Look, we all love Morrowind, and most if not all of the features... And let's just say that I get pretty annoyed when people start to bad talk the Argonians and Khajits! So what if they have tails? You know what I would give if I had a tail?
...I dunno, something somewhat big...
That's beside the point though... All I hear is wet kitty this, Lizard Guts that...
Well wake up! Those beast races are accually really good if used properly! I'm sure my Argonian Spearwarrior would own any pesky redguard or Nord... Same with my Khajit Thief... So what if they can't use boots??? Grr.....
And so I say to you now, cease the beast bad talk of I'll do um, something... you now...unpleaseant.
I demande equal rights to all ES races... Except for those damn High Elves... those suck.
Full Version: I've had just enough of these beast bashings
No boots.
No helmet.
No ownage.
No helmet.
No ownage.
Boots and helms be damned man! I mean, boots are all well and good, but most people complain about not being able to use the boots of blinding speed, which is bogus, and helms?
Well, I guess they are also good, but now you can see your characters pretty face more...
Well, I guess they are also good, but now you can see your characters pretty face more...
he's right. its cool to see your characters awesome face when walking through a town or something. my dunmer never wears his glass helm (which i have seen screens of a khajit wearing) and i sometimes forget to put it on before battle! the beast races can wear open helms like imp. chain coifs, imp. dragonscale helms, and like i said i have seen one with a glass helm on. plus my cousins Argonian looks so cute with the little yellow fur hat and Tartheifs robe on!
I am a Khajit. Hath not a Khajit eyes? hath not a Khajit hands,
organs, dimensions, senses, affections, passions? Fed with
the same food, hurt with the same weapons, subject
to the same diseases, healed by the same means,
warmed and cooled by the same winter and summer, as
an Imperial is? If you prick us, do we not bleed?
if you tickle us, do we not laugh? if you poison
us, do we not die? and if you wrong us, shall we not
revenge?
organs, dimensions, senses, affections, passions? Fed with
the same food, hurt with the same weapons, subject
to the same diseases, healed by the same means,
warmed and cooled by the same winter and summer, as
an Imperial is? If you prick us, do we not bleed?
if you tickle us, do we not laugh? if you poison
us, do we not die? and if you wrong us, shall we not
revenge?
Hath not a Khajit boots?
nobody sweat the no boots thing. i mean thats not as bad as anyone who uses two handed weapons and cant use a shield. now thats a shame! plus the beast models are so cool, especially how they hold a Claymore sideways. very cool.
Argonians have pluses to unarmored, and that will compensate for the loss of boots. And you can wear open-faced helms. Besides, Argonians make better healers, monks, and mages anyway, and people who specialize in magic get pluses to unarmored. Forget armor. Plus, they're faster than anyone else with their tall stature and +15 to athletics. Not having armor will decrease their encumbrance and make them excellent runners. I love Argonians
As for Khajiit, they have more pluses in stealth skills than any other race, which means they're most likely gonna be a theif, which implies that in their line of work, there won't be as much fighting. Wanna be a Khajiit warrior or mage? Then be ready for a little harder game. Khajiit don't suck, they're just meant for theivery.
Beast races rock. Just use them correctly.
As for Khajiit, they have more pluses in stealth skills than any other race, which means they're most likely gonna be a theif, which implies that in their line of work, there won't be as much fighting. Wanna be a Khajiit warrior or mage? Then be ready for a little harder game. Khajiit don't suck, they're just meant for theivery.
Beast races rock. Just use them correctly.
I know my character would be worse if he was a beast. BTW Elade skill bonuses dont matter because all skills can eventually be maxed out.
...And also, that Unarmored boost means nothing to armor rating. Even with a 100-rated Unarmored skill, the maximum armor rating you can get without wearing some real equipment is 65. Thus, the benfit of not wearing boots -- with a 100-rated Unarmored skill, mind you -- goes away once you get a pair of boots that have an armor rating greater than 65.
...And what is the value of that starting bonus to Unarmred that youget as an Argonian? Five? Ten? Fifteen?
...And what is the value of that starting bonus to Unarmred that youget as an Argonian? Five? Ten? Fifteen?
yes unarmored is one of those pathatic skill i mean if you have the best light armor set it is not that much heavier than having no armor but it offers MUCH more defense.
well good point. only +5 unarmored. but in the end, i don't think you're gonna miss boots or a helm. most of the protection comes from the cuirass and greaves. gauntlets help a little too.
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| BTW Elade skill bonuses dont matter because all skills can eventually be maxed out. |
ok. well i'm talking about the kind of character you will have during most of the good gameplay. ya know, the mid-range levels. pluses do help in levels 1-25 or even 30. but yes, when it comes right down to it, unarmored does suck, but i think it's more fun because it's different. and challenging.
i'm stubborn as hell when it comes to my likings w/ unarmored. i don't really care for having an AR of 200. i role-play when i make a character, and if it was my choice, i wouldn't want to carry around even the lightest armors. plus i don't really ever wear helmets (i have this weird thing where i have to see my char's face).
anyways, beast races are good in my opinion. i think that if beast races were able to wear boots or closed-face helms, it would take away from the experience of not being human-like.
beats races are not bad its just that any other race can be better.
| QUOTE (Eiade @ Jul 10 2004, 05:32 PM) |
| Khajiit don't suck, they're just meant for theivery. |
I love my Khajiit thief.
If you read the Morrowind instruction booklet it says that the boots you wear affect sneaking. If you are a thief you shouldn't wear boots when sneaking around.
The Khajiit can't wear boots anyway so that makes them better thieves for people who forget to take off thier boots.
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| beast races are not bad its just that any other race can be better. |
i guarantee you that a level 20 khajiit thief will be much more effective than a level 20 thief from any other race.
My 2 cents: Kajiits wern't made to be out their with Nords and Orcs, hacking a slashing at whatver enemy challenges them. You can still do that, but The fighters of the game will always get the advantage. (this is assuming that u didnt use the TESCS to up your kajiits begining stats 
) anyway, if your a theif, Then you must plan on not being attacked right. after all, who would want to fight someone with heavy armour and a claymore with light armour and a shortblade? So why do you need boots if you have stealth? (Kajiits get a bonus for stealth.) The only thing boots are good for is up-ing your armour rateing. Plus, you can always jump away from your enemy (done this many a time) (Kajiits have +15 acrobatics) All i'm saying is, Kajiits can but just as usefull as warriors, but not for the same purposes.
BTW, i cant speak for argonians cause i've never made one before.
) anyway, if your a theif, Then you must plan on not being attacked right. after all, who would want to fight someone with heavy armour and a claymore with light armour and a shortblade? So why do you need boots if you have stealth? (Kajiits get a bonus for stealth.) The only thing boots are good for is up-ing your armour rateing. Plus, you can always jump away from your enemy (done this many a time) (Kajiits have +15 acrobatics) All i'm saying is, Kajiits can but just as usefull as warriors, but not for the same purposes.BTW, i cant speak for argonians cause i've never made one before.
| QUOTE (Eiade @ Jul 12 2004, 02:51 AM) | ||
i guarantee you that a level 20 khajiit thief will be much more effective than a level 20 thief from any other race. |
yes well maybe at level 20 but not at level 100
| QUOTE (the_ragnarok702 @ Jul 12 2004, 02:17 PM) |
| yes well maybe at level 20 but not at level 100 |
whos gonna play a character to level 100? why would you ever want to do that, so you can brag about how much more of your life you wasted then the rest of us?
anyway the races are supposed to support different arts, like Nords and Orcs are to Combat arts, high elfs and breton are to magic and the beast races are to stealth. but its not like one race cant jump into another class. its all a manner of preference. you wouldnt want me to bash bretons because they have absolutely no combat skills or an orc cuz he cant cast spells worth a crap (that is unless they are put in opposing classes).
but just think about it, most race ckill bonuses only raise a skill by what 15 max? so when you put a race that was MEANT for stealth, or magic, into a combat class they can do pretty much as good as any race. or really even better cuz now that character has upped stats from two groups. so you can diversify your skills.
just look at the numbers. for example: a khajit in warrior class's Long Sword is only maybe 5 or 10 pts under say a Nord warrior, but hes got good mercantile, sneak and acrobatic skills which other classes more suited to immobile fights dont.
heh, leave it to me to stand up for the downtrodden. should i add this to my sig? no wait ill just wait for a severely anti-beast maniac to show up then jump him.
I am lvl 100 and it only took me a week playing 4 hours a day. NO CHEATS. That is not THAT long.
Never played a beast-character, and possibly never will. I prefer my Dark Drow, but sometime, after I finally beat the main quest, I might try one.
the game becomes to boring after your character is 30+
My Khajiit thief killed Sajorng Hard-Heart (sp?) in one hit because I was able sneak right behind him.
Granted I was very happy, it made me feel invinsible which ruins just about any game.
Oh and by the way, saying "Dark Drow" is like saying wet water or hot sun. Unless it's an Albino with a tan.
My Khajiit thief killed Sajorng Hard-Heart (sp?) in one hit because I was able sneak right behind him.
Granted I was very happy, it made me feel invinsible which ruins just about any game.
Oh and by the way, saying "Dark Drow" is like saying wet water or hot sun. Unless it's an Albino with a tan.
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| yes well maybe at level 20 but not at level 100 |
ok sure. maybe not. but aren't all level 100 characters basically the same thing anyways? they all pretty much have almost everything maxed out either by a lot of experience or by massive training in everything because of their grotesque amount of cash. If you were to use your argument, then we could easily say that a level 100 imperial mage could top a level 100 high elf mage (which of course is possible, but does that make sense? high elves are known for magic, and yet an imperial topped them? it doesn't make the khajiit suck just because at level 100 it won't be better than another race at level 100). That is NOT a good argument. The fact that another lvl 100 thief could be better than a lvl 100 khajiit thief is void.
It's all about how quickly you achieve mastery. The khajiit will master any stealth stats much faster than another race. easily done by correctly placing majors and minors, and specializing in stealth.
I have to say beast races have no real problems. If it is of that much importance to have boots then you dont get a beast race character simple. Any way kahjits can were any helm other then a closed one and there arent that many closed helms really. ONce you are high enough of a level then it doesnt matter what you are really. So honestly nobody needs to talk bad about the cool looking beast races. So ha. And they also get great bonuses to start.
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