicity if they wouldn't make it for a third time. I'm sure they will make an announcement a week or a few days before they will release Beta1. In other words don't expect anything. Let's just let them do their thing and sooner or later we will have our beta.

Right.

still suzerain said and they haven't mentioned anything. Lets wait and see what the devs have to say.

*also surprised a dev hasn't shown up*

And still no Dev!!!

*steps out of the secret Dev limousine, takes off his $1000 sunglasses and fur coat*

Sorry guys no release date today. However, maybe something will be happening soon .

Wait and see...

Something soon will happen...

*locks*

Edit-

*Changes his mind... No Flamming though*

Oh well was worth a try

But something is gonna happen!!!!! AWESOME!!!! Thank Iluvatar!!

dont you all sense the disturbance in the force?

As others have said, be agnostic, not faithful

Not yet.... I still need to get Bloodmoon.

Something's happening? The beta's being released? There can only be one explanation -


THE APOCALYPSE IS COMING! REPENT YE UNFAITHFUL SINNERS, AND BE SAVED!

something big this way comes...


but... then again....

Maybe we should start some kind of support group...

.... yes I too am a Memod addict. I thought I could handle it at first, but I was just fooling myself. It began with a few visits a day to get my fix, but then I started to really spend all my time here, captured by the prospect of what this game would mean. My job suffered, I barely noticed my girlfriend anymore and I rarely ventured outdoors. But thankfully before my life collapsed I gradually learned to limit my visits, not to expect too much, to learn the real nature of patience, to appreciate the effort and devotion of the memod team.

... I still have the odd lapse, but on the whole the rehabilitation is going well....

what about the big anouncement we were promised? Or did I read something wrong..?

... yer ... the excitement is overwhelming me ... I have come to respect the art of not expecting... anything...

So i guess that means there was no announcement yesterday and we got all excited for nuthin...AGAIN!!!!!!!! Crap..well maybe we could get another screen shot or footage of the thing being played??

Well, I don't know specifics but you should be getting SOMETHING soon... not saying what though.

The Beta will require Bloodmoon....You better go out and buy it soon .

SOON SOON SOON ...soon means nothing. soon can mean 5 minutes or 5 months ...you've proven countles times that you can't keep a release date...so now you people resort to saying "soon" and seeing as the beta is already 6 months late... i'm a little tired of the memod teamsters constantly trying to keep my hopes up and then letting them down...is it really that hard to just not say anythign at all? you missed yesterdays release date...fine i think most of us expected as much.... so just be quite...doesn't that make sence? i truly believe that this time ...like every other time you teamsters think this beta will come out out soon ...but as history shows..it never does...you guys are trying to be game designers...but you are so obsessed with perfection that nothing is ever released because its never good enough... this is way i've been saying all along that perfectionism is NOT a good quality in game design....theres wanting to make an amazing game and want to make the perfect game...there is no perfect game!...this is a 10X10 cell teaser beta thats been in the work for what? ...a year? how do you expect us to believe we'll ever see a 20,000 cell game ever when you can't complete a 100 cell island? i've given up expecting to ever play the MEMod about a year ago...as it wont be out for years if it comes out at all...and thats if you don't dump it as soon as you get the rights to the Xray engine....or do you really expect us to believe you're really going to sit there and work on morrowinds old engine with the power of the stalker engine right there for you. please just release the beta so i can be on my way i feel like i've been waiting a life time for a bloody island mod

WOW...i think you need to calm down. You know that you like everyone else here live off words like "soon". And hey maybe they do mean soon and you know that you are excited at the the very word. So get Bloodmoon if you dont have it, get everything installed and ready and just wait. I have a feeling this time that the teamsters have something up their sleeves...hopefully.

Man, ImmortalSnafu should not have said soon. i'm getting restless. I hope they reply soon...Devs...anyone...

no, DMKW has reason to rant, so does everyone else, but don't rant to the team in general because only about 2 of the devs are responsible for releasing information, screens, betas, etc. The rest of us are just work horses. The teamsters and anyone else besides Suzerain or Theta pretty much can't and should not say anything about release dates because we frankly have no idea. Were not running this operation well, and thats obvious to us. Were trying to get the team running again now that Daerk has been gone for quite some time. As you can see from the application forums, we've been searching around for more people to speed up production. And believe me if i could release screens I would, and everyone could see the concept work and models being completed, much more so than before, but don't direct anger towards the team, because most of us can't do anything about mod info.

And remember that half of the team isn't supported by their parents, and most of the other half is about 16 and working either for their parents or minimum wage somewhere else. We have activities like music, sports, etc, and were all trying to live our lives while doing this mod as well.

Kfm is right.

We are not payed to do this... If someone is given an important task and doesnt do it it slows down production and we cant do a damned thing about it.

Ill try to get more screens released and maybe a few extra things.

Well i certainly hope that the only problem is to get organized....that nothing else aint wrong with the team. because i really wanna see this mod in its final version someday........good luck in the future...

DMKW you sound like a spoiled little kid, I don't know how old you are and what the problem is with you. I know they missed two releasedates but I never had the feeling like you have, there are much more important things in life then a mod. You'll know that soon enough when you have to support yourself. When something as ambitious as memod gets planned you're bound to get delays. Even proffesional game developers run into unexpected delays, and they get paid a salary so that they can work on their game fulltime.

I've been following this mod for nearly a year now, I'm not a very active poster but I check these forums almost everyday. I have great appreciation for modders because they make the game I paid for worth every penny. Besides that the devs of memod consider this a tribute to Tolkien, wouldn't you as a Tokinite want to make a perfect as possible product?

I fully understand why some people are disappointed with not meeting the releasedate, not even to mention the devs themselves. But always remember that you can hardly complain about something you will get for free.

I fully understand your disappointment but I don't respect the way you express it. Just like you don't owe the devs anything, they don't owe you anything either.

do you agree with my point or not?

Yes I agree with your point on the part of not telling any release dates if they can't be sure if they make it, but you could put it in another way like someone already mentioned.

I agree with DMKW and this is why - at the MeMod Website its says

I'm refusing to read your posts, DKMW, since you aren't using paragraphs! Please use paragraphs, makes my reading a lot easier and makes your arguments seem a little more formulated and...mature.

Thanks.

oh course i could post happier positive posts about this subject ...and i have but were still getting release dates... haha imagine that. just understand that sometimes...especially on this forum...a bluntness get attention. as you can see i'm already getting yours.

edit: posts edited for old man darky

Patience is the mother of science.

Be patient, everything comes.

Surprises are more delightful if you've had to wait for them.

*closes his book of sayings*

Damned book, I've had to made all of those up myself!

DMKW, we all want to see the beta out asap. It's not just you and the general community that is waiting for this. I would argue that as a teamster (now) I am waiting for the beta release even more feverishly than I was when I wasn't a teasmter.

As for your comment about saying "soon" too many times. Have you followed many games being developed? I have. From Diablo II to WWIIOL to SWG all the way to the newest games under development now. You know what's common amogst all of their production notes and progress reports? The word "soon". Even though I knew why they say "soon" so much back then, now I really understand it. We say "soon" for the exact reason that you wanted us to stop giving release dates and not keeping them. We say "soon" so that we don't back ourselves into a corner and then have to tell you: "so sorry, but we have to push back the date another month".

I completely understand your enthusiasm and frustration at how long it is taking for the mod to be released but you're not making things any easier for us by venting like this. You arn't saying anything that we don't know already or that isn't public knowledge and all it does is make everyone working on the mod irritable and lose focus.

You say "Don't give us release dates because you never meet them" but then in the same breath you say "don't tell me 'soon' either". SO what do you want exactly? I knwo that if we didn't say anything at all you'd complain that we wern't keeping you informed.

To conclude, I would just like to say that personally I would love to be able to give you a working beta right this very moment as would all the members working on the mod. When I got accepted into MEMod as a teamster just a while ago I came into it right as the team was recovering from a shaky period where things weren't going as well as they wanted them to. I can tell you though that things are going as fast as I could hope for. Everyone is doing a lot of work and we have very clear goals set for us at the moment. So when I say "soon" to you please understand that it's not because we arn't working on things but rather that we are trying not to make promises we can't keep.

you can do two things with Memod ATM...
wait for it..
or
help making it..

well
and being a teamster DOES mean that we cant release any info on memod...but it DOESNT mean that we are not doing anything (even if devs are working 5 times more than us)...thats why i get a bit angry when i got Pms with questions like "what do teamsters do?"...

ok i'll be clearer about what i think the best solution will be. as some people know here i'm horrible at explaining things and my posts are always taken differently by different people which sometimes gets me in trouble

i did say don't give out release dates...and i did say don't say "soon". and i also said keep us informed...which now that i read sounds stupid to even me...but what i meant by this is...

again don't give release dates or say soon....but keep us updated on progress...like if wookie is having trouble on a script and you still have to finish with a certain building texture...but thats it and the mod will be complete. thats what i'd like...its not revealing to much..its just a progress report. many people expected it today. and you guys expected to release it. which means it has to be pretty much done unless you were way off target right? well thats what most people would think. but then again we thought the same thing on january 1st. which was of course half a year ago

months passed and nothign was said about the beta...so i bugged daerk and he confessed that the betas release was no longer top priority anymore so many of us felt stupid sitting here checking forums multiple times a day thinking the beta was coming out any day now ...i mean how couldn't it? it had been months since the first missed release date....but only a few were even still working on it. many people felt betrayed...i mean like were just nobodies and keeping your promise to get us this beta out ASAP after letting us down in january wasn't worth the time anymore...and nobody outside the team had any clue about this. if someone had informed us that it wouldn't be priority anymore ...sure there would have been a lot of angry people ..but you would have at least saved us the time of constantly haunting the forums with excitement.

if i haven't goten the beta by august i'm going to feel let down again because to me "soon" means within the month...to someone else it could mean tonight or tomorrow ..and they'll be let down then. soon is just another release date...i know its vague but that can be even worse. and to say "soon " the same day of the missed beta like we are just supposed to jump to that release date now...frustrated me...like miss one ..oh well give another one for them to get excited about. you guys are all obssesed with secrets and suprises...but you can't keep secret the one thing that always puts this forum in a flame war...and thats the release date of the beta.

so ok i was let down again yesterday ...i've accepted that...but i think its only fair that you at least tell me why. i know you don't owe it to me ...but as a fan whos been here since the begining it would be a nice gesture.

p.s. i know only a few have the authority to release info so the parts of this post requesting info is directed at them.

I think not releasing info about the progress is a good way because releasing a % or something like this and not complete it it's the same than releasing a date and not keeping it.

DMKW, can you say what you would gain if I say:
I've translated 100 lines of a text that you will not know about what is because it will say something about the timeline of the mod.

Don't take this post as a ofense but my english it's not good enough (at 10:00 AM and I've sleeped bad ) to say what I want well.

What I don't like of your posts is the way you say what you think (what happens to me too) and that you post and post and post and post about the same every time we fail instead of trying to understand that something was bad measured.

I work as a programer for a little enterprise and the major problem we have is that ALWAIS we are late delivering the products because it's very (VERY) hard to measure something were the creativy has the major part of the workload (yes, programing is an art not a technic (sp)).

If you think that the CA, the models, the textures, the scripts are all creative works, try to think what time you'll need to complete a final model.

How can you measure what time is needed to have enough CA's to make the modelers model a serie of models that represents the CA.

How can you measure what time is needed to have a model that it's good, represents the CA and haves a low polycount.

How can you measure what time is needed to have a texture that fits with the model and make it look great.

And I'm not talking about perfection, only about quality.


Please tell me what you think now. If it's the same, then your comments have nosense to me and I'll understand that you have not worked in any enterprise where the creative part is an important part. I want to say that work in a supermarket will not show anyone what I want to say.

Maybe your app has gone too down in the page to see it.

Or maybe they don't need to translate anything now and they will call you when the translation work will start.

I would imagine you haven't been accepted because there hasn't been any work being done on translation of any kind. Once work begins on that, you'll probably have an entirely different answer.

And as for the deadline issue... the problem is, MEMod is an entirely volunteer project. We can't make accurate deadlines for the simple reason that nobody's working on a predictable schedule. I mean, as much as I'd like to make MEMod a full time job, I have bills to pay and it takes a distant second priority to my job. So I haven't done any work for MEMod in a long time.. but give me a long weekend or something, and I could get a lot of stuff done. And I imagine the rest of the team is the same... if we can't even know when people are working, how can we make accurate deadlines?

And DMKW, if you're so concerned about the beta being released soon, where's your application? Even if you've got no other skills at all, you could at least apply for a PR spot to replace the person who left for the summer.

I'm writting here in my work place... tssss bosses

/me runs to Dreamweaver

And I study informatics at evenings mon to fri, and in saturdays I've been studing english (now I've passed my FIRST exam ^^).

EDIT: And when arrive at home I do web sites as a freelancer XD.

mm, from where I get the time for the mod ¿oO?

Everybody happy!? No..? Oh...

Please look at what rizzen has quoted, the same thing I have quoted a couple of times (some even got deleted as the usual 'spam' or 'trolling'). What happened!? I remember Suzerain answering this, but forgive me, I think I forgot the answer. Something about perfectionism?

OK, so Suzerain took steps to improve the... er... I forgot (this makes it sounds stupid...) and release a screen every week. You kept that up for... a week? 5 screens were released, after that, silence.

And what about the site?