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Levee Breaker
Nov 7 2008, 01:10 AM
Hey everyone. I get an instant CTD in Oblivion, and it's the oddest thing. I'm making a new char, no previous saves, and I can make the facegen, and everything runs smoothly, but once I finish and I actually enter the cell, I get an instant CTD. My guess is it's a script initialization issue. Right before I get the CTD, the weapon HUD (see, bare fist) is visable for .1 second, then the CTD. I've got all my info here, and also realize that I've got everything maxed out but resolution, which is at 1658x1050, or some such nonsense. Too lazy to put my Oblivion disc in and check. tongue.gif

I have my load order here for you all, too. I use BOSS, and I have OBMM, and Bash, as per needed. I'm not sure what's going on here, and I really would appreciate all your guys' (and ladies') help! Thanks. smile.gif

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Better Oblivion Sorting Software       Load Order Utility
                                 (c) Random007, 2008, GPL3
                                          v1.0 (17 Oct 08)
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Oblivion.esm date: Tue Jan 01 17:36:02 2002
FCOM detected.


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Recognised and re-ordered mod files:
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Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm

Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm

Cobl Main.esm
  . Note:  Do not use Tamrielic Ingredients and COBL at the same time.

Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm

Mart's Monster Mod.esm

FCOM_Convergence.esm

TNR ALL RACES FINAL.esp
  . Bashed Patch tag suggestion:  {{BASH:NpcFaces,NoMerge}} and deactivate.

TNR - ShiveringIsles.esp
  . Bashed Patch tag suggestion:  {{BASH:NpcFaces,Invent,NoMerge}} and deactivate.

Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp

DLCShiveringIsles.esp

Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp
  . Note:  Remember to use the 'MOBS' version when using Francesco's and FCOM.
  . Note:  Newest version has same name.

SM Plugin Refurbish - SI.esp
  . Note:  Not compatible with 'CDM-GGO Compatibility plugins'.

Fra.esp
  . Note:  BSA redirection hack. Usually refers to FraNewItems.BSA
  . Note:  Using a file to load a BSA means the BSA must NOT be listed in Oblivion.ini Archives too.

Francesco's Optional Leveled Quests-SI only.esp

Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp

Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp

Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp

Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp
  . Note:  Requires Shivering Isles expansion when using FCOM.

FCOM_Francescos.esp
  . Note:  Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items 4.5b required.

FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp
  . Note:  Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items 4.5b required.
  . Note:  Francesco's supplementary addon package required.

FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp
  . Note:  Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items 4.5b required.

Fran Armor Add-on.esp
  . Note:  Requires the meshes from 'Bonemold Helmet' and 'Cryos Ordinator Indoril Armor' mods, but not the ESPs.
  . Note:  Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items 4.5b required.

Natural_Weather_HDR_by_Max_Tael.esp

Enhanced Water v2.0 HD.esp

WindowLightingSystem.esp

Living Economy - SI.esp
  . Note:  Don't use 'Living Economy' and 'Living Economy - SI' together. Pick one. Requires Shivering Isles expansion.

Living Economy - Items.esp

JG Elven.esp

Slof's Oblivion Robe Trader.esp
  . Bashed Patch tag suggestion:  {{BASH:Graphics}}

PersuasionOverhaul.esp

Slof's Oblivion Robe Trader.esp
  . Note:  Requires 'FCOM_SlofsRobeTrader.esp' if using FCOM.

Cobl Glue.esp
  . Note:  Requires 'FCOM_Cobl.esp' if using FCOM.

Cobl Si.esp
  . Note:  Requires Shivering Isles expansion.

OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp

FCOM_Cobl.esp
  . Note:  Requires 'Cobl Glue.esp' and 'OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp'.
  . Note:  Do not use COBL and Tamerielic Ingredients at the same time.

Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp
  . Note:  Requires 'FCOM_BobsArmory.esp' if using FCOM.

FCOM_BobsArmory.esp
  . Note:  Requires 'Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp'.

Loth's Blunt Weapons for NPCs.esp
  . Note:  Requires 'FCOM_LothsBluntWeapons.esp' if using FCOM.

FCOM_LothsBluntWeapons.esp
  . Note:  Requires 'Loths Blunt Weapons for NPCs.esp'.

Oblivion WarCry EV.esp
  . Note:  Requires either 'FCOM_WarCry.esp' or 'FCOM_WarCryNoSpawn.esp' if using FCOM.

FCOM_WarCry.esp
  . Note:  Use either 'FCOM_WarCry.esp' or 'FCOM_WarCryNoSpawn.esp', not both.

Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp

OOO-Water_Weeds.esp

OOO-Magic_Script_Effect_Fix.esp

OOO-Container_Trap_Instant_Effects.esp

FCOM_Convergence.esp

FCOM_EntropicOrderRebalance.esp

FCOM_RealSwords.esp

FCOM_SpawnRatesSlightlyReduced.esp
  . Note:  Use only one: Reduced, SlightlyReduced or Stronger.

Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life No Gates.esp
  . Note:  Use only one: More Wilderness Life or More Wilderness Life No Gates.

FCOM_SaferRoads.esp

FCOM_NoReaversInGates.esp
  . Note:  Don't use NoReaversInGates and LessReaversInGates at the same time for obvious reason.

Mart's Monster Mod - Extra Wounding.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - No Bone Loot.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp

FCOM_DiverseGuardUnity.esp

FCOM_BobsGuardUnity.esp
  . Note:  Requires 'Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp'.

FCOM_FriendlierFactions.esp

FCOM_MoreRandomItems.esp

PersuasionOverhaul_MMM.esp

PersuasionOverhaul_OOO.esp

AyleidArrows.esp

Gift of Kynareth.esp

LetThePeopleDrink.esp

Knights.esp

SM Plugin Refurbish - Knights.esp
  . Note:  Not compatible with 'CDM-GGO Compatibility plugins'.

The Lost Spires.esp

Lost Paladins of the Divines.esp
  . Note:  FCOM requires 'FCOM_ruin.esp'.

FCOM_Knights.esp
  . Bashed Patch tag suggestion:  {{BASH:Delev,Merge,Relev}}
  . Note:  Requires DLC 'Knights.esp'.

FCOM_slofsrobetrader.esp
  . Note:  Requires 'Slof's Oblivion Robe Trader.esp'.

xuldarkforest.esp

xulStendarrValley.esp

xulTheHeath.esp

XulEntiusGorge.esp

xulFallenLeafEverglade.esp

LostSpires-Everglade patch.esp

xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp

xulChorrolHinterland.esp

xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp
  . Note:  Check version is 1.4.1 or later.

xulLushWoodlands.esp

xulAncientYews.esp

xulAncientRedwoods.esp

xulCloudtopMountains.esp

xulArriusCreek.esp

xulPatch_AY_AC.esp

xulRollingHills_EV.esp

xulRiverEthe.esp

xulImperialIsle.esp

LostSpires-DarkForest patch.esp

FCOM_UnofficialFranArmorAddon.esp
  . Note:  Requires 'Fran Armor Add-on.esp' from 'Unofficial Francesco's Armor'.

Natural_Vegetation_by_Max_Tael.esp
  . Note:  Put before Unique Landscape mods to return tree sizes there to normal.

DropLitTorchOBSE.esp

Dungeon Actors Have Torches 1.6 DT.esp

Exterior Actors Have Torches 1.3 DT.esp

Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp
  . Note:  MAY cause CTDs. Cause uncertain despite extensive debugging. Disable if experiencing a persistant crash.

ScriptIcon_Replacer.esp

Progress.esp

Legendary Abilities-Fortify Health MOJ.esp
  . Note:  Use only one 'Legendary Abilities' mod module.

Grandmaster of Alchemy.esp

bgMagicEV.esp
  . Note:  Place all L.A.M.E. files before Supreme Magika to keep SM spell stats.

bgMagicItemSigil.esp

bgMagicEVStartspells.esp

bgMagicEVAddEnVar.esp

Poison Combiner.esp

EnchantmentRestore.esp

EnchantmentRestore_Wells.esp

ZumbsLockpickingMod - OBSE.esp

No psychic guards v1.2.esp

Denock Arrows.esp

Atmospheric Loading Screens - No Text.esp
  . Bashed Patch tag suggestion:  {{BASH:Graphics}}

Francesco's 10 days respawn time - 1-16 day lenght rescale.esp

bgMagicEVShader.esp

bgMagicLightningbolt.esp

Real Lava 1.3.esp
  . Bashed Patch tag suggestion:  {{BASH:Graphics}} and deactivate.

Duke Patricks - Near Miss Magic And Arrow Shots Alert The Target.esp

Bashed Patch, 0.esp

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Unrecognised mod files:                                        
Reorder these by hand using Wrye Bash or Oblivion Mod Manager.
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Unknown mod file: xulBravilBarrowfields.esp
Unknown mod file: xulPantherRiver.esp
Unknown mod file: Daedric Lord Armor.esp
Unknown mod file: AProvostOfTheNineDivines_1.esp
Unknown mod file: MD_Oblivion_Eyes.esp
Unknown mod file: All-killable.esp
Unknown mod file: Duke Patricks - BASIC Script Effect Silencer BETA.esp


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Done.


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Done.


Real load order is as such:

• 00 Oblivion.esm

• 01 Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm

• 02 Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm

• 03 Cobl Main.esm [Version 1.47]

• 04 Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm [Version 1.34Beta3]

• 05 Mart's Monster Mod.esm [Version 3.5.5b4]

• 06 FCOM_Convergence.esm [Version 0.9.9a7]

• 07 Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp [Version 3.2.0]

• 08 DLCShiveringIsles.esp

• 09 Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp [Version 1.4.0]

• 0A SM Plugin Refurbish - SI.esp [Version 1.05]

• 0B Fra.esp

• 0C Francesco's Optional Leveled Quests-SI only.esp

• 0D Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp

• 0E Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp

• 0F Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp

• 10 Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp

• 11 FCOM_Francescos.esp [Version 0.9.9]

• 12 FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp [Version 0.9.9]

• 13 FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp [Version 0.9.9]

• 14 Fran Armor Add-on.esp

• 15 Natural_Weather_HDR_by_Max_Tael.esp

• 16 Enhanced Water v2.0 HD.esp

• 17 WindowLightingSystem.esp

• 18 Living Economy - SI.esp

• 19 Living Economy - Items.esp

• 1A JG Elven.esp

• 1B PersuasionOverhaul.esp [Version 1.3]

• 1C Slof's Oblivion Robe Trader.esp

• 1D Cobl Glue.esp [Version 1.44]

• 1E Cobl Si.esp [Version 1.32]

• 1F OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp [Version 1.41]

• 20 FCOM_Cobl.esp [Version 0.9.9]

• 21 Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp

• 22 FCOM_BobsArmory.esp [Version 0.9.9]

• 23 Loth's Blunt Weapons for Npcs.esp

• 24 FCOM_LothsBluntWeapons.esp [Version 0.9.9]

• 25 Oblivion WarCry EV.esp

• 26 FCOM_WarCry.esp [Version 0.9.9]

• 27 Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp [Version 1.34Beta3]

• 28 OOO-Water_Weeds.esp [Version 1.33]

• 29 OOO-Magic_Script_Effect_Fix.esp [Version 1.33]

• 2A OOO-Container_Trap_Instant_Effects.esp [Version 1.33]

• 2B FCOM_Convergence.esp [Version 0.9.9]

• 2C FCOM_EntropicOrderRebalance.esp [Version 0.9.9beta2]

• 2D FCOM_RealSwords.esp [Version 0.9.9]

• 2E FCOM_SpawnRatesSlightlyReduced.esp [Version 0.9.9]

• 2F Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life No Gates.esp [Version 3.5.5b4]

• 30 FCOM_SaferRoads.esp [Version 0.9.9]

• 31 FCOM_NoReaversInGates.esp [Version 0.9.9]

• 32 Mart's Monster Mod - Extra Wounding.esp [Version 3.5.5b4]

• 33 Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp [Version 3.5.5b4]

• 34 Mart's Monster Mod - No Bone Loot.esp [Version 3.5.5b4]

• 35 Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp [Version 3.5.5b4]

• 36 FCOM_DiverseGuardUnity.esp [Version 0.9.9]

• 37 FCOM_BobsGuardUnity.esp [Version 0.9.9]

• 38 FCOM_FriendlierFactions.esp [Version 0.9.9]

• 39 FCOM_MoreRandomItems.esp [Version 0.9.9]

• 3A PersuasionOverhaul_MMM.esp [Version 1.2]

• 3B PersuasionOverhaul_OOO.esp [Version 1.2]

• 3C AyleidArrows.esp [Version 1.8]

• 3D Gift of Kynareth.esp

• 3E LetThePeopleDrink.esp [Version 2.5]

• 3F Knights.esp

• 40 SM Plugin Refurbish - Knights.esp [Version 1.06]

• 41 The Lost Spires.esp

• 42 Lost Paladins of the Divines.esp

• 43 FCOM_Knights.esp [Version 0.9.9]

• 44 FCOM_SlofsRobeTrader.esp [Version 0.9.9]

• 45 xuldarkforest.esp

• 46 xulStendarrValley.esp

• 47 xulTheHeath.esp

• 48 XulEntiusGorge.esp

• 49 xulFallenleafEverglade.esp

• 4A LostSpires-Everglade patch.esp

• 4B xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp

• 4C xulChorrolHinterland.esp

• 4D xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp

• 4E xulLushWoodlands.esp

• 4F xulAncientYews.esp

• 50 xulAncientRedwoods.esp

• 51 xulCloudtopMountains.esp

• 52 xulArriusCreek.esp

• 53 xulPatch_AY_AC.esp [Version 1.1]

• 54 xulRollingHills_EV.esp

• 55 xulRiverEthe.esp

• 56 xulImperialIsle.esp

• 57 LostSpires-DarkForest patch.esp

• 58 FCOM_UnofficialFranArmorAddon.esp [Version 0.9.9]

• 59 Natural_Vegetation_by_Max_Tael.esp

• 5A DropLitTorchOBSE.esp [Version 2.1]

• 5B Dungeon Actors Have Torches 1.6 DT.esp

• 5C Exterior Actors Have Torches 1.3 DT.esp

• 5D Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp [Version 3.07]

• 5E ScriptIcon_Replacer.esp

• 5F Progress.esp [Version 1.03]

• 60 Legendary Abilities-Fortify Health MOJ.esp

• 61 Grandmaster of Alchemy.esp

• 62 bgMagicEV.esp [Version 1.61EV]

• 63 bgMagicItemSigil.esp [Version 1.6EV]

• 64 bgMagicEVStartspells.esp [Version 1.55EV]

• 65 bgMagicEVAddEnVar.esp [Version 1.61EV]

• 66 Poison Combiner.esp

• 67 EnchantmentRestore.esp

• 68 EnchantmentRestore_Wells.esp

• 69 ZumbsLockpickingMod - OBSE.esp

• 6A No psychic guards v1.2.esp

• 6B Denock Arrows.esp

• 6C Atmospheric Loading Screens - No Text.esp

• 6D Francesco's 10 days respawn time - 1-16 day lenght rescale.esp

• 6E bgMagicEVShader.esp [Version 1.6EV]

• 6F bgMagicLightningbolt.esp

• 70 Duke Patricks - Near Miss Magic And Arrow Shots Alert The Target.esp



So, any ideas?
Levee Breaker
Nov 7 2008, 05:32 AM
Bump, but not for nothing.

Turns out I forgot COBOL_Glue.

I added it in, reran BOSS, rebuilt Bash file, but still get the same persistent crash. I would uninstall, but I'd really rather not as I just reinstalled yesterday, and this is what I was greeted with. I have OBSE_15a, if that makes a different. Also, if needed, I'll post my .ini.
bben46
Nov 7 2008, 12:30 PM

First, lets try the easy fixes. When you start are you starting using the OBSE launcher?
Have you updated to the latest patch?

Now, using OBMM, disable EVERY mod. it will leave only the Oblivion.esm checked because it is needed for the game to run.
If it works, then you have a mod problem, start putting them back until you see the problem again, in small groups, not all at once.

If it still crashes, leave the mods disabled. Try lowering ALL video settings to their minimum, turn off everything in the settings that can be turned off.
If it runs, then start by raising the video settings, not all the way, but about half way.

If it still crashes, you will need to reinstall. Here is my recommended reinstall procedure, please follow it exactly or it might not work - especially the part about cleaning your registry, rebooting where it tells you to and defraging when it tells you to (before you reinstall and after cleaning the registry.)


When you uninstall Oblivion it doesn't really uninstall everything.

It does not remove your mods, save games or Oblivion.ini. It also does not remove helper programs such as OBSE, OBMM, Wrye Bash, The construction set or any other programs you have installed in the \Oblivion folder or the save game folder. I recommend that you go ahead and delete them, then re download and install the latest version of them again later. After you have verified that the game works.

Then when you start adding mods before you have started the game, some things may not get initialized properly. Here is my recommended procedure for uninstalling and reinstalling.

I would appreciate any feedback on this as it is something I expect to post often and I hate to give bogus or useless information.

Uninstalling Oblivion

My instructions assume you are using Windows XP and have installed Oblivion into the default location. If you are using Vista or Linux, the file locations may be different, however, the procedure will be the same.

For a full reinstall, first you can try to preserve your mods and save games. I recommend that you save them in a new folder with a new name. Create the new folder in C:\Program files\Bethesda Softewrks. Name it Old Files. So it will be C:\Program Files\Bethesda softworks\Old files.

Then copy the data folder where your mods are to the new folder - do not erase them, copy them. And in the new folder, rename the \data folder to \olddata. Then copy and rename the folder that has your saved games and Oblivion.ini, C:\documents and settings\your user name\my documents\My Games\oblivion to something like \My games\Old Oblivion - this saves your saved games and the oblivion.ini file.

Then, using the original CD, NOT the Launcher on your Hard drive. Select uninstall.

After it completes the uninstall, reboot your computer - this is important as it allows Windows to remove some references to the original Oblivion.

This would be the time to erase all of the helper programs you have in the \Oblivion folder. Such as OBMM, OBSE and some others. The simplest way is to erase the folder completely. The new install will re create the folder for you along with a fresh oblivion.ini and when you start the game and make a save, a new save folder and new \data folder.

This would also be a good time to do a file clean up and defragment your hard drive.

If you are worried about the registry entries that were left behind. There are several good programs for removing left behind entries. The one I use is ccleaner. Be sure to reboot before using it, and again after. It is available here: http://majorgeeks.com/download4191.html


Now to Reinstall.

Again using the original CD, install Oblivion.

Special instructions for Vista only: Do not install to the default location - make a new folder such as C:\Games and install there. That way you will not be bothered by the problems caused by the Vista UAC security not allowing mods to work.

Before adding any mods, patches, helper programs, Shivering Isles or anything else, start the game and make a save. This initializes some stuff that needs to be initialized.

If you are using the Game of the Year version of Oblivion you should not need any patches, skip the patching part.

Now, If you DO NOT use Shivering Isles, patch the game using ONLY the latest Oblivion patch. All of the stuff from the earlier patches is included.

Be sure you use the proper language patch. If you use the wrong one it may work, but with a strange mixture of languages. (Germanglish?) Or it may crash.

NOTE: there are two English Patches UK & US and they are different. (Some people actually think we speak the same language) Use the one that matches your original disk.

If you use Shivering Isles, Install it now. DO NOT install the Oblivion patch. Install Shivering Isles, then ONLY the latest Shivering Isles patch. All of the updates for Oblivion are included. There is only one Shivering Isles patch for both US & UK English

Now, again start the game and make a save. Test to be sure everything is working right (No purple objects or yellow blocks)

Before adding any mods, back up both your \data folder and the save game folder. Copy them, don't move or rename them, to a different folder - such as \Bethesda\Clean Oblivion\data and \Bethesda\clean Oblivion\saves. Note that this is a different folder than the one used for your old data and saves.

Note, Your Oblivion.ini file is in the same folder, but separate from, the save game folder.

Now, if you want to try to run with your old mods, first rename the original folders. The \data folder to \newdata and the \oldata back to \data. this restores all of your mods. You should now have 2 data folders \data, and \newdata in your \oblivion folder

To restore your original saves and ini file, rename the new My Games\Oblivion to something like \New Oblivion. and the \Old oblivion to \oblivion - this restores all of your saved games and your original Oblivion.ini file.

DO NOT erase the files you renamed. These are your backup files in case the original mods do not work or give you the same problem.

If you have the same problem, it is most likely caused by a mod. However, you now have a clean install to fall back on. You can rename the files back to what they were and be back to your clean install without having to reinstall again.

Sounds like lots of work, but you will have a clean install and a back up clean install when you are finished.

Post your comments here: http://s1.zetaboards.com/TheStormRavenLibrary/forum/236320/


dezdimona
Nov 7 2008, 01:04 PM
General Load-Order Guidelines


Here are the guidelines that I adhere to, personally.

~ Unofficial Oblivon Patch should always be first on the list. The fixes are great, but most aren't essential, so if a mod overwrites them its not a big deal, and the fixes have the potential for screwing up other mods if loaded later.

~ Offical Content (DLC's) should be loaded last, until you complete all quests associated with them (that includes buying all furniture for the houses and whatnot). Once they're complete, they can be safely moved up in the list. This is especially important for Knights of the Nine, which will have some fairly major problems unless loaded last (unless you get the UOP for KotN)

~ Major overhaul mods (OOO, Frans, MMM) should be loaded near the end. That gives you the most complete experience with any of those particular mods. It also lets you carefully choose which other mods to load afterwards... only move mods that you know will conflict and that you want the changes from. For example, I have Improved Soul Gems below OOO because I know that OOO changes the icons of some of the SG's, and ISG needs to be below to show through.

Some people will recommend putting larger mods first, but personally I disagree. There are a number of mods out there that make minor tweaks, and loading after a large mod will end up completely overwriting a chunk from one of the bigger mods because of the way conflicts work in Oblivion (even one minor change will take precedence over the entire record... for example, simply tweaking the speed of a weapon can cause every stat of that weapon to be retained to vanilla levels if loaded later).

So basically, it stacks up like this...

Oblivion.esm
Unofficial Oblivion Patch
<Minor Mods / DLC's (Post-Completion)>
<Major Overhaul Mod/Mods>
<Mods that specifically conflict with overhauls and need to take precedence>
<DLC's (Pre-Completion)>



Expanded Load-Order Guidelines
by dev_akm

I would extend this to include:

Oblivion.esm
Unofficial Oblivion Patch
<Weather/Environment/Sound Mods>
<Minor Mods/New Items/Houses/DLC's (Post-Completion)>
<Major Overhaul Mods>
<Mods that specifically conflict with overhauls and need to take precedence>
<DLC's (Pre-Completion)>
<Quests>
<Compatibility Patches/UOMP/Merged Leveled Lists>

And a special-case warning for Knights.esp (Knights of the Nine) -- you may not be able to move it earlier than some other mods (some people have had problems after moving it before OOO, for example).

That's basically the structure I use and I have 140+ mods working well together.

Another way of describing this (posted by DMan77):
....
Oblivion
unoffical patch
Deeper realism mods that add sights and sounds
added content like weapons/items
gameplay changes, like 'must eat and sleep'
The OOO type
the 'new begining' type mod..
...
Levee Breaker
Nov 7 2008, 03:39 PM
Thanks you two. smile.gif

I'm running on Vista, but UAC is off, so I've got it installed into the default ProgramFiles(x86) folder. Worked simply fine, until I uninstalled. I think I'll just uninstall again. I delete my entire Oblivion folder, just to be sure. But I will try the rebooting method as last time I don't believe I rebooted before I reinstalled (big oopsie, I know). I also have the Oblivion shortcut rewired to the OBSE launcher, so yes, I boot up with OBSE.

As for load order, I simply trust in going on with BOSS. Though I do reorder the ones it does not recognize; ie, clumping together all UL mods, loading DukePatrick's SES BETA last, ect ect.

I was weary as to weather or not it was one of my mods messing with stability, but I must also say I use NHancer to force SLI in Oblivion, which MAY have something to do with it, but I simple doubt it, I think it's a wonky install personally.

Any way, I'll let you all know what's up once I get done uninstalling, rebooting, installing, then getting all my mods in order.
Levee Breaker
Nov 10 2008, 10:57 PM
Alright, so I got it up and running. I believe it was something to do with the .ini that was causing the crash. Now I'm up and running, but I still get odd crashes. Also, of modest concern, is that every time I quit Oblivion, itt crashes to desktop. Again, I'm not sure if a load order can fix these issues. Here it is, again:

CODE
Active Mod Files:
00 Oblivion.esm
01 Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm
02 Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm
03 Cobl Main.esm [Version 1.47]
04 Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm [Version 1.34Beta3]
05 Mart's Monster Mod.esm [Version 3.6beta3]
06 FCOM_Convergence.esm [Version 0.9.9a7]
07 Armamentarium.esm
08 Better Cities Resources.esm
09 ScreenEffects.esm
0A EnhancedWeather.esm [Version 1.2]
0B TNR ALL RACES FINAL.esp
0C TNR - ShiveringIsles.esp
0D Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp
0E DLCShiveringIsles.esp
0F Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp [Version 1.4.0]
10 SM Plugin Refurbish - SI.esp [Version 1.05]
11 Fra.esp
12 Francesco's Optional Leveled Quests-SI only.esp
13 Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp
14 Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp
15 Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp
16 Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp
17 FCOM_Francescos.esp [Version 0.9.9]
18 FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp [Version 0.9.9]
19 FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp [Version 0.9.9]
1A Fran Armor Add-on.esp
1B Enhanced Water v2.0 HD.esp
1C EnhancedWeather - SI.esp [Version 1.1.7]
1D WindowLightingSystem.esp
1E Living Economy - SI.esp
1F Living Economy - Items.esp
20 ArmamentariumLL.esp
21 ArmamentariumLLVendors.esp
22 JG Elven.esp
23 PersuasionOverhaul.esp [Version 1.3]
24 Slof's Oblivion Robe Trader.esp
25 Cobl Glue.esp [Version 1.44]
26 Cobl Si.esp [Version 1.32]
27 OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp [Version 1.41]
28 FCOM_Cobl.esp [Version 0.9.9]
29 Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp
2A FCOM_BobsArmory.esp [Version 0.9.9]
2B Loth's Blunt Weapons for Npcs.esp
2C FCOM_LothsBluntWeapons.esp [Version 0.9.9]
2D Oblivion WarCry EV.esp
2E FCOM_WarCry.esp [Version 0.9.9]
2F Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp [Version 1.34Beta3]
30 OOO-Water_Weeds.esp [Version 1.33]
31 OOO-Magic_Script_Effect_Fix.esp [Version 1.33]
32 FCOM_Convergence.esp [Version 0.9.9]
33 FCOM_RealSwords.esp [Version 0.9.9]
34 FCOM_SpawnRatesSlightlyReduced.esp [Version 0.9.9]
35 Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life No Gates.esp [Version 3.6Beta3]
36 FCOM_SaferRoads.esp [Version 0.9.9]
37 FCOM_NoReaversInGates.esp [Version 0.9.9]
38 Mart's Monster Mod - Extra Wounding.esp [Version 3.6Beta3]
39 Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp [Version 3.5.5b4]
3A Mart's Monster Mod - No Bone Loot.esp [Version 3.6beta3]
3B Mart's Monster Mod - Vindasel.esp [Version 3.5.5b4]
3C Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp [Version 3.6Beta3]
3D FCOM_DiverseGuardUnity.esp [Version 0.9.9]
3E FCOM_BobsGuardUnity.esp [Version 0.9.9]
3F FCOM_FriendlierFactions.esp [Version 0.9.9]
40 FCOM_MoreRandomItems.esp [Version 0.9.9]
41 PersuasionOverhaul_MMM.esp [Version 1.2]
42 PersuasionOverhaul_OOO.esp [Version 1.2]
43 ArmamentariumLL4OOO.esp
44 KnightlyArmory.esp
45 Daedric Lord Armor.esp
46 AyleidArrows.esp [Version 1.8]
47 Gift of Kynareth.esp
48 LetThePeopleDrink.esp [Version 2.5]
49 road+bridges.esp [Version 4.1.1]
4A Knights.esp
4B SM Plugin Refurbish - Knights.esp [Version 1.06]
4C The Lost Spires.esp
4D Lost Paladins of the Divines.esp
4E FCOM_Knights.esp [Version 0.9.9]
4F FCOM_Ruin.esp [Version 0.9.9]
50 FCOM_SlofsRobeTrader.esp [Version 0.9.9]
51 xuldarkforest.esp
52 xulTheHeath.esp
53 XulEntiusGorge.esp
54 xulFallenleafEverglade.esp
55 xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp
56 xulPantherRiver.esp
57 xulChorrolHinterland.esp
58 xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp
59 xulLushWoodlands.esp
5A xulAncientYews.esp
5B xulAncientRedwoods.esp
5C xulCloudtopMountains.esp
5D xulArriusCreek.esp
5E xulPatch_AY_AC.esp [Version 1.1]
5F xulRollingHills_EV.esp
60 xulBravilBarrowfields.esp
61 xulRiverEthe.esp
62 xulImperialIsle.esp
63 LostSpires-DarkForest patch.esp
64 Better Cities - Full City Defences.esp
65 Better Cities SKINGRAD.esp
66 Better Cities IC Market.esp
67 Better Cities BRAVIL.esp
68 Better Cities ANVIL.esp
69 Better Cities - Unique Landscape Lost Coast.esp
6A Better Cities CHORROL.esp
6B Better Cities - Unique Landscape Chorrol Hinterland.esp
6C Better Cities CHEYDINHAL.esp
6D Better Cities LEYAWIIN.esp
6E Better Cities BRUMA.esp
6F Better Cities IC Arboretum.esp
70 Better Cities - Lost Spires.esp
71 Better Cities LEYAWIIN - No Flooding.esp
72 ImpeREAL City Unique Districts - Elven Gardens.esp
73 Better Cities IC Arcane University.esp
74 Better Cities IC Arena.esp
75 Better Cities IC Prison.esp
76 Better Cities IC Talos Plaza.esp
77 Better Cities IC Waterfront.esp
78 ImpeREAL City Unique Districts - Green Emperor Way.esp
79 ImpeREAL City Unique Districts - Temple.esp
7A FCOM_UnofficialFranArmorAddon.esp [Version 0.9.9]
7B Natural_Vegetation_by_Max_Tael.esp
7C DropLitTorchOBSE.esp [Version 2.1]
7D Dungeon Actors Have Torches 1.6 DT.esp
7E Exterior Actors Have Torches 1.3 DT.esp
7F Kyoma's Journal Mod.esp [Version 2.1.0]
80 Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp [Version 3.07]
81 ScriptIcon_Replacer.esp
82 Progress.esp [Version 1.03]
83 Legendary Abilities-Fortify Health MOJ.esp
84 Grandmaster of Alchemy.esp
85 bgMagicEV.esp [Version 1.61EV]
86 bgMagicItemSigil.esp [Version 1.6EV]
87 bgMagicEVStartspells.esp [Version 1.55EV]
88 bgMagicEVAddEnVar.esp [Version 1.61EV]
89 Poison Combiner.esp
8A EnchantmentRestore.esp
8B EnchantmentRestore_Wells.esp
8C ZumbsLockpickingMod - OBSE.esp
8D No psychic guards v1.2.esp
8E Denock Arrows.esp
8F EnhancedWeather.esp [Version 1.2.1]
90 EnhancedWeather - Enhanced Seasons.esp [Version 1.2.1]
91 Atmospheric Loading Screens - No Text.esp
92 Francesco's 10 days respawn time - 1-16 day lenght rescale.esp
93 bgMagicEVShader.esp [Version 1.6EV]
94 bgMagicLightningbolt.esp
95 Real Lava 1.3.esp
96 Mart's Monster Mod - GhostApparitionFix.esp
97 LtPD+NRB4+UL-II Patch.esp [Version 1.2]
98 AProvostOfTheNineDivines_1.esp
99 Armamentarium Fixes.esp [Version 1.1.2b]
9A ScreenControls.esp
9B Duke Patricks - Near Miss Magic And Arrow Shots Alert The Target.esp
9C Duke Patricks - Fresh Kills Now Alert The NPCs.esp
9D Duke Patricks - NPC MAGIC and Arrows Can Miss Now.esp
9E Duke Patricks - Smash of the Titans.esp
9F Duke Patricks - All NPC Or Just Vampires Now Bob And Weave.esp
A0 All-killable.esp
A1 Bashed Patch, 0.esp
A2 Duke Patricks - BASIC Script Effect Silencer BETA.esp

bben46
Nov 11 2008, 12:47 AM
The crash to desktop on exit is fairly normal. You can track down which mod(s) cause it, but it will be some mod you can't live without. And probably several mods will cause it.
Levee Breaker
Nov 11 2008, 01:04 AM
That's what I've heard.

Also, I've looked at quite a few optimization guides. Nothing changing graphics, but using hardware more efficiently. It's said things about a line in the .ini:


Note: Upping iPreloadSizeLimit is required to prevent crashing with the extra grids in memory. The last two lines all but fix water reflection corruption. Note load times *will* increase, but it's well worth it.
Note: A value called uExteriorCellBuffer will adjust automatically to a minimum 64. This setting and iPreloadSizeLimit also affect performance, see Part 2.
Note: If you use the 4096x4096 texutres, or have a 2G machine, try a value of 209715200 or more for iPreloadSizeLimit.

I can't find the preload line, at all. Does anyone have an .ini that's tricked out (like, I have no idea what quadratic lighting settings to use) that I can look at? Here's mine as it stands:

CODE
[General]
SStartingCell=

SStartingCellY=
SStartingCellX=
SStartingWorld=

STestFile10=
STestFile9=
STestFile8=
STestFile7=
STestFile6=
STestFile5=
STestFile4=
STestFile3=
STestFile2=
STestFile1=

bEnableProfile=0
bDrawSpellContact=0
bRunMiddleLowLevelProcess=1
iHoursToSleep=3
bActorLookWithHavok=0
SMainMenuMusicTrack=special\tes4title.mp3
bUseEyeEnvMapping=1
bFixFaceNormals=0
bUseFaceGenHeads=1
bFaceMipMaps=1
bFaceGenTexturing=1
bDefaultCOCPlacement=0
uGridDistantTreeRange=15
uGridDistantCount=25
uGridsToLoad=5
fGlobalTimeMultiplier=1.0000
bNewAnimation=1
fAnimationDefaultBlend=0.1000
fAnimationMult=1.0000
bFixAIPackagesOnLoad=0
bForceReloadOnEssentialCharacterDeath=1
bKeepPluginWhenMerging=0
bCreate Maps Enable=0
SLocalSavePath=Saves\
SLocalMasterPath=Data\
bDisableDuplicateReferenceCheck=1
bTintMipMaps=0
uInterior Cell Buffer=3
uExterior Cell Buffer=36
iIntroSequencePriority=3
bPreloadIntroSequence=1
fStaticScreenWaitTime=3.0000
SCreditsMenuMovie=CreditsMenu.bik
SMainMenuMovie=Map loop.bik
SMainMenuMovieIntro=Oblivion iv logo.bik
SIntroSequence=bethesda softworks HD720p.bik,2k games.bik,game studios.bik,Oblivion Legal.bik
iFPSClamp=0
bRunVTuneTest=0
STestFile1=
bActivateAllQuestScripts=0
fQuestScriptDelayTime=5.0000
SMainMenuMusic=Special\TES4Title.mp3
bUseThreadedBlood=0
bUseThreadedMorpher=0
bExternalLODDataFiles=1
bBorderRegionsEnabled=0
bDisableHeadTracking=0
bTrackAllDeaths=0
SCharGenQuest=0002466E
uiFaceGenMaxEGTDataSize=67108864
uiFaceGenMaxEGMDataSize=67108864
SBetaCommentFileName=
bCheckCellOffsetsOnInit=0
bCreateShaderPackage=0
uGridDistantTreeRangeCity=4
uGridDistantCountCity=4
bWarnOnMissingFileEntry=0
iSaveGameBackupCount=1
bDisplayMissingContentDialogue=1
SSaveGameSafeCellID=2AEEA
bAllowScriptedAutosave=1
bPreemptivelyUnloadCells=0
bCheckIDsOnInit=0
iNumBitsForFullySeen=248
iPreloadSizeLimit=26214400
SOblivionIntro=OblivionIntro.bik
bUseHardDriveCache=1
bEnableBoundingVolumeOcclusion=0
bDisplayBoundingVolumes=0
bUseThreadedTempEffects=0
bUseThreadedParticleSystem=0
bUseMyGamesDirectory=1


[Display]
uVideoDeviceIdentifierPart1=3619102270
uVideoDeviceIdentifierPart2=298796356
uVideoDeviceIdentifierPart3=621767685
uVideoDeviceIdentifierPart4=902480386
fDecalLifetime=10.0000
bEquippedTorchesCastShadows=0
bReportBadTangentSpace=0
bStaticMenuBackground=1
bForcePow2Textures=0
bForce1XShaders=0
bHighQuality20Lighting=0
bAllow20HairShader=1
bAllowScreenShot=0
iMultiSample=0
bDoTallGrassEffect=1
bForceMultiPass=1
bDoTexturePass=1
bDoSpecularPass=1
bDoDiffusePass=1
bDoAmbientPass=1
bDoCanopyShadowPass=1
bDrawShadows=0
bUseRefractionShader=1
bUse Shaders=1
iNPatchNOrder=0
iNPatchPOrder=0
iNPatches=0
iLocation Y=0
iLocation X=0
bFull Screen=1
iSize W=1680
iSize H=1050
iAdapter=0
iScreenShotIndex=0
SScreenShotBaseName=ScreenShot
iAutoViewMinDistance=2000
iAutoViewHiFrameRate=40
iAutoViewLowFrameRate=20
bAutoViewDistance=0
fDefaultFOV=75.0000
fNearDistance=10.0000
fFarDistance=10000.0000
iDebugTextLeftRightOffset=10
iDebugTextTopBottomOffset=10
bShowMenuTextureUse=1
iDebugText=2
bLocalMapShader=1
bDoImageSpaceEffects=1
fShadowLOD2=400.0000
fShadowLOD1=200.0000
fLightLOD2=1500.0000
fLightLOD1=1000.0000
fSpecularLOD2=1300.0000
fSpecularLOD1=1000.0000
fEnvMapLOD2=800.0000
fEnvMapLOD1=500.0000
fEyeEnvMapLOD2=190.0000
fEyeEnvMapLOD1=130.0000
iPresentInterval=1
iShadowFilter=2
iActorShadowCountExt=10
iActorShadowCountInt=10
bActorSelfShadowing=1
bShadowsOnGrass=1
bDynamicWindowReflections=1
iTexMipMapSkip=0
fGrassStartFadeDistance=0.0
fGrassEndDistance=0.0
bDecalsOnSkinnedGeometry=1
bFullBrightLighting=0
iMaxLandscapeTextures=0
bLODPopActors=0
bLODPopItems=0
bLODPopObjects=0
fSpecualrStartMax=1000.0000
fSpecularStartMin=0.0000
iActorShadowIntMax=10
iActorShadowIntMin=0
iActorShadowExtMax=10
iActorShadowExtMin=0
fGammaMax=0.6000
fGammaMin=1.4000
iMaxDecalsPerFrame=10
bLandscapeBlend=1
fShadowFadeTime=1.0000
fGamma=1.1840
bAllowPartialPrecision=1
iShadowMapResolution=1024
bAllow30Shaders=0
iTexMipMapMinimum=0
bDoStaticAndArchShadows=0
bDoActorShadows=0
bIgnoreResolutionCheck=0
fNoLODFarDistancePct=1.0000
fNoLODFarDistanceMax=10240.0000
fNoLODFarDistanceMin=1700.0000



[Controls]
fVersion=1.8000
Forward=0011FFFF
Back=001FFFFF
Slide Left=001EFFFF
Slide Right=0020FFFF
Use=00FF00FF
Activate=0039FFFF
Block=003801FF
Cast=002EFFFF
Ready Item=0021FFFF
Crouch/Sneak=001DFFFF
Run=002AFFFF
Always Run=003AFFFF
Auto Move=0010FFFF
Jump=0012FFFF
Toggle POV=001302FF
Menu Mode=000FFFFF
Rest=0014FFFF
Quick Menu=003BFFFF
Quick1=0002FFFF
Quick2=0003FFFF
Quick3=0004FFFF
Quick4=0005FFFF
Quick5=0006FFFF
Quick6=0007FFFF
Quick7=0008FFFF
Quick8=0009FFFF
QuickSave=003FFFFF
QuickLoad=0043FFFF
Grab=002CFFFF
bInvertYValues=0
fXenonLookXYMult=0.0005
fMouseSensitivity=0.0020
;X = 1, Y = 2, Z = 3, XRot = 4, YRot = 5, ZRot = 6
iJoystickMoveFrontBack=2
iJoystickMoveLeftRight=1
fJoystickMoveFBMult=1.0000
fJoystickMoveLRMult=1.0000
iJoystickLookUpDown=6
iJoystickLookLeftRight=3
fJoystickLookUDMult=0.0020
fJoystickLookLRMult=0.0020
fXenonMenuMouseXYMult=0.0003
bBackground Mouse=0
bBackground Keyboard=0
bUse Joystick=1
fXenonLookMult=0.0030
fXenonMenuStickSpeedMaxMod=5.0000
iXenonMenuStickSpeedThreshold=20000
iXenonMenuStickThreshold=1000
;Language values: 0-English, 1-German, 2-French, 3-Spanish, 4-Italian
iLanguage=0
SlideLeft=001EFFFF
SlideRight=0020FFFF
fXenonMenuStickMapCursorMinSpeed=1.0000
fXenonMenuStickMapCursorMaxSpeed=15.0000
fXenonMenuStickMapCursorGamma=0.1700
fXenonMenuStickSpeedPlayerRotMod=3000.0000
fXenonMenuDpadRepeatSpeed=300.0000
fXenonMenuStickSpeed=300.0000
iXenonMenuStickDeadZone=15000


[Water]
fAlpha=0.5000
uSurfaceTextureSize=128
SSurfaceTexture=water
SNearWaterOutdoorID=NearWaterOutdoorLoop
SNearWaterIndoorID=NearWaterIndoorLoop
fNearWaterOutdoorTolerance=1024.0000
fNearWaterIndoorTolerance=512.0000
fNearWaterUnderwaterVolume=0.9000
fNearWaterUnderwaterFreq=0.3000
uNearWaterPoints=8
uNearWaterRadius=1000
uSurfaceFrameCount=32
uSurfaceFPS=12
bUseWaterReflectionsMisc=0
bUseWaterReflectionsStatics=0
bUseWaterReflectionsTrees=0
bUseWaterReflectionsActors=0
bUseWaterReflections=1
bUseWaterHiRes=1
bUseWaterDisplacements=1
bUseWaterShader=1
uDepthRange=125
bUseWaterDepth=1
bUseWaterLOD=1
fTileTextureDivisor=4.7500
fSurfaceTileSize=2048.0000
uNumDepthGrids=3

[Audio]
bDSoundHWAcceleration=1
fMinSoundVel=10.0000
fMetalLargeMassMin=25.0000
fMetalMediumMassMin=8.0000
fStoneLargeMassMin=30.0000
fStoneMediumMassMin=5.0000
fWoodLargeMassMin=15.0000
fWoodMediumMassMin=7.0000
fDialogAttenuationMax=35.0000
fDialogAttenuationMin=7.7500
bUseSoundDebugInfo=1
fUnderwaterFrequencyDelta=0.0000
bUseSoftwareAudio3D=0
fDefaultEffectsVolume=0.8500
fDefaultMusicVolume=0.8100
fDefaultFootVolume=0.0700
fDefaultVoiceVolume=0.8000
fDefaultMasterVolume=1.0000
bMusicEnabled=1
bSoundEnabled=1
fLargeWeaponWeightMin=25.0000
fMediumWeaponWeightMin=8.0000
fSkinLargeMassMin=30.0000
fSkinMediumMassMin=5.0000
fChainLargeMassMin=30.0000
fChainMediumMassMin=5.0000
fDBVoiceAttenuationIn2D=0.0000
iCollisionSoundTimeDelta=50
fGlassLargeMassMin=25.0000
fGlassMediumMassMin=8.0000
fClothLargeMassMin=25.0000
fClothMediumMassMin=8.0000
fEarthLargeMassMin=30.0000
fEarthMediumMassMin=5.0000
bUseSpeedForWeaponSwish=1
fLargeWeaponSpeedMax=0.9500
fMediumWeaponSpeedMax=1.1000
fPlayerFootVolume=0.9000
fDSoundRolloffFactor=4.0000
fMaxFootstepDistance=1100.0000
fHeadroomdB=2.0000
iMaxImpactSoundCount=32
fMainMenuMusicVolume=0.6000


[ShockBolt]
bDebug=0
fGlowColorB=1.0000
fGlowColorG=0.6000
fGlowColorR=0.0000
fCoreColorB=1.0000
fCoreColorG=1.0000
fCoreColorR=1.0000
fCastVOffset=-10.0000
iNumBolts=7
fBoltGrowWidth=1.0000
fBoltSmallWidth=3.0000
fTortuosityVariance=8.0000
fSegmentVariance=35.0000
fBoltsRadius=24.0000

[Pathfinding]
bDrawPathsDefault=0
bPathMovementOnly=0
bDrawSmoothFailures=0
bDebugSmoothing=0
bSmoothPaths=1
bSnapToAngle=0
bDebugAvoidance=0
bDisableAvoidance=0
bBackgroundPathing=0
bUseBackgroundPathing=1

[MAIN]
bEnableBorderRegion=1
fLowPerfCombatantVoiceDistance=1000.0000
iDetectionHighNumPicks=40
fQuestScriptDelayTime=5.0000
iLastHDRSetting=-1


[Combat]
bEnableBowZoom=1
bDebugCombatAvoidance=0
fMinBloodDamage=1.0000
fHitVectorDelay=0.4000
iShowHitVector=0
fLowPerfNPCTargetLOSTimer=1.0000
fHiPerfNPCTargetLOSTimer=0.5000
iMaxHiPerfNPCTargetCount=4
fLowPerfPCTargetLOSTimer=0.5000
fHiPerfPCTargetLOSTimer=0.2500
iMaxHiPerfPCTargetCount=4
iMaxHiPerfCombatCount=4


[HAVOK]
bDisablePlayerCollision=0
fJumpAnimDelay=0.7500
bTreeTops=0
iSimType=1
bPreventHavokAddAll=0
bPreventHavokAddClutter=0
fMaxTime=0.0167
bHavokDebug=0
fRF=1000.0000
fOD=0.9000
fSE=0.3000
fSD=0.9800
iResetCounter=5
fMoveLimitMass=95.0000
iUpdateType=0
bHavokPick=0
fCameraCasterSize=1.0000
iHavokSkipFrameCountTEST=0
fHorseRunGravity=3.0000
fQuadrupedPitchMult=1.0000
iNumHavokThreads=1
fChaseDeltaMult=0.0500
iEntityBatchRemoveRate=100
iMaxPicks=40
bAddBipedWhenKeyframed=0


[Interface]
fDlgLookMult=0.3000
fDlgLookAdj=0.0000
fDlgLookDegStop=0.2000
fDlgLookDegStart=2.0000
fDlgFocus=2.1000
fKeyRepeatInterval=50.0000
fKeyRepeatTime=500.0000
fActivatePickSphereRadius=16.0000
fMenuModeAnimBlend=0.0000
iSafeZoneX=20
iSafeZoneY=20
iSafeZoneXWide=20
iSafeZoneYWide=20
fMenuPlayerLightDiffuseBlue=0.8000
fMenuPlayerLightDiffuseGreen=0.8000
fMenuPlayerLightDiffuseRed=0.8000
fMenuPlayerLightAmbientBlue=0.2500
fMenuPlayerLightAmbientGreen=0.2500
fMenuPlayerLightAmbientRed=0.2500
bAllowConsole=1
bActivatePickUseGamebryoPick=0
iMaxViewCasterPicksGamebryo=10
iMaxViewCasterPicksHavok=10
iMaxViewCasterPicksFuzzy=5
bUseFuzzyPicking=1
fMenuBGBlurRadius=2.0000

[LoadingBar]
iMoveBarWaitingMilliseconds=10
iMoveBarChaseMilliseconds=100
iMoveBarMaxMilliseconds=2500
fLoadingSlideDelay=15.0000
fPercentageOfBar3=0.1500
fPercentageOfBar2=0.4400
fPercentageOfBar1=0.3500
fPercentageOfBar0=0.0600
bShowSectionTimes=0

[Menu]
fCreditsScrollSpeed=40.0000
iConsoleTextYPos=890
iConsoleTextXPos=30
iConsoleVisibleLines=15
iConsoleHistorySize=50
rDebugTextColor=255,251,233
iConsoleFont=3
iDebugTextFont=3



[GamePlay]
bDisableDynamicCrosshair=0
bSaveOnTravel=1
bSaveOnWait=1
bSaveOnRest=1
bCrossHair=1
iDifficultyLevel=50
bGeneralSubtitles=1
bDialogueSubtitles=1
bInstantLevelUp=0
bHealthBarShowing=0
fHealthBarFadeOutSpeed=1.0000
fHealthBarSpeed=80.0000
fHealthBarHeight=4.0000
fHealthBarWidth=40.0000
fHealthBarEmittanceFadeTime=0.5000
fHealthBarEmittanceTime=1.5000
STrackLevelUpPath=
fDifficulty=0.0000
bTrackLevelUps=1
bAllowHavokGrabTheLiving=0
bEssentialTakeNoDamage=1
iDetectionPicks=21
bSaveOnInteriorExteriorSwitch=1


[Fonts]
sfontfile_1=Data\Fonts\DarN_LaBrit_28.fnt
sfontfile_2=Data\Fonts\DarN_LG_Kingthings_Petrock_14.fnt
sfontfile_3=Data\Fonts\DarN_LG_Kingthings_Petrock_18.fnt
sfontfile_4=Data\Fonts\DarN_Oblivion_28.fnt
SFontFile_5=Data\Fonts\Handwritten.fnt


[SpeedTree]
iTreeClonesAllowed=1
fCanopyShadowGrassMult=1.0000
iCanopyShadowScale=512
fTreeForceMaxBudAngle=-1.0000
fTreeForceMinBudAngle=-1.0000
fTreeForceLeafDimming=-1.0000
fTreeForceBranchDimming=-1.0000
fTreeForceCS=-1.0000
fTreeForceLLA=-1.0000
fTreeLODExponent=1.0000
bEnableTrees=1
bForceFullLOD=1
fLODTreeMipMapLODBias=-0.7500
fLocalTreeMipMapLODBias=-0.2500


[Debug]
bDebugFaceGenCriticalSection=0
bDebugFaceGenMultithreading=0
bDebugSaveBuffer=0


[BackgroundLoad]
bBackgroundLoadLipFiles=0
bLoadBackgroundFaceGen=0
bUseMultiThreadedFaceGen=1
bBackgroundCellLoads=1
bLoadHelmetsInBackground=1
iAnimationClonePerLoop=5
bSelectivePurgeUnusedOnFastTravel=0
bUseMultiThreadedTrees=1
iPostProcessMillisecondsEditor=50
iPostProcessMillisecondsLoadingQueuedPriority=20
iPostProcessMilliseconds=5
bUseBackgroundFileLoader=0


[LOD]
fLodDistance=500.0000
bUseFaceGenLOD=0
iLODTextureTiling=2
iLODTextureSizePow2=8
fLODNormalTextureBlend=0.5000
bDisplayLODLand=1
bDisplayLODBuildings=1
bDisplayLODTrees=1
bLODPopTrees=0
bLODPopActors=0
bLODPopItems=0
bLODPopObjects=0
fLODFadeOutMultActors=15.0000
fLODFadeOutMultItems=15.0000
fLODFadeOutMultObjects=15.0000
fLODMultLandscape=1.0000
fLODMultTrees=2.0000
fLODMultActors=5.0000
fLODMultItems=5.0000
fLODMultObjects=5.0000
iFadeNodeMinNearDistance=400
fLODFadeOutPercent=0.9000
fLODBoundRadiusMult=3.0000
fTalkingDistance=2000.0000

fTreeLODMax=2.0000
fTreeLODMin=0.0200
fTreeLODDefault=1.2000
fObjectLODMax=15.0000
fObjectLODMin=1.0000
fObjectLODDefault=5.0000
fItemLODMax=15.0000
fItemLODMin=1.0000
fItemLODDefault=2.0000
fActorLODMax=15.0000
fActorLODMin=2.0000
fActorLODDefault=5.0000
bLODUseCombinedLandNormalMaps=1
bForceHideLODLand=0
fLODQuadMinLoadDistance=65536.0000
fLODFadeOutActorMultInterior=1.0000
fLODFadeOutItemMultInterior=1.0000
fLODFadeOutObjectMultInterior=1.0000
fLODFadeOutActorMultCity=1.0000
fLODFadeOutItemMultCity=1.0000
fLODFadeOutObjectMultCity=1.0000
fLODFadeOutActorMultComplex=1.0000
fLODFadeOutItemMultComplex=1.0000
fLODFadeOutObjectMultComplex=1.0000
fLODLandVerticalBias=0.0000

[Weather]
fSunGlareSize=350.0000
fSunBaseSize=250.0000
bPrecipitation=1
fAlphaReduce=1.0000
SBumpFadeColor=255,255,255,255
SLerpCloseColor=255,255,255,255
SEnvReduceColor=255,255,255,255

[Voice]
SFileTypeLTF=ltf
SFileTypeLip=lip
SFileTypeSource=wav
SFileTypeGame=mp3


[Grass]
iMinGrassSize=40
fGrassEndDistance=8000.0000
fGrassStartFadeDistance=7000.0000
bGrassPointLighting=0
bDrawShaderGrass=1
iGrassDensityEvalSize=2
iMaxGrassTypesPerTexure=2
fWaveOffsetRange=1.7500
fGrassWindMagnitudeMax=125.0000
fGrassWindMagnitudeMin=5.0000
fTexturePctThreshold=0.3000

[Landscape]
bCurrentCellOnly=0
bPreventSafetyCheck=0
fLandTextureTilingMult=2.0000
fLandFriction=2.5000
iLandBorder2B=0
iLandBorder2G=0
iLandBorder2R=0
iLandBorder1B=0
iLandBorder1G=255
iLandBorder1R=255


[bLightAttenuation]
fQuadraticRadiusMult=1.0000
fLinearRadiusMult=1.0000
bOutQuadInLin=0
fConstantValue=0.0000
fQuadraticValue=16.0000
fLinearValue=3.0000
uQuadraticMethod=2
uLinearMethod=1
fFlickerMovement=8.0000
bUseQuadratic=1
bUseLinear=0
bUseConstant=0


[BlurShaderHDRInterior]
fTargetLUM=1.0000
fUpperLUMClamp=1.0000
fEmissiveHDRMult=1.0000
fEyeAdaptSpeed=0.5000
fBrightScale=2.2500
fBrightClamp=0.2250
fBlurRadius=7.0000
iNumBlurpasses=1


[BlurShaderHDR]
fTargetLUM=1.2000
fUpperLUMClamp=1.0000
fGrassDimmer=1.3000
fTreeDimmer=1.2000
fEmissiveHDRMult=1.0000
fEyeAdaptSpeed=0.7000
fSunlightDimmer=1.3000
fSIEmmisiveMult=1.0000
fSISpecularMult=1.0000
fSkyBrightness=0.5000
fSunBrightness=0.0000
fBrightScale=1.5000
fBrightClamp=0.3500
fBlurRadius=4.0000
iNumBlurpasses=2
iBlendType=2
bDoHighDynamicRange=1


[BlurShader]
fSunlightDimmer=1.0000
fSIEmmisiveMult=1.0000
fSISpecularMult=1.0000
fSkyBrightness=0.5000
fSunBrightness=0.0000
fAlphaAddExterior=0.2000
fAlphaAddInterior=0.5000
iBlurTexSize=256
fBlurRadius=0.0300
iNumBlurpasses=1
iBlendType=2
bUseBlurShader=0


[GethitShader]
fBlurAmmount=0.5000
fBlockedTexOffset=0.0010
fHitTexOffset=0.0050
[MESSAGES]
bBlockMessageBoxes=0
bSkipProgramFlows=1
bAllowYesToAll=1
bDisableWarning=1
iFileLogging=0
bSkipInitializationFlows=1
[DistantLOD]
bUseLODLandData=0
fFadeDistance=12288.0000
iDistantLODGroupWidth=8
[GeneralWarnings]
SGeneralMasterMismatchWarning=One or more plugins could not find the correct versions of the master files they depend on. Errors may occur during load or game play. Check the "Warnings.txt" file for more information.

SMasterMismatchWarning=One of the files that "%s" is dependent on has changed since the last save.
This may result in errors. Saving again will clear this message
but not necessarily fix any errors.

[Archive]
SMasterMiscArchiveFileName=Oblivion - Misc.bsa
SMasterVoicesArchiveFileName2=Oblivion - Voices2.bsa
SMasterVoicesArchiveFileName1=Oblivion - Voices1.bsa
SMasterSoundsArchiveFileName=Oblivion - Sounds.bsa
SMasterTexturesArchiveFileName1=Oblivion - Textures - Compressed.bsa
SMasterMeshesArchiveFileName=Oblivion - Meshes.bsa
SInvalidationFile=ArchiveInvalidation.txt
iRetainFilenameOffsetTable=1
iRetainFilenameStringTable=1
iRetainDirectoryStringTable=1
bCheckRuntimeCollisions=0
bInvalidateOlderFiles=1
bUseArchives=1
sArchiveList=..\obmm\BSARedirection.bsa, Oblivion - Meshes.bsa, Oblivion - Textures - Compressed.bsa, Oblivion - Sounds.bsa, Oblivion - Voices1.bsa, Oblivion - Voices2.bsa, Oblivion - Misc.bsa, FraNewItems.bsa
[CameraPath]
iTake=0
SDirectoryName=TestCameraPath
iFPS=60
SNif=Test\CameraPath.nif
[Absorb]
fAbsorbGlowColorB=1.0000
fAbsorbGlowColorG=0.6000
fAbsorbGlowColorR=0.0000
fAbsorbCoreColorB=1.0000
fAbsorbCoreColorG=1.0000
fAbsorbCoreColorR=1.0000
iAbsorbNumBolts=1
fAbsorbBoltGrowWidth=0.0000
fAbsorbBoltSmallWidth=7.0000
fAbsorbTortuosityVariance=2.0000
fAbsorbSegmentVariance=7.0000
fAbsorbBoltsRadius=5.0000
[OPENMP]
iThreads=9
iOpenMPLevel=10
[TestAllCells]
bFileShowTextures=1
bFileShowIcons=1
bFileSkipIconChecks=0
bFileTestLoad=0
bFileNeededMessage=1
bFileGoneMessage=1
bFileSkipModelChecks=0
bFileCheckModelCollision=0
[CopyProtectionStrings]
SCopyProtectionMessage2=Insert the Oblivion Disc.
SCopyProtectionTitle2=Oblivion Disc Not Found
SCopyProtectionMessage=Unable to find a CD-ROM/DVD drive on this computer.
SCopyProtectionTitle=CD-ROM Drive Not Found


I'm so very sorry for being so intuitive, I feel horrible, but I'm so new to Oblivion and I'm wanting to make sure I can make it as stable as all possible.

My hardware isn't much to do with it, I would think. 4GB RAM (4-4-4-12 timings), 9800GX2, 780i SLI mobo, E8400 CPU, and an X-FI X-Treme Gamer soundcard. 1TB Seagate HDD, with super quick cache...using Quarl's TP3R, optimized grass, have the GOTY Edition, Better Cities, al video options maxed out, UL, the woks, ya know...

So if anyone can tell me a thing or two about what I'm doing wrong, and a HUGE thanks to everyone who's helped me out already. bben46, do you have any idea if reordering the LO could/would fix any possible CTD causes, either while exiting or ingame while playing?

Levee Breaker
Nov 11 2008, 03:17 AM
Oh, yeah, now I'm also getting crashing on reloading, too.

Maaaaan.
bben46
Nov 11 2008, 05:53 PM
If you really want to get into the tweaking your game settings, the best help I've seen is this site http://www.tweakguides.com/

He keeps the site up to date and revises his guides on a regular basis.
The guy makes a lot of guides for games, plus he has system (non game) tweak guides and guides for different graphic cards as well. First go through the system guide for your system, then the video card tweaks and finally the game tweak guide.
I use his guides and have been well satisfied with the results.
He keeps the site up to date and revises his guides on a regular basis.

He has just posted a Fallout 3 guide also.
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