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Illuvarin
I was wondering which race Gandalf was, I think its something between elf and men but im not sure any ideas ? I think I've read something too about his age being over 300.
chronicthehedgehog
Gandalf is one of the Ainur, the oldest beings in the Tolien 'verse, created before Middle-Earth. Kinda like angels. More specifically he is one of the Maiar, the less powerful Ainur who has taken human form.
Xeniorn
He is an Istar. Istars are Maiars sent by Iluvatar to help Middle Earth.
seregmegil
A maia of Manwe, IIRC.

Radagast is the one of Yavanna.

And Saruman is another maia of Aule I think, like sauron

But I may be wrong, I've read it a long time ago tongue.gif
Illuvarin
QUOTE (chronicthehedgehog @ Jun 20 2004, 03:41 PM)
Gandalf is one of the Ainur, the oldest beings in the Tolien 'verse, created before Middle-Earth. Kinda like angels. More specifically he is one of the Maiar, the less powerful Ainur who has taken human form.

Isn't he mortal ?
I mean cant he die of age ?
Hir_Nesta
his body can die of age (but he ages (sp?) very slowly) and of injuries
but the maiar in himself never dies.
he died against the balrog (tolkien states that in his letters)
but then returned as the white.

I recommend you to read te unfinished tails (i never remember thee
english names. In german it is: Nachrichten aus mittelerde)
or read his letters.
Hir_Nesta
thanx!

i'm honored

honestly
.:Imrahil:.
Good stuff, chise. -16 posts, you own, man!
Morgoth
QUOTE (chise @ Jun 29 2004, 04:49 PM)
(Peregrine can't delete posts in this forum)

I can.
Hir_Nesta
i did not get the last two posts,
what are they talking about?
Xeniorn
Chise posted worthless spam, and Morgoth deleted it.
QUOTE
I'm a worthess spamming troll. (Peregrine can't delete posts in this forum.)
and he has
-17 posts, due to his spamming. poster_spam.gif
Hir_Nesta
aha ok

because of 1 spam his post count went down for -17
why not -1 ??
Morgoth
chise has been spamming a bit more than only with one post. And the deletion of one post decreases your post count by three of four IIRC. And now back on topic biggrin.gif
Jesugandalf
Yes. Concluding: Gandalf is one of the five Istari sent by the Maia from Valinor to Middle-Earth, so he is not an elf, nor a man.

More info on Istari, in the Unfinished Tales wink.gif
Zaephion
Since he's one of the Ainur, that makes him as old/older than the world itself meaning he's nigh on 38 000 years old smile.gif
WickedArtist
Gandalf is over 3000 years old, sent by the Valar with other Maiar like him to subtly help Men to defeat Sauron using their council and wisdom. These are Saruman the white, Radagast the brown, Gandalf the grey, and the two other blue wizards - all of them are known as the Istari.

Gandalf is just one of the earthly names given to him (another is Mithrandir, the grey pilgrim). Gandalf's real name, as a Maiar, is Olorin - and as a Maiar, he existed before the world itself.
Morgoth
Over 3000 years? Nope. HAving been sent to Middle-earth around 1000 TA, Gandalf (the Grey) was about 2000 years old at the time of the War of the Ring.

However, you are correct as far as the differentiation between Gandalf and Olórin is concerned. Gandalf is only his earthly incarnation, and therefore much younger than the fea Olórin.
WickedArtist
3000, 2000, no difference to these damn Maiar tongue.gif
Rob the mariner
I don't think that after some 38000 years a 1000 or so really matters to you any more.
BTW It would be great if you could do some task for gandalf (like get him a stash of old toby ) and recieve one of his famed fireworks as a gift.

Now that would be a way to celebrate your birthday in-game, I can't wait.
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