Full Version: Beta or Something??
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| i want them to not even make the beta as it is taking too much time away from the final. |
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| While the Beta will take away time from the final |
*explodes in exasperation*
Did anybody read my post?! The Demo IS part of Memod final. It is part of the mod. It depicts part of a single geographic area that will be included in the final version. How is this not clear?! I knew this before I joined the team. I can't believe people haven't got this yet - we are not only working on a self contained demo, everything in the forthcoming release will be MeMod Final content. Thats why its a demo. As I stated above, to do so would be madness. So: No, it is not taking time away from MeMod final. *sigh*
Sorry if that sounded angry, just slightly annoyed clearly no-one paid the slightest bit of attention to my lengthly post, which was intended to clear things like this up. This was the first thing I stated in that post, and the reason I initially made it.
Ember.
Not making this demo/beta is like assembling a car by hands and messing up in the start and noticing it in the end and having to take it apart to correct that one fatal mistake......Another of my own views 
I know i said i would not post again but i feel i have one last thing that needs to be said
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| It gauges the public's reaction, lets the public have an idea of what the mod will be like, shows off the Dev's creativity, and allows a more widespread debug test |
but its not made for the public, as said by daerk and others, or IS it made for the public as said by others? im getting mixed signals here and its confusing 
and if it is just a tribute and not for the public then every person in the public who has ever made a suggetsion should feel as the have been stolen from. like me i sent suzerain a link to a webpage [removed link that constiuted a breach of the ToS, Morgoth] that has plenty of middle earth info and diddnt get any reply not a thank you not a im sorry but we dont need this nothing to me that was very rude
and if it is just a tribute and not for the public then every person in the public who has ever made a suggetsion should feel as the have been stolen from. like me i sent suzerain a link to a webpage [removed link that constiuted a breach of the ToS, Morgoth] that has plenty of middle earth info and diddnt get any reply not a thank you not a im sorry but we dont need this nothing to me that was very rude| QUOTE |
| The Demo IS part of Memod final. It is part of the mod. It depicts part of a single geographic area that will be included in the final version. How is this not clear?! |
but doesnt the beta have a morrowind dependancy? I sure hope that the final doesnt or else it will take a long time to get rid of that morrowind dependency and take out every model since the final is supposed to have NO models from morrowind. will the betas landmass be in the same position on the grid as it will be in the final? will saves be compaiable as lots of mods betas are? again mixed signals
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| Sorry if that sounded angry |
thats okay every deserves to state and form their own opinion
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| we won't be taken away from our homes by the ASPCA/Child Care if we are neglected. |
thank god for that slaiv lol
*deep breath*
Rizzen. Most of your questions regarding the Demos release can be answered with some inventive use of the search function. In the spirit of this conversation, let me save you the trouble.
1. Yes, the Demo is part of the morrowind universe. The reason for this is so that the players can experience the benefits of Wookies scripts in a functional game enviroment, and get some sense of how they will work dynamically within the game.
2. The actual layout / city depicted in the Demo may or may not be in the Morrowind Final, you'll have to wait and see. What will definitely be reused is every model and design produced for that culture.
3. Of course the final is Morrowind dependant, as it uses the game engine. Daerk and others have made it abundantly clear that a blank ESM has already been created for the MeMod Final, which is what most of the first year of development was spent on. Do you honestly think that after 2-3 years of development and design by professionals that these issues would not have already been considered and overcome?
4. Again, the devs have stated that all comments and criticism by the public are appreciated and considered. This is a community project.
Rizzen. Most of your questions regarding the Demos release can be answered with some inventive use of the search function. In the spirit of this conversation, let me save you the trouble.
1. Yes, the Demo is part of the morrowind universe. The reason for this is so that the players can experience the benefits of Wookies scripts in a functional game enviroment, and get some sense of how they will work dynamically within the game.
2. The actual layout / city depicted in the Demo may or may not be in the Morrowind Final, you'll have to wait and see. What will definitely be reused is every model and design produced for that culture.
3. Of course the final is Morrowind dependant, as it uses the game engine. Daerk and others have made it abundantly clear that a blank ESM has already been created for the MeMod Final, which is what most of the first year of development was spent on. Do you honestly think that after 2-3 years of development and design by professionals that these issues would not have already been considered and overcome?
4. Again, the devs have stated that all comments and criticism by the public are appreciated and considered. This is a community project.
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| nothing to me that was very rude |
On the contrary, I'm positively offended by many of the assumptions you've made about the team and the project in general, please take the effort to inform yourself more fully in the future. ALL of the information I'm giving here I knew before even joining the mod.
Ember.
Edit - also, posting links to pirate sites is not permitted on the forums. None of the material on that site is canonical in reference, and much of the team is aware of the MERP system and its campaign setting. Suz has got alot on his plate and would not intentionally offend you, I'm sure.
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| im getting mixed signals here and its confusing and if it is just a tribute and not for the public then every person in the public who has ever made a suggetsion should feel as the have been stolen from. |
MEMod is both a tribute to the works of Tolkien and a mod for the enjoyment of the public.
I think the whole discussion is being pulled away form the issue that was raise. It has absolutely NOTHING to do with demanding the beta or faster developement on it or that the devs owe anyone anything. At least (except for rizzen), I've never seen anyone imply that they are owed anything. So now people can quit giving that as their arguement. Understand what is being said before rebutel(sp?)
It has EVERYTHING to do with past misinformation and disapointments which after a while snowballs into sceptisism for those who have been here for more than a year and arn't privlaged to the inner circle info. And Give me one good reason why we shouldn't we be sceptical? If you can come up with one then I'll give you 20 why I should.
Do I resent the team or any of its members? NO
Am I anti-MEmod for being careful about taking in what I'm told? NO
Do I want MEmod to succeed? YES
Do I expect to ever play it? Mmm.... how could I have an answer ot this?
IF we don't ever see it, then would I have waisted a lot of time here that I otherwise wouldn't have, had I not been mislead? YES
And that is what I fear, ever since Daerk went away I've woundered how MEmod would survive w/o his guidence. And don't get me wrong Suz, I believe your capable, but somehow D's cold snappy swagger was reasuring
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So come on, don't feed me this bull about how I'm a lesser fan than you because I'm questioning more. That bugs me as much as someone saying I'm unpatriotic because I hate G.W. Bush. I'll bet I'm more patriotic that them, I just don't need to wave a flag to prove it.
PEACE
It has EVERYTHING to do with past misinformation and disapointments which after a while snowballs into sceptisism for those who have been here for more than a year and arn't privlaged to the inner circle info. And Give me one good reason why we shouldn't we be sceptical? If you can come up with one then I'll give you 20 why I should.
Do I resent the team or any of its members? NO
Am I anti-MEmod for being careful about taking in what I'm told? NO
Do I want MEmod to succeed? YES
Do I expect to ever play it? Mmm.... how could I have an answer ot this?
IF we don't ever see it, then would I have waisted a lot of time here that I otherwise wouldn't have, had I not been mislead? YES
And that is what I fear, ever since Daerk went away I've woundered how MEmod would survive w/o his guidence. And don't get me wrong Suz, I believe your capable, but somehow D's cold snappy swagger was reasuring
.So come on, don't feed me this bull about how I'm a lesser fan than you because I'm questioning more. That bugs me as much as someone saying I'm unpatriotic because I hate G.W. Bush. I'll bet I'm more patriotic that them, I just don't need to wave a flag to prove it.
PEACE
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but its not made for the public, as said by daerk and others, or IS it made for the public as said by others? |
Right, just to confuse you more - both.
I'll explain. It is being made as a tribute to Tolkien and his works, which means that they have pretty strict criteria for inclusion of ideas. This means a lot of the ideas that the general action-seeking gaming public would have (ie 'make us able to kill Sauron' or 'let us find the One Ring') would change the timeline set out by Tolkien, so would be disregarded. However, what good's a tribute if no-one sees it/plays it/whatever? Not much. This means that, whilst this mod is really only suitable for a niche market (though that niche seems to be growing all the time), the devs do want feedback from that niche market in order to make this mod as good as possible.
This is also why they have a website and forum, etc - so that this tribute would become known to as many people as possible in order to get as many people who like it as possible playing it.
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I think the whole discussion is being pulled away form the issue that was raise. It has absolutely NOTHING to do with demanding the beta or faster developement on it or that the devs owe anyone anything. At least (except for rizzen), I've never seen anyone imply that they are owed anything. So now people can quit giving that as their arguement. Understand what is being said before rebutel(sp?) |
Sorry Cailwyn, my comments were pretty much only directed at Rizzen, as I felt a few statements needed to be corrected.
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| It has EVERYTHING to do with past misinformation and disapointments which after a while snowballs into sceptisism for those who have been here for more than a year and arn't privlaged to the inner circle info. And Give me one good reason why we shouldn't we be sceptical? If you can come up with one then I'll give you 20 why I should. |
As a relatively recent member of the team and a long time fan/ follower of the mod, I can certainly understand your fustration towards what has been said and promised previously. Personally I think the release of the demo will suprise and excite everyone - MeMod will feel like a moving project again, and everybody can have a look and whats been going on in development. The upcoming release is important for me primarily to show some evidence that the project's alive and kicking, and will generate a whole new wave of interest when people can see that we're serious.
All we can do at the moment is ask people to be patient, and reassure you that work is taking place at a near constant rate (as far as my limited teamster eyes can see). I know this is what everyones been hearing for the last few months, and people are getting sick of it... thats the way it is at the moment unfortunantly.
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| And that is what I fear, ever since Daerk went away I've woundered how MEmod would survive w/o his guidence. And don't get me wrong Suz, I believe your capable, but somehow D's cold snappy swagger was reasuring . |
I can't really comment on Daerk's absence, but this project (as has been stated before) is the work of a collective, and induvidual leadership is not wholly attributable to Dev status. I'm inspired to produce art regularly because of the wonderful work that comes out of it, not because Daerk's here or not.
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Do I expect to ever play it? Mmm.... how could I have an answer ot this? IF we don't ever see it, then would I have waisted a lot of time here that I otherwise wouldn't have, had I not been mislead? YES |
I can't answer the first question, and neither can anybody else on the team. I very much want to play it. I also believe its possible, and I think that the Team will get many more applicants after the demo has actually been released and people realise what could be.
The second question is entirely down to you, and what you get out of this community. If your personal enjoyment of these forums hinges on a MeMod release, why not come back fours times a year or so and check up on everything? Alternatively, join up and help out.
Ember.
Thanks for clearing all that up. I think we needed that. After hearing that, I suddenly get the feeling that everything will work out.... 
Just a little idea that came up to me in these late/early hours .......5.31 AM ....very sick again 
Well onto the idea. As many want some proof of the progress or eyecandy...like screenshots...pics of models....textures maybe.....etc....i can understand why u might keep those out from the public BUT i thought would it be possible to perhaps realease some figures out for the public. (meaning numbers) How many new models/CA pics/how much landscapind/scripting/ and lines(for example) of dialog were done in lets say a week or two?
They would only describe the amount of work u have done at that time and give some clue to the community and others....maybe to guest on the forums searching for more info. These "revealings" wouldnt tell anything about the MEMOD......give away the story....races that r playable.....all the general stuff thats been talked for ages already.I think this might be a fair compromise...if u wanna make one....
And if it needed to be more precise......u could add: "This week we modelled a big town/city that took all our effort for this week so no other things were made" or something like that.....since i really dont have a clue how much you are able to produce in a week or two.But i guess u have a knack at it already
Well if any DEV or someone in a leading part of this project would answer this it would be nice.....Now im of to sleep finally...Dragon out
Well onto the idea. As many want some proof of the progress or eyecandy...like screenshots...pics of models....textures maybe.....etc....i can understand why u might keep those out from the public BUT i thought would it be possible to perhaps realease some figures out for the public. (meaning numbers) How many new models/CA pics/how much landscapind/scripting/ and lines(for example) of dialog were done in lets say a week or two?
They would only describe the amount of work u have done at that time and give some clue to the community and others....maybe to guest on the forums searching for more info. These "revealings" wouldnt tell anything about the MEMOD......give away the story....races that r playable.....all the general stuff thats been talked for ages already.I think this might be a fair compromise...if u wanna make one....
And if it needed to be more precise......u could add: "This week we modelled a big town/city that took all our effort for this week so no other things were made" or something like that.....since i really dont have a clue how much you are able to produce in a week or two.But i guess u have a knack at it already
Well if any DEV or someone in a leading part of this project would answer this it would be nice.....Now im of to sleep finally...Dragon out
sounds like you are talking about a developement log...something i've been asking for forever so we can follow the progress...but daerk has already said he wont be releasing anything like that. i personally still just want to know what stoped the beta from coming out yet again.
Maybe it's still in production DMKW...
If thats the big surprise... I'm gonna go hang the cat...
Maybe a reason they dont do a development log is because they dont know when it will be finnished. I mean usually you can look at your work and say this'll take me what ever amount of time.
But Memod is different they never have constant work on it, because people do it when they can and thats one of the reasons it's taking so lon to make and come out i guess. So in a way i think the progression thing would be good but in the same way it would be bad. because people would be continously saying why hasn't this certain area been worked on for time time and why aren't you people progressing fast enough and so on.
p.s. see you all later, i'm jetting off to greece for 10 days hopefully beta will be out by then but if not, hey. Gonna have a lot of reading to do when i get back, bye all.
But Memod is different they never have constant work on it, because people do it when they can and thats one of the reasons it's taking so lon to make and come out i guess. So in a way i think the progression thing would be good but in the same way it would be bad. because people would be continously saying why hasn't this certain area been worked on for time time and why aren't you people progressing fast enough and so on.
p.s. see you all later, i'm jetting off to greece for 10 days hopefully beta will be out by then but if not, hey. Gonna have a lot of reading to do when i get back, bye all.
TheDragonFire: That might sound sensible on first sight, but is not really feasible. Development tends to not take place on a constant rate, but with alternating productivity, and I can imagine that some people (not anyone posting here atm, but I'm cure there are such people) would start trolling on the fora when we put up a note like "Nothing really worth talking about this week, a bit concept art, some models."
Additionally, pure numbers would tell you nothing. If we said, for example, "This week we have finished 15 models." What would this tell you? You do not know how many models we will eventually need (neither do we, we have only rough estimations on what will be needed), so there is absolutely no use to that information.
And rizzen, I don't see exactly where the rudeness you object is. Firstly, not only is the promotion of illegal activities as you have done forbidden by the ToS, but it is also clearly stated on our website:
Additionally, pure numbers would tell you nothing. If we said, for example, "This week we have finished 15 models." What would this tell you? You do not know how many models we will eventually need (neither do we, we have only rough estimations on what will be needed), so there is absolutely no use to that information.
And rizzen, I don't see exactly where the rudeness you object is. Firstly, not only is the promotion of illegal activities as you have done forbidden by the ToS, but it is also clearly stated on our website:
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Are you planning on using any of the extra-canonical literature (meaning MERPS or some of the new stuff) as background and filler? -- Presently it's not planned to use those systems/histories, but to maintain canonical references. |
Additionally, you can only vaguely imagine how the inbox/mail account of the MEMod Lead is being flooded, so it would require massive amounts of time if Suze really wanted to answer every single one of them - which would again mean less time spent on the actual mod on his side, although you are complaining already that we should spend more time on the mod.
Yup......i can understand your points. This was merely an idea from me. And as I thought of this at so late hours i probably didnt think of all the things that related to it.I just hope there would be some "middle road" that u could find so there would be atleast some updates besides the betas etc........well guess ill have to wait and see
PS. Maybe u could realease some of those figures from time to time when it seems to be the best moment for it. And for the ppl causing problems here on the forums. Theres always gonna be ppl like that no matter what i guess.....everyone cant be pleased.
PS. Maybe u could realease some of those figures from time to time when it seems to be the best moment for it. And for the ppl causing problems here on the forums. Theres always gonna be ppl like that no matter what i guess.....everyone cant be pleased.
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| If thats the big surprise... I'm gonna go hang the cat... |
Not the cat!
What where you talking about? What did you think the "big surprise" was in this thread?
Right on, Ember, at last some posts so clear that it ought to make people understand.
After reading these six pages I felt like deja-vu everytime I went to a new page: People arguing using the same points over and over again and devs/teamsters trying to defend themselves. Kind of sad, actually.
On another subject, I don't really understand why the long-timers are so frustrated. I've been following this mod for as long a time as you have, and still I'm waiting. Of course one is disappointed when a release time isn't met but some (not all) of the remarks from some members are out of order, I think. One thing is to ask for changes, news. etc. but I fully understand that Ember are offended by some posts in this thread, where the team members almost are attacked for actually trying to make this mod for us.
Well, the end of my ramblings, this was it.
pharzon..
After reading these six pages I felt like deja-vu everytime I went to a new page: People arguing using the same points over and over again and devs/teamsters trying to defend themselves. Kind of sad, actually.
On another subject, I don't really understand why the long-timers are so frustrated. I've been following this mod for as long a time as you have, and still I'm waiting. Of course one is disappointed when a release time isn't met but some (not all) of the remarks from some members are out of order, I think. One thing is to ask for changes, news. etc. but I fully understand that Ember are offended by some posts in this thread, where the team members almost are attacked for actually trying to make this mod for us.
Well, the end of my ramblings, this was it.
pharzon..
Let me just restate something earlier said by a dev - do you really think that the Devs should stop making the mod?
No. Of course not. So hold tight. It'll come.
No. Of course not. So hold tight. It'll come.
| QUOTE (Slaiv @ Jul 17 2004, 10:27 AM) |
| Let me just restate something earlier said by a dev - do you really think that the Devs should stop making the mod? No. Of course not. So hold tight. It'll come. |
hmmm... maybe, TES 4 coming out at the end of this year (as stated at gamershell and IGN). maybe beggining of next year... we can only hope that it can be ported!
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Whatever.
Whatever.
Not to be rude, but...
Seriously, who cares?
It comes when it comes, the team does what it does and things happen as they happen. When have you EVER seen things change in huge games (since let's face it, it's basically like having a game being produced) of this proportion because there's been nagging about it by a few fans?
Just let it happen, people (that are complaining), seriously... you're not making any difference.
Seriously, who cares?
It comes when it comes, the team does what it does and things happen as they happen. When have you EVER seen things change in huge games (since let's face it, it's basically like having a game being produced) of this proportion because there's been nagging about it by a few fans?
Just let it happen, people (that are complaining), seriously... you're not making any difference.
Exactly. As has been stated numerous times, just chill out and wait.
Or something will be released shortly. Please standby for the beta.
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| hmmm... maybe, TES 4 coming out at the end of this year (as stated at gamershell and IGN). maybe beggining of next year... we can only hope that it can be ported! |
Which articles on those sites tell of TES4's release? I'm doubtful that an unannouncced game would be released on only a few months...If I were you I'd be expecting a '06 release for TES4.
I'd be expecting it around Q4 2005. In time for the holidays.
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