I mean, on Bethesda's site they say it took almost 100 man-years to make Morrowind. Now I know they had to make the TESCS from scratch, but still - they're a company working for pay, doing it professionally. MEMod is only 60% done....it wont be finished for years. By the time it comes out, the graphics, gameplay, etc will seem so dated and old. How many people (like me, who have been interested in MEMod for awhile) will still be interested in Morrowind or impressed with a mod (albeit a Middle-earth mod) for Morrowind in 2006? Fable, KOTOR II and other rpgs that will blow away Morrowind are coming soon. Bethsoft has started hiring new people to work on a big project - it has to be Elder Scrolls 4. You'll release a mod for TES3 at the same time TES4 comes out?? I've been checking MEMod since I got Morrowind in 2002 ..... I know I'll want to see your mod when its done just bc it's Tolkien and Middle-earth and all, but I cant but worry that your goal to design middle-earth is just too ambitious and will take too long. Now i go cry.

Well this is in totally the wrong forum isn't it

I can't deny however, the prospect of MEMod being finished before the coming of Jesus is starting to look less and less likely to me. No offense guys. I think it's great you're just attempting it! ^^

I'll throw this one over to the devs and let you guys talk this out/lock it moving...

100 man years' = 10 years for 10 men or 7 years with breaks for 35 men (bethesda)

we arnt making the construction or tailoring the net emerse engin to our specifics but yes it does is and will take us a while...

having said as much i still enjoy playing daggerfall with its outdated graphix... its late I have no real point.

Graphics become dated, gameplay never does. Just as Wookiee, I love to play the classic games...games that have "gone out of date" 20 years ago. The quality and stunning scale of MEMod is what will make it worth playing, whether it is released in 1 year or 10.

And besides, what's the use of releasing it NOW if 95% of us won't have the hardware to run it properly? I'd rather play a smooth MeMod in 2006 than a horrendously laggy one today!

Yes, absolutely, graphics isn't the thing which matters, story and gameplay are. So I still enjoy games like BG 1 + 2 or Arcanum and of course Planescape. I'll have to buy Daggerfall someday...

How does he know that Memod is 60% done? Anyway, although the netimmerse engine is getting more and more outdated every day, I believe the devs will create a beautiful game! Just look at the screens provided, they are STUNNING!

I wont deny that this mod is absolutely enormous. Nor will I deny that sometimes I get impatient with the progress of the mod also. That's not to say (now that i'm a teamster) that no one is working on the mod, nor is it to say that there is anyone working on the mod who thinks that we won't finish eventually. It is, however, to say that this is going to take a lot of work from everyone involved to complete.

Just how long is anyones guess at this point though. Middle Earth is huge, and as a 3d modeler I can tell you that there are just a rediculously large amount of items for everyone to model. Every day we get closer though and believe me when the game comes out it will be well worth the wait. Morrowind is dated, but if you get a good mod for it that updates the graphics just a little bit you can make the game look 10 times better. MEMod is going to make morrowind look 100 times better though

Look, this may seem like were just working on a mod for the tolkien and the public, but the underlying truth to why were doing this is because were able to enjoy ourselves in designing video games, while gaining more experience in our field that were associated in, be it concept art, modelling, writing, scripting, texturing, or world building. Every concept pieces I submit improves my drawing, every model made improves that modellers skill with modelling. We see this as an experience that is a once in a lifetime opportunity to design a wonderful world while having a wonderful time. I can't speak for everyone, and theres an infinite amount of reasons why were designing this immense mod, and too many of those reasons can not be put into words.

Even if it turned out poorly, we would always have that experience of the development process, and this experience isnt just about finishing the project! By going through this process the team has truly grown into a family of members that care for eachother and their work. We're gaining friends and work experience, while having fun. How many life opportunities involve all those at once? This is something (kind of like bungee jumping) that I would like to experience before death takes me. Were just enriching our lives with what we enjoy.

the only thing that bugs me about the morrowind engine is the lame view distance. even if you ememinate the fog...the cells are just to small.

One thing though, how do u know that MEMOD is only 60% done, have u seen how long it has said that for how do you know it is still accurate. Also do you believe that it will take another year and a half to complete this mod. I for one am just waiting for another two days, the estimated release date of beta 1. Yes i haven't forgotten remember Suzerian saying ages ago about 7/6 and then he changed it to the 6/7 well thats two days away. Lets just wait and see shall we.

Rascallion, I think you're right. Perhapse we should abandon this futile mission and never work on such an incredible endeavor ever again. It would be so much easier to admit that, yes, this is a massive undertaking and say, "to hell with it". But we're not going to do that, noo! We're much too stubborn. I'm sorry Rascallion, but it just isn't going to happen.

Just for some kind of a reference as to when we should start peeing ourselves, maybe you(devs) could let us in on how long a percent takes to complete(roughest estamate); a day, a week, a month, maby a really inspired hour? And ya, Rascallion that 60% has been there ever since I first saw that sight like a LONG time ago.

B.T.W. Welcome to the forums man!!

PEACE

We're currently undergoing some design procedure changes that we hope will greatly boost productivity. I must admit that we hit a snag along the way, but things should start speeding up relatively soon.

There is no way of giving even a rough idea of how long it takes to complete "a percent". Why don't YOU try creating all of Middle-Earth and see how far you get.

I think that you should be content with the fact that things are indeed getting done and we are all very enthusiastic about our work.

KOTOR = lame

(insert flame here)

Crap..Crap.. and even more Crap...
who cares how can we expect Memod to succeed???
or you want us to stop it?yes or no thats just stupid, cause we will make it either way...
Memod will rule and be immortal

AARRRR!! Blasphemy!! That's all this topic is! Blasphemy!

KOTOR was ok, not as good as Morrowind or Neverwinter Nights though

I don't think you can really compare KOTOR with Morrowind. They are both in the RPG genre, but are nothing alike.

Hi,

I've been silently following Memod for quite a while now, so I'd like to share my oppinion on this.

I don't think it will look dated in a year or so. First, I don't think there has ever been an attempt to create such a huge world in a game so far. This alone will make it worth playing. And nobody has been able to explore Middle-Earth in such a way before.

Second, the visual quality does not depend on the latest effects alone, but is also determined by the work and imagination of the artists - which is why I believe Memod will look fantastic, even if it comes out in a year. It may look a bit dated to the hardcore gamers because it is lacking some effects, but I believe it will still be jaw-dropping awesome. This has been confirmed by the artwork and screenshots I've seen so far.

Thirdly, even if a new version of the Morrowind engine comes out before I do believe that with some work it will be possible to convert the mod and use the features that really improve visual quality. At least the models should be reusable, as well as most of the skripts. The main improvement I'd expect, would be better grass and plants (this would definitely rule!!) Where I'd also expect improvements, would be the shaders (lighting, shadows, bumpmapping...) and maybe the particle effects and water effects. But I think this is a point to be worried about after the new version of the engine is relesed. And besides, there's also the plan to convert to the X-Ray engine after the mod is completed...

I want to encourage the Memod team to keep up the good work and wish all the team good luck in this.

--- Elubie

Hey everyone,
Like Elubie, I've been following the mod silently. I stumbled onto this forum last year, and waited until December 17th for the mod to come out. It didn't . I shrugged it off, and waited.. And waited... and waited some more, checked the forum to see if the mod was out. It wasn't (LOL). Sure, there was some disappointment in the good deal of delays, but the teamsters are doing an awful great job for doing all that work for free. I don't mind if this mod takes a few more years to develop.
So all you people who keep saying "When will the mod be released????" Shut up. The teamsters are doing all they can with a great amount of care to get ths mod completed.

Good luck with the mod guys

***Cough*Suckup*Cough***

Anyway, I agree. Graphics are not everything. In fact, they are pretty much nothing. Take all the old SNES RPGs, and old Playstation I RPGs. Chrono Trigger, FFVI, FFVII, etc...

To that nice list i would add Vagrant Story for PS1 that i loved but it never got a sequal....atleast to my knowledge Played it trough 11 times to the point where the Final boss couldnt hit me and i could co take a cup of coffee in the middle of the match if i liked But enough of offtopic blaa blaa

These just prove that graphics aren't anything.

Well, they arn't "nothing" either. Have you played FarCry? It's worth taking a look at just for the graphics alone. The game is alright as far as a plot and gameplay also but the graphics are what really make the game worth playing. However, you can also look at a game like Morrowind whose graphics are (now at least) dated but whose gameplay just can't be beat and you could say that Morrowind is easily one of the best games out even today. You are correct that in the long run it's the gameplay that will keep a game alive past a 1 year mark though That's why MEMod is going to be a jaw-dropper when it comes out even though it's being made on a slightly dated engine.

i luved seiken densetsu
and the 1-3 FF's
but my personal favourite is still FF VII
did it at least 7 times ^^

I'm going to emerge from lurking and echo everyone saying graphics are not important in the long haul. I still play the old sierra King's Quest games and the original Monkey Island games simply because their gameplay is ten times better than most of the modern dravel that is being produced today.

I don't care when MeMod comes out. It could come out 10 years from now and I'd still be happy about it. The amount of love being put into this game is phenominal, and from what I can tell that will shine through even the most dated aspects of the engine. Keep up the good work MeMod team!

Inspiring words Lovebird

Just wanted to join the talk about old games again. Even if i have a new comp with all the new games....i have sometimes played even my C64 and School Daze on it.........it rocks Dunno is that the right name for the game but atleast that is in the gamelist i have On a notebook lol

MeMod is not the ONLY really big land land mass mod there are other really cool ones like tamriel rebuilt.

Burned...

Anyway, I'll still be playing MEMod when the MEGame comes out. Which will probably be in 2007.

i think everyone should focus on Memod for MW..
Megame is far future plans..nothing more..
Even Stalker and its modding tools are future...
its worth to build plans from dreams but its not worth to build dreams from plans;)

Speaking of the Me-Game... should you ever make it... would it:

A) Take the same amount of time to complete as the Me-Mod?
B ) Take significantly more time, because it's a standalone game?
C) Take significantly less time, because much of the work has been made for MEMOD?

D) it would take at least the same time as making memod for mw
why? x-ray engine has new limits.. landscape would be 1:1 scale.. our models and textures would need rebuilding since engine can handle more than mw's, lot-lot things we could implement..

Well, but the dialogues would already be written, the plot would have already been created, and the research necessary would already have been completed, right?