It appears that we now have a new president-elect here in the United States. Barrack Obama.
Now regardless for whom you voted, now is the time to unite. It is not the time to whine and cry....or take pot shots at the winners or losers in this election. It is time now to work together toward a better future.
Pay attention to what goes on in politics. Be a well-read and well-educated individual. If you do not agree with the government then continue to vote in elections local and national. Write to your congresspersons and senators. Protest and praise when needed.
However for this country to just continue on as it has would be a huge mistake....and the way this country has gone is by letting its government have free reign. No matter how much I like someone I will not simply sit back and no longer pay attention. I will continue to be educated and participate in the system. The government in the United States is of the people, for the people and by the people....so our future lies not just in a new president's hands...but in our own.
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Yeah, good for you, Comrade Obama!
-Dume
I'm joining the resistance.
-Dume
I'm joining the resistance.
We have just made history. We have overcome the racial differences that have divided us completely, and have transcended to a new level.
I have goosebumps. I never thought i'd see the day.
I have goosebumps. I never thought i'd see the day.
Ironic, Obama will be sworn in January 20, 2009. The year 2009 is the 100th anniversary of the founding of the NAACP. I guess it takes 100 years to finally get over past grudges. 
Due to age, this is the first election I've ever voted in, and I pride having my first vote be for a black man. That says a lot about the changes that have taken place over the past 100 years. Never would have seen a white suburban male do that before, eh? A celebration is in order! Let's reach across the partisan aisle and shake hands with our American brethren. As Biden said, I don't question a man's motives, I question his judgment. To me, even for those I disagree with, they're still Americans, and still citizens of the world and the Human race. Now together we can work toward a new future.
Someone in the CNN comments suggested McCain conceding and then asking for a position on Obama's cabinet. Well, the first part came through, and I wouldn't mind seeing the second. I do respect the guy, even if he has his caveats. I think that would be an honorable and groundbreaking gesture on his part.
Due to age, this is the first election I've ever voted in, and I pride having my first vote be for a black man. That says a lot about the changes that have taken place over the past 100 years. Never would have seen a white suburban male do that before, eh? A celebration is in order! Let's reach across the partisan aisle and shake hands with our American brethren. As Biden said, I don't question a man's motives, I question his judgment. To me, even for those I disagree with, they're still Americans, and still citizens of the world and the Human race. Now together we can work toward a new future.
Someone in the CNN comments suggested McCain conceding and then asking for a position on Obama's cabinet. Well, the first part came through, and I wouldn't mind seeing the second. I do respect the guy, even if he has his caveats. I think that would be an honorable and groundbreaking gesture on his part.
Hopefully Obama will lead America to a better future!
QUOTE(XanAlderon @ Nov 5 2008, 05:41 PM) 
Hopefully Obama will lead America to a better future!
We all hope that, though, truth-be-told, I think many people just hope he at-least does a better job than his predecessor.
Sorry to see McCain vanish; there were a few things I liked about him. If Obama is really savvy, he'll keep him on-tap as an advisor.
Palin, on the other hand, should just... Go... Home.
And maybe read some newspapers, or even a real book besides The Bible.
QUOTE(humanbean234 @ Nov 5 2008, 03:14 AM)
We all hope that, though, truth-be-told, I think many people just hope he at-least does a better job than his predecessor.
Sorry to see McCain vanish; there were a few things I liked about him. If Obama is really savvy, he'll keep him on-tap as an advisor.
Palin, on the other hand, should just... Go... Home.
And maybe read some newspapers, or even a real book besides The Bible.
Sorry to see McCain vanish; there were a few things I liked about him. If Obama is really savvy, he'll keep him on-tap as an advisor.
Palin, on the other hand, should just... Go... Home.
And maybe read some newspapers, or even a real book besides The Bible.
I doubt McCain will vanish. He's getting old anyway, but I bet he'll stick around and I wouldn't be surprised if Obama keeps in touch. McCain's a smart guy. But for Palin, yes. Shooting wolves in the Alaskan forest out of a helicopter with an AK-47 is not my idea of the average American, no matter what she might claim, and neither is secretly funneling $20,000 in state funds so your daughters can vacation with you to political and non-political events around the US... even when they're not invited. Soccer mom? Yeah, right.
I'd say the worldwide reaction is incredibly telling as well. Many of the most important foreign leaders have sent messages to Obama directly saying that they look forward to working with him, and the stock market around the globe is starting to bounce back up a little. Can't say for sure now, but I bet it'll continue. It feels like the world is saying, "Oh thank God, the USA is finally back. That's a relief." You know, if this continues, I might actually be able to say I'm an American in chat or on forums without feeling embarrassed.
What a day to live through, and what a day to watch develop. Change has come to America, and what a good thing; we're a nation built on changing for the advocating of freedom. Most importantly, we never do so quietly. When changes are to be made, we do it loudly, proudly, and openly. On this historic day, we say, "Screw racism, I don't care if he's purple if he can get the job done," and that's what I like to see.
Well I gotta say, congrats to Obama, for a huge victory and success. Hopefully, our economy could finally rest from war, or at least we hope that is.
I agree totally with Lisnpuppy's words, no matter who is the winner, the people must participate and watch over governments work.
But personally, i must say that i'm happy for you US people... It seems the Bush nightmare is over, and i hope this guy will be able to lead the world in more peaceful times. I hope you will fully regain your personal freeedoms as well, and that there will be no more the state of police that everyone tells me you are living in
P.S.
Tell Obama that my heart will be with him when, sooner or later, he will have to meet our pathetic plastic dwarf!
But personally, i must say that i'm happy for you US people... It seems the Bush nightmare is over, and i hope this guy will be able to lead the world in more peaceful times. I hope you will fully regain your personal freeedoms as well, and that there will be no more the state of police that everyone tells me you are living in
P.S.
Tell Obama that my heart will be with him when, sooner or later, he will have to meet our pathetic plastic dwarf!
QUOTE(Sniperwhere @ Nov 5 2008, 07:28 AM)
We have just made history. We have overcome the racial differences that have divided us completely, and have transcended to a new level.
Only one thing to say to that: DKDI.
The really great thing about this election is the huge turnout. Elections on both sides of the pond have tended to see poor turnouts of late, but it's good to see people realising that their votes can make a difference.
However, see the forums on the Fox News website for some truly vile, if not downright crazy, reactions to Obama's success (he's literally the antichrist, no less) from some (frequently illiterate) extremists. I wonder if they'd have been anywhere near as nasty if the Democrat's candidate had been the standard-issue white male.
However, see the forums on the Fox News website for some truly vile, if not downright crazy, reactions to Obama's success (he's literally the antichrist, no less) from some (frequently illiterate) extremists. I wonder if they'd have been anywhere near as nasty if the Democrat's candidate had been the standard-issue white male.
I'm just glad that the election is over... people get so pissed about politics, I got kicked out of Target 5 times because I'm a Demopublican. Gratz to Obama.
QUOTE(roquefort @ Nov 5 2008, 02:55 PM)
The really great thing about this election is the huge turnout. Elections on both sides of the pond have tended to see poor turnouts of late, but it's good to see people realising that their votes can make a difference.
However, see the forums on the Fox News website for some truly vile, if not downright crazy, reactions to Obama's success (he's literally the antichrist, no less) from some (frequently illiterate) extremists. I wonder if they'd have been anywhere near as nasty if the Democrat's candidate had been the standard-issue white male.
Probably not. Or at least, they would have maintained some respect while tearing down the President if he were white. Racism isn't gone yet, its just on the way out.However, see the forums on the Fox News website for some truly vile, if not downright crazy, reactions to Obama's success (he's literally the antichrist, no less) from some (frequently illiterate) extremists. I wonder if they'd have been anywhere near as nasty if the Democrat's candidate had been the standard-issue white male.
Also; Fox News, what a joke. I mean no network is truly "Fair and balanced", but Fox News is particularly bad about it. Not surprised their forums attracted tons of hate.
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Probably not. Or at least, they would have maintained some respect while tearing down the President if he were white.
Excuse me but where have you been in the last eight years? Maintained respect? Where is the level of respect that the holder of the office of the president of the United States of America deserves when it comes to Bush?
cocked,locked and ready to rock
I wore an arm-band of mourning to work today....
QUOTE(exanimis @ Nov 5 2008, 06:01 PM)
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Probably not. Or at least, they would have maintained some respect while tearing down the President if he were white.
Excuse me but where have you been in the last eight years? Maintained respect? Where is the level of respect that the holder of the office of the president of the United States of America deserves when it comes to Bush?
The reasons behind the two instances are perhaps a bit different, and I think Bush only really started getting flak after he started acting questionably. How he got elected for a second term I don't know; I think people were just too afraid of terrorism. Now perhaps people realize that terrorism isn't as important as, say, basic country stability.
However, point taken. Myself, I regularly make fun of Bush. He looks to me like a decently nice, harmless guy. I'd watch football with him. But he certainly has no idea what he's doing in a position of that much power, and he's proven it. I'll be glad to be rid of him. And it doesn't hurt that I disagree with his parties policies as well; they are mostly aimed at helping those with high incomes and maintaining the status quo. The party is composed of CEOs, hicks, old people, and people who have been mislead by careful politician smooth-talking. (Small government helps the rich. Spreading the wealth helps the people. I think a lot of people don't understand that.)
Remember, part of the American way is to encourage regular complaint about the government and its leaders. I think the difference between these two instances is the motive. Many people make fun of Bush because he's easy to make fun of, but the people we're speaking of on the Fox News forums, they seem to be simply sore losers. Even after McCain (who seems to be a very respectable man) told them we need to rally, not divide. I saw a comment saying that they (the people on the site who were commenting) should try to make sure Obama has it just as hard as Bush had it. I think that's out of line. If he deserves it, go ahead, but it should not be done out of spite.
Closing note, I'm not really a very argumentative or grudge-holding person. As I said before, even if I disagree with a person's judgment, I'm still willing to shake hands with them as a fellow American, or even just a fellow human being.
As I stated in my opening...I encourage honest and thoughful debate...but how about we see what we all may do to know improve our lot in life. As Kennedy said, Ask not what your countrycan do for you, but what you can do for your country It is OUR government, OUR country. It was not ment and should not be that you may elect or not elect someone..then you sit down at your desk and complain and then do nothing.
If you do not like how Obama or any of the elected leaders do things then work to change them. And to those who think a single person can not make or at least start change....look no further than say Rose Parks....who simply decided not to give up a bus seat....and then tell me we can not make change.
If you do not like how Obama or any of the elected leaders do things then work to change them. And to those who think a single person can not make or at least start change....look no further than say Rose Parks....who simply decided not to give up a bus seat....and then tell me we can not make change.
QUOTE(moszibby @ Nov 6 2008, 02:07 AM)
I wore an arm-band of mourning to work today....
what else did arm band have on it?
I did much of the same that morning, go up rather mad.. thought on it that day. Got over it and lets move forward...
Yes, we must definitely watch our government. We must watch them as deer watch wolves.
Tell me, why is it that people think robbing and bullying their neighbors, and imprisoning or killing them if they resent it, it neighborly?
Both parties are enthusiastic bullies. You my friends here are not. You are decent people. So why do you support this kind of thing?
Should we support our government now? Absolutely not! No more than before! We should oppose it at all times without regard for which wing of the establishment is in control. We should show our love for each other by leaving each other alone. We should act like neighbors by treating each other with trust and respect. We should work to make the world a better place by leaving our neighbors free to pursue what makes them happy. We should do nothing but good to each other, instead of doing evil in the hopes that good might come.
Tell me, why is it that people think robbing and bullying their neighbors, and imprisoning or killing them if they resent it, it neighborly?
Both parties are enthusiastic bullies. You my friends here are not. You are decent people. So why do you support this kind of thing?
Should we support our government now? Absolutely not! No more than before! We should oppose it at all times without regard for which wing of the establishment is in control. We should show our love for each other by leaving each other alone. We should act like neighbors by treating each other with trust and respect. We should work to make the world a better place by leaving our neighbors free to pursue what makes them happy. We should do nothing but good to each other, instead of doing evil in the hopes that good might come.
QUOTE(tungol @ Nov 12 2008, 07:19 PM)
Yes, we must definitely watch our government. We must watch them as deer watch wolves.
Tell me, why is it that people think robbing and bullying their neighbors, and imprisoning or killing them if they resent it, it neighborly?
Both parties are enthusiastic bullies. You my friends here are not. You are decent people. So why do you support this kind of thing?
Should we support our government now? Absolutely not! No more than before! We should oppose it at all times without regard for which wing of the establishment is in control. We should show our love for each other by leaving each other alone. We should act like neighbors by treating each other with trust and respect. We should work to make the world a better place by leaving our neighbors free to pursue what makes them happy. We should do nothing but good to each other, instead of doing evil in the hopes that good might come.
Tell me, why is it that people think robbing and bullying their neighbors, and imprisoning or killing them if they resent it, it neighborly?
Both parties are enthusiastic bullies. You my friends here are not. You are decent people. So why do you support this kind of thing?
Should we support our government now? Absolutely not! No more than before! We should oppose it at all times without regard for which wing of the establishment is in control. We should show our love for each other by leaving each other alone. We should act like neighbors by treating each other with trust and respect. We should work to make the world a better place by leaving our neighbors free to pursue what makes them happy. We should do nothing but good to each other, instead of doing evil in the hopes that good might come.
You have no idea yet how Obama's administration is going to be. His platform was built on change so here's a thought - try a little optimism. There are plenty more decent people in the world besides the few here.
Cheers.
QUOTE(tungol @ Nov 13 2008, 03:19 AM)
Yes, we must definitely watch our government. We must watch them as deer watch wolves.
Tell me, why is it that people think robbing and bullying their neighbors, and imprisoning or killing them if they resent it, it neighborly?
Both parties are enthusiastic bullies. You my friends here are not. You are decent people. So why do you support this kind of thing?
Should we support our government now? Absolutely not! No more than before! We should oppose it at all times without regard for which wing of the establishment is in control. We should show our love for each other by leaving each other alone. We should act like neighbors by treating each other with trust and respect. We should work to make the world a better place by leaving our neighbors free to pursue what makes them happy. We should do nothing but good to each other, instead of doing evil in the hopes that good might come.
Tell me, why is it that people think robbing and bullying their neighbors, and imprisoning or killing them if they resent it, it neighborly?
Both parties are enthusiastic bullies. You my friends here are not. You are decent people. So why do you support this kind of thing?
Should we support our government now? Absolutely not! No more than before! We should oppose it at all times without regard for which wing of the establishment is in control. We should show our love for each other by leaving each other alone. We should act like neighbors by treating each other with trust and respect. We should work to make the world a better place by leaving our neighbors free to pursue what makes them happy. We should do nothing but good to each other, instead of doing evil in the hopes that good might come.
Anarchy doesn't work any better than any other form of government.
QUOTE(Michlo @ Nov 12 2008, 07:24 PM)
QUOTE(tungol @ Nov 12 2008, 07:19 PM)
Yes, we must definitely watch our government. We must watch them as deer watch wolves.
Tell me, why is it that people think robbing and bullying their neighbors, and imprisoning or killing them if they resent it, it neighborly?
Both parties are enthusiastic bullies. You my friends here are not. You are decent people. So why do you support this kind of thing?
Should we support our government now? Absolutely not! No more than before! We should oppose it at all times without regard for which wing of the establishment is in control. We should show our love for each other by leaving each other alone. We should act like neighbors by treating each other with trust and respect. We should work to make the world a better place by leaving our neighbors free to pursue what makes them happy. We should do nothing but good to each other, instead of doing evil in the hopes that good might come.
Tell me, why is it that people think robbing and bullying their neighbors, and imprisoning or killing them if they resent it, it neighborly?
Both parties are enthusiastic bullies. You my friends here are not. You are decent people. So why do you support this kind of thing?
Should we support our government now? Absolutely not! No more than before! We should oppose it at all times without regard for which wing of the establishment is in control. We should show our love for each other by leaving each other alone. We should act like neighbors by treating each other with trust and respect. We should work to make the world a better place by leaving our neighbors free to pursue what makes them happy. We should do nothing but good to each other, instead of doing evil in the hopes that good might come.
You have no idea yet how Obama's administration is going to be. His platform was built on change so here's a thought - try a little optimism. There are plenty more decent people in the world besides the few here.
Cheers.
I was going to respond to tungol directly, but Michlo made the best comment with not knowing how the Obama administration will be, which is the reason I will give him a chance. Now, that does not mean that I will be any less critical of him than I was of Dubya and that does not mean we show let government do whatever they want. It is important to keep an eye on the government to hold those politicians we support responsible for the claims they made during the election, to criticize those we oppose on the issues, and to make sure that all official, elected and unelected, abide by the Constitution, especially after eight years of neocon rule (six of which were without opposition and the other two had complicit opposition)Fixing Dubya's mess is going to be an uphill battle, and although I am pessimistic of Obama, I must admit his first steps of this journey of 1,000 miles have been in the right place by lifting the ban on stem cell research.
I have to agree with tungol that both parties are corrupt, as the saying goes, "We have two political parties for one upper class."
QUOTE(Omnimmotus @ Nov 5 2008, 01:22 AM)
Due to age, this is the first election I've ever voted in, and I pride having my first vote be for a black man.
This is EXACTLY why you shouldn't vote for a person, because of their color or creed. I think it's wonderful that we can elect a black man for president. But I firmly believe he was elected for one reason, because he's black. I've heard many people confess that's the only reason they voted for Obama. Not because of his stance on the current issues, or his future plans for this country, but because of his color, and that in my opinion, is just as racist as not voting for him because he's black.
For any of you who have declared that our struggle with "racism" is coming to an end, I suggest you re-evaluate what just happened in this election. We didn't blur the lines of racially-motivated discrimination, we just reinforced them. He's not a man, he's not the new president. He's a BLACK man. He's the new BLACK president.
I cannot support our new president-elect because of some very key issues, the least of which is socialized health care. Ask any country, especially Canada, if it works. They'll be the first to tell you that it has failed miserably. Not to mention the tax increase on our weakening economy.
Another huge problem I have with him is his self-admitted plan to regulate the coal industry to point of bankruptcy. This country gets 49% of its energy from coal plants and what do you think is going to happen when the cost of business just skyrocketed because some one wants to charge you exorbitant amounts of money due to regulation? What happens when the cost of business goes up? Does the company or corporation absorb it and reduce their profits? What happens when the industry responsible for 49% of the nation's power declares that it's bankrupt and can no longer provide energy? With no alternative in place, who's going to provide electricity to those people?
Just some food for thought.
-T-
I live in West Virginia...if you know anything about West Virginia you will know that it is COAL COUNTRY. However WV is one of the poorest states out there and has alot of pollution and enviromental damage thanks to coal and chemical companies...and since we are so poor...little in my opinion to show for it.
Here is the transcripts of Obama's comments. What he proposes is that coal factories or plants which run on coal will finally be responsible for the pollution damage they so. If they want to build a plant the current way..then it would bankrupt them...as Obama wished to make it more economically feasable to find a new and cleaner way that to just continue down the old. Do you really think the big coal companies and other plants will change thier behavior out of the goodness of thier hearts? Do you think that change will be easy? If we truely want to explore alternatives to fossil fuels and use the ones we have cleaner and better then it wont be a walk int he park. And like all things in government compromise is the key. Obama will present his wishes..then the oppositiona nd hoefully laws will be passed that improve what we now have (at the expense of the extremes happiness no doubt.)
Our own Govenor felt that there was a compromise to be made and his money came from coal.
So judge his comments for yourself.
Here's the transcript via Free Republic from his talk to the San Francisco Chronicle in January 2008:
Let me sort of describe my overall policy.
What I've said is that we would put a cap and trade system in place that is as aggressive, if not more aggressive, than anybody else's out there.
I was the first to call for a 100% auction on the cap and trade system, which means that every unit of carbon or greenhouse gases emitted would be charged to the polluter. That will create a market in which whatever technologies are out there that are being presented, whatever power plants that are being built, that they would have to meet the rigors of that market and the ratcheted down caps that are being placed, imposed every year.
So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can; it's just that it will bankrupt them because they're going to be charged a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas that's being emitted.
That will also generate billions of dollars that we can invest in solar, wind, biodiesel and other alternative energy approaches.
The only thing I've said with respect to coal, I haven't been some coal booster. What I have said is that for us to take coal off the table as a ideological matter as opposed to saying if technology allows us to use coal in a clean way, we should pursue it.
So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can.
It's just that it will bankrupt them."
Here is the transcripts of Obama's comments. What he proposes is that coal factories or plants which run on coal will finally be responsible for the pollution damage they so. If they want to build a plant the current way..then it would bankrupt them...as Obama wished to make it more economically feasable to find a new and cleaner way that to just continue down the old. Do you really think the big coal companies and other plants will change thier behavior out of the goodness of thier hearts? Do you think that change will be easy? If we truely want to explore alternatives to fossil fuels and use the ones we have cleaner and better then it wont be a walk int he park. And like all things in government compromise is the key. Obama will present his wishes..then the oppositiona nd hoefully laws will be passed that improve what we now have (at the expense of the extremes happiness no doubt.)
Our own Govenor felt that there was a compromise to be made and his money came from coal.
So judge his comments for yourself.
Here's the transcript via Free Republic from his talk to the San Francisco Chronicle in January 2008:
Let me sort of describe my overall policy.
What I've said is that we would put a cap and trade system in place that is as aggressive, if not more aggressive, than anybody else's out there.
I was the first to call for a 100% auction on the cap and trade system, which means that every unit of carbon or greenhouse gases emitted would be charged to the polluter. That will create a market in which whatever technologies are out there that are being presented, whatever power plants that are being built, that they would have to meet the rigors of that market and the ratcheted down caps that are being placed, imposed every year.
So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can; it's just that it will bankrupt them because they're going to be charged a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas that's being emitted.
That will also generate billions of dollars that we can invest in solar, wind, biodiesel and other alternative energy approaches.
The only thing I've said with respect to coal, I haven't been some coal booster. What I have said is that for us to take coal off the table as a ideological matter as opposed to saying if technology allows us to use coal in a clean way, we should pursue it.
So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can.
It's just that it will bankrupt them."
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Anarchy doesn't work any better than any other form of government.
(anarchy means no government rule... but its about the money not a fascist government or a marxist fuhrer which is the source of all evil)
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anyway i dont think it matters that much that canada has a new president...
I have invented, 3 new forms of Government, and a new religion, but what good are those if no one will help the Revolution?
Thanks for the enlightened post, Lisnpuppy.
I don't know about what everyone is so worried about. Honestly, I think Obama will make a much better president than say.. %&$! Cheney. For me, there's gonna be a load of change no matter what Obama does, 'cuz for alll of my life a Bush or a Clinton has been in office. Odd.
-Sal
-Sal
QUOTE(herosinger @ Nov 16 2008, 09:17 AM)
That is what happens when the false rumors about him being a "secret Muslim/Arab/Terrorist" were given seriousness. I think the racism is less anti-black and anti-multiracial, but rather more anti-Muslim and anti-Arab. This election has shown the ignorance of the American people of the Muslim world since people used the term Arab interchangeably with Muslim. It frightens me that a portion of the US still believes the "turban will go on" on election day; this whole election cycle has caused me to fear for the future of my country.
1) Anarchy is impossible. Any time more than one person is present, a system of rules (government) will be established between them. Even if it's "Give me all your M&Ms or I'll kill you".
2) There are more black Muslims than arab. Indonesia has the highest density of Muslims per capita in the world. It's basic knowledge.
I'm an American, BTW, and I don't like being referred to as ignorant. Most of our people aren't ignorant either. We are portrayed that way by the media, so that they may attempt to "enlighten" us. pffft...
3) Barrack Obama is just another puppet. A know-nothing nobody from nowhere bringing nothing to the table. The only thing he's talked about to any extent is himself.
Change? Hillary may as well have been elected, for all the Clintonites on board.
Real change would be executing the people responsible for robbing the treasury. That'd be sweet. Make it pay-per-view and donate the money to a fund for unemployment and those who have had their homes go into forclosure.
But no. All we get is four more years of an idiot who thinks he's better than everyone else, and that same stupid smirk. (Compare to Bush's. Eerily similar.)
Keep cheering on your favorite Republicrat though. Until you realise they are all the same, you're the ignorant one.
Know who'd make a kick ass prez? Tyler Durden. =D
2) There are more black Muslims than arab. Indonesia has the highest density of Muslims per capita in the world. It's basic knowledge.
I'm an American, BTW, and I don't like being referred to as ignorant. Most of our people aren't ignorant either. We are portrayed that way by the media, so that they may attempt to "enlighten" us. pffft...
3) Barrack Obama is just another puppet. A know-nothing nobody from nowhere bringing nothing to the table. The only thing he's talked about to any extent is himself.
Change? Hillary may as well have been elected, for all the Clintonites on board.
Real change would be executing the people responsible for robbing the treasury. That'd be sweet. Make it pay-per-view and donate the money to a fund for unemployment and those who have had their homes go into forclosure.
But no. All we get is four more years of an idiot who thinks he's better than everyone else, and that same stupid smirk. (Compare to Bush's. Eerily similar.)
Keep cheering on your favorite Republicrat though. Until you realise they are all the same, you're the ignorant one.
Know who'd make a kick ass prez? Tyler Durden. =D
You should see UK politicians. They may be different, but they're all lying. And I think its better Obama got in than McCain. If he died, then Sarah Palin! Oh hell no!
QUOTE(PrideAssassin @ Dec 29 2008, 08:47 AM)
1) Anarchy is impossible. Any time more than one person is present, a system of rules (government) will be established between them. Even if it's "Give me all your M&Ms or I'll kill you".
Actually, I agree with you completely. No absolute is ever truly possible.
QUOTE(PrideAssassin @ Dec 29 2008, 08:47 AM)
I'm an American, BTW, and I don't like being referred to as ignorant. Most of our people aren't ignorant either. We are portrayed that way by the media, so that they may attempt to "enlighten" us. pffft...
On this count, however, I disagree. I'm American as well, and I know many more ignorant people than intelligent. Have you ever held a job in which you had to interact with the general public?
QUOTE(PrideAssassin @ Dec 29 2008, 08:47 AM)
But no. All we get is four more years of an idiot who thinks he's better than everyone else, and that same stupid smirk. (Compare to Bush's. Eerily similar.)
A perfect example. The majority of Americans are conditioned to look down on anyone more talented than they are. It's a practice that encourages mediocrity.
QUOTE(herosinger @ Dec 30 2008, 07:02 PM)
On this count, however, I disagree. I'm American as well, and I know many more ignorant people than intelligent. Have you ever held a job in which you had to interact with the general public?
What I mean to say is we are no more or less ignorant than anyone else. EVERYONE is stupid, just in different areas. Some more than most.
QUOTE(herosinger @ Dec 30 2008, 07:02 PM)
A perfect example. The majority of Americans are conditioned to look down on anyone more talented than they are. It's a practice that encourages mediocrity.
Being the Democratic party's platform, I'd say roughly half.
QUOTE(PrideAssassin @ Dec 30 2008, 07:22 PM)
QUOTE(herosinger @ Dec 30 2008, 07:02 PM)
A perfect example. The majority of Americans are conditioned to look down on anyone more talented than they are. It's a practice that encourages mediocrity.
Being the Democratic party's platform, I'd say roughly half.
Are you referring to the lower-class and poor? Because, in my experience, they are actually more likely to respect those in power. I was actually referring more to rural conservatives.
QUOTE(herosinger @ Jan 3 2009, 12:37 AM)
QUOTE(PrideAssassin @ Dec 30 2008, 07:22 PM)
QUOTE(herosinger @ Dec 30 2008, 07:02 PM)
A perfect example. The majority of Americans are conditioned to look down on anyone more talented than they are. It's a practice that encourages mediocrity.
Being the Democratic party's platform, I'd say roughly half.
Are you referring to the lower-class and poor? Because, in my experience, they are actually more likely to respect those in power. I was actually referring more to rural conservatives.
What lower class/poor people do you know? rofl. I live in a mexican "villiage" in the ghetto. Around the corner is the asian trash, down the street from them are the black trash. Over on the east side is the white trash. You'd be hard pressed to find a handful of folks in my neighborhood who respect power or authority to any degree.
As far as rural folk go, they do what they do. They believe in local control. Nothing wrong with that. Not much of a "free" country if you have the feds telling you what to do. Especially since they really have nothing to do with anything you're doing. They can police themselves in a civil manner. Most of the time.
Unlike the ghetto trash I live with.
Of course, that's just my experience. For the record: My area (Stockton, CA) fluctuates between being #1 or #2 in California in terms of violent crime. Number 11 on the National scale.
If your Mom's got gold in her dentures, they'll shank her for it...
And to amend your statement, Americans are conditioned to question those in power, not those "more talented" whatever the hell that means.
QUOTE(PrideAssassin @ Dec 29 2008, 03:47 AM)
All we get is four more years of an idiot who thinks he's better than everyone else,
Nixon was impeached. Gerald Ford became president for two years. Other than Gerald Ford, and Kennedy (who was assassinated)no president in my fifty years of life has served less than eight years. That I know of. We will have President Obama for eight years unless the laws that prevent anyone from serving more than eight consecutive years is changed. Our new President is the greatest president this nation has ever had and the law may change so that he can lead us for more than eight years. Then again, some idiot could assassinate him in which case , cities, roads , parks and monuments will be named for him. He will be talked about for all time. 100 years from now school children will know the names of Washington, Lincoln and Obama. He will be preached about in churches as a god moreso than Martin Luther King. His politics do not matter, what he does for or to this country does not matter, all that matters is that he is the first African American president in U.S. history.
Like many, I do not believe the president to be anything more than a face. We hate Bush because the media told us too. Right from the start they constantly reported that he wasn't our president because he wasn't elected. We loved Clinton for the same reason, even today, if you pay attention to the media they refer to them as Mr. Bush or W and President Clinton. Bush isn't even respected by the media enough to be called President
Obama could run this country into the ground, destroy the economy and commit genocide against the American public and like good little automatons, we (the American public) will tell everyone, in eight years that Obama is the greatest president this nation ever had.
Stand in front of a mirror and practice what you are told
President Obama is the greatest president this country ever had
President Obama is the greatest president this country ever had
President Obama is the greatest president this country ever had
I doubt He will be remembered more than Martin luther King. Obama will be remembered. Partly because he's going to be president, and partly because of what he symbolises. That a black man has become president of the US is something quite amazing to those who can remember segregation and Jim Crow laws and all that. He will be remembered by black americans at least, whatever happens.
Time keeps on slippin', slippin', slippin',Into the future.
What Obamas election means to me is how far humanity has come from the very first human,who had humanities first conscious thought,to this very second that i am typing these words.The wave we are all riding at this very second is the same wave that the first conscious thought produced so many millions of years ago.What i find so elegant about his election is that it suggests that this wave we're riding is one of truth and is born out of humanities conscious concern for change that is in accord with justice.Obamas point in time is just one small point in an ever continuous movement toward a fate that is unknowable and we are only given small glimpses of what might be in our very short lifespans.Of course there are so many injustices one can point to in our world today that can obscure the smaller events that take place every second of every day.These smaller events,to my mind,are are the producers of change.These smaller events,i believe,more accurately describe where humanity is heading.
Someone mentioned Rosa Parks,her split second decision to refuse to move to another seat was but a small event,yet that decision had a huge effect on the consciousness of those living at that same point of time as she.
True empathy and open mindedness are the gifts of mind that could continue our journey toward a more just and enlightened future.The opposite,to humanities demise.
What Obamas election means to me is how far humanity has come from the very first human,who had humanities first conscious thought,to this very second that i am typing these words.The wave we are all riding at this very second is the same wave that the first conscious thought produced so many millions of years ago.What i find so elegant about his election is that it suggests that this wave we're riding is one of truth and is born out of humanities conscious concern for change that is in accord with justice.Obamas point in time is just one small point in an ever continuous movement toward a fate that is unknowable and we are only given small glimpses of what might be in our very short lifespans.Of course there are so many injustices one can point to in our world today that can obscure the smaller events that take place every second of every day.These smaller events,to my mind,are are the producers of change.These smaller events,i believe,more accurately describe where humanity is heading.
Someone mentioned Rosa Parks,her split second decision to refuse to move to another seat was but a small event,yet that decision had a huge effect on the consciousness of those living at that same point of time as she.
True empathy and open mindedness are the gifts of mind that could continue our journey toward a more just and enlightened future.The opposite,to humanities demise.
Rosa Parks didn't refuse to move to another seat. The bus was full and the white man thought it was his right to sit and told the first black person he saw to give up their seat. When we hear about those types of events we are shocked and disgusted. But we should realize that it was a different time with different beliefs and morals. When Hitler was elected, the German people didn't just become evil Jew hating Monsters over night, they thought that he was doing a good job. The average German citizen had no idea what was going on behind the scene. It was what was supposed to be done, the law said to report jews and the people did what their government wanted.
Obama has been elected and is our new President. I am proud to live in an America in a time when racial hatred and bigotry are in such a low state, a time when a man can get a job, ride a bus, buy a house and even become president regardless or without consideration of to what race he was born into. At the same time I have fears. Any bad publicity, any comment made against him will be viewed as racism. To come on this thread ans state that you don't like him for any reason will be viewed as racism. The secret service guards the president and every president is threatened some are attacked but a threat to Obama or an attempt on his life will be seen as a racial attack. I remember segregation, I remember the first black kid to go to school with me. I have witnessed most of the events that you call history. I remember a time when race didn't much matter and then OJ Simpson went on trial. That trial did more to destroy race relations than any one single event in history. It undid years of racial equality. Blacks saw it as an attack on a black man, whites saw it as an injustice. neither is right. It was a.n attack on the American people and we allowed it.
We don't hate each other because of the color of our skins. Who can control what color we will be born?
Maybe you have heard the phrase "People shouldn't be afraid of their governments, governments should be afraid of the people" I believe this statement should be true but their is another that much better fits the governments control of the American people.
Divide and conquer. As long as we argue about republicans and democrats, as long as we use words and phrases like Nigger, we are divided and can not stand united against any government.
I was with some friends the other day and they were talking about how all these mexicans have come here and taken all the good jobs. I remember white men standing around talking the same thing about blacks. My friends that were discussing that are black.
Obama has been elected and is our new President. I am proud to live in an America in a time when racial hatred and bigotry are in such a low state, a time when a man can get a job, ride a bus, buy a house and even become president regardless or without consideration of to what race he was born into. At the same time I have fears. Any bad publicity, any comment made against him will be viewed as racism. To come on this thread ans state that you don't like him for any reason will be viewed as racism. The secret service guards the president and every president is threatened some are attacked but a threat to Obama or an attempt on his life will be seen as a racial attack. I remember segregation, I remember the first black kid to go to school with me. I have witnessed most of the events that you call history. I remember a time when race didn't much matter and then OJ Simpson went on trial. That trial did more to destroy race relations than any one single event in history. It undid years of racial equality. Blacks saw it as an attack on a black man, whites saw it as an injustice. neither is right. It was a.n attack on the American people and we allowed it.
We don't hate each other because of the color of our skins. Who can control what color we will be born?
Maybe you have heard the phrase "People shouldn't be afraid of their governments, governments should be afraid of the people" I believe this statement should be true but their is another that much better fits the governments control of the American people.
Divide and conquer. As long as we argue about republicans and democrats, as long as we use words and phrases like Nigger, we are divided and can not stand united against any government.
I was with some friends the other day and they were talking about how all these mexicans have come here and taken all the good jobs. I remember white men standing around talking the same thing about blacks. My friends that were discussing that are black.
QUOTE(exanimis @ Jan 3 2009, 08:28 PM)
Rosa Parks didn't refuse to move to another seat. The bus was full and the white man thought it was his right to sit and told the first black person he saw to give up their seat. When we hear about those types of events we are shocked and disgusted. But we should realize that it was a different time with different beliefs and morals. When Hitler was elected, the German people didn't just become evil Jew hating Monsters over night, they thought that he was doing a good job. The average German citizen had no idea what was going on behind the scene. It was what was supposed to be done, the law said to report jews and the people did what their government wanted.
Obama has been elected and is our new President. I am proud to live in an America in a time when racial hatred and bigotry are in such a low state, a time when a man can get a job, ride a bus, buy a house and even become president regardless or without consideration of to what race he was born into. At the same time I have fears. Any bad publicity, any comment made against him will be viewed as racism. To come on this thread ans state that you don't like him for any reason will be viewed as racism. The secret service guards the president and every president is threatened some are attacked but a threat to Obama or an attempt on his life will be seen as a racial attack. I remember segregation, I remember the first black kid to go to school with me. I have witnessed most of the events that you call history. I remember a time when race didn't much matter and then OJ Simpson went on trial. That trial did more to destroy race relations than any one single event in history. It undid years of racial equality. Blacks saw it as an attack on a black man, whites saw it as an injustice. neither is right. It was a.n attack on the American people and we allowed it.
We don't hate each other because of the color of our skins. Who can control what color we will be born?
Maybe you have heard the phrase "People shouldn't be afraid of their governments, governments should be afraid of the people" I believe this statement should be true but their is another that much better fits the governments control of the American people.
Divide and conquer. As long as we argue about republicans and democrats, as long as we use words and phrases like Nigger, we are divided and can not stand united against any government.
I was with some friends the other day and they were talking about how all these mexicans have come here and taken all the good jobs. I remember white men standing around talking the same thing about blacks. My friends that were discussing that are black.
Obama has been elected and is our new President. I am proud to live in an America in a time when racial hatred and bigotry are in such a low state, a time when a man can get a job, ride a bus, buy a house and even become president regardless or without consideration of to what race he was born into. At the same time I have fears. Any bad publicity, any comment made against him will be viewed as racism. To come on this thread ans state that you don't like him for any reason will be viewed as racism. The secret service guards the president and every president is threatened some are attacked but a threat to Obama or an attempt on his life will be seen as a racial attack. I remember segregation, I remember the first black kid to go to school with me. I have witnessed most of the events that you call history. I remember a time when race didn't much matter and then OJ Simpson went on trial. That trial did more to destroy race relations than any one single event in history. It undid years of racial equality. Blacks saw it as an attack on a black man, whites saw it as an injustice. neither is right. It was a.n attack on the American people and we allowed it.
We don't hate each other because of the color of our skins. Who can control what color we will be born?
Maybe you have heard the phrase "People shouldn't be afraid of their governments, governments should be afraid of the people" I believe this statement should be true but their is another that much better fits the governments control of the American people.
Divide and conquer. As long as we argue about republicans and democrats, as long as we use words and phrases like Nigger, we are divided and can not stand united against any government.
I was with some friends the other day and they were talking about how all these mexicans have come here and taken all the good jobs. I remember white men standing around talking the same thing about blacks. My friends that were discussing that are black.
People who would call you a rascist for not liking Obama are probably not worth listening to. And I can tell you, I would much rather have Obama than the pick we have over here. That git David Cameron is most likely going to win the next election so god help us all. Gordon Brown is a bungler and er.. I can't remember the other guy's name. That sums him up. Forgettable.
QUOTE(exanimis @ Jan 3 2009, 08:28 PM)
Rosa Parks didn't refuse to move to another seat. The bus was full and the white man thought it was his right to sit and told the first black person he saw to give up their seat. When we hear about those types of events we are shocked and disgusted. But we should realize that it was a different time with different beliefs and morals. When Hitler was elected, the German people didn't just become evil Jew hating Monsters over night, they thought that he was doing a good job. The average German citizen had no idea what was going on behind the scene. It was what was supposed to be done, the law said to report jews and the people did what their government wanted.
Obama has been elected and is our new President. I am proud to live in an America in a time when racial hatred and bigotry are in such a low state, a time when a man can get a job, ride a bus, buy a house and even become president regardless or without consideration of to what race he was born into. At the same time I have fears. Any bad publicity, any comment made against him will be viewed as racism. To come on this thread ans state that you don't like him for any reason will be viewed as racism. The secret service guards the president and every president is threatened some are attacked but a threat to Obama or an attempt on his life will be seen as a racial attack. I remember segregation, I remember the first black kid to go to school with me. I have witnessed most of the events that you call history. I remember a time when race didn't much matter and then OJ Simpson went on trial. That trial did more to destroy race relations than any one single event in history. It undid years of racial equality. Blacks saw it as an attack on a black man, whites saw it as an injustice. neither is right. It was a.n attack on the American people and we allowed it.
We don't hate each other because of the color of our skins. Who can control what color we will be born?
Maybe you have heard the phrase "People shouldn't be afraid of their governments, governments should be afraid of the people" I believe this statement should be true but their is another that much better fits the governments control of the American people.
Divide and conquer. As long as we argue about republicans and democrats, as long as we use words and phrases like Nigger, we are divided and can not stand united against any government.
I was with some friends the other day and they were talking about how all these mexicans have come here and taken all the good jobs. I remember white men standing around talking the same thing about blacks. My friends that were discussing that are black.
Obama has been elected and is our new President. I am proud to live in an America in a time when racial hatred and bigotry are in such a low state, a time when a man can get a job, ride a bus, buy a house and even become president regardless or without consideration of to what race he was born into. At the same time I have fears. Any bad publicity, any comment made against him will be viewed as racism. To come on this thread ans state that you don't like him for any reason will be viewed as racism. The secret service guards the president and every president is threatened some are attacked but a threat to Obama or an attempt on his life will be seen as a racial attack. I remember segregation, I remember the first black kid to go to school with me. I have witnessed most of the events that you call history. I remember a time when race didn't much matter and then OJ Simpson went on trial. That trial did more to destroy race relations than any one single event in history. It undid years of racial equality. Blacks saw it as an attack on a black man, whites saw it as an injustice. neither is right. It was a.n attack on the American people and we allowed it.
We don't hate each other because of the color of our skins. Who can control what color we will be born?
Maybe you have heard the phrase "People shouldn't be afraid of their governments, governments should be afraid of the people" I believe this statement should be true but their is another that much better fits the governments control of the American people.
Divide and conquer. As long as we argue about republicans and democrats, as long as we use words and phrases like Nigger, we are divided and can not stand united against any government.
I was with some friends the other day and they were talking about how all these mexicans have come here and taken all the good jobs. I remember white men standing around talking the same thing about blacks. My friends that were discussing that are black.
Thanks for correcting me on my statement regarding Rosa Parks.
I too grew up in a segregated society,in my early years i lived in Tennessee,Louisiana and Texas until the age of eighteen.Only whites went to the schools i attended in Tennessee and Louisiana.I remember seeing the whites only signs,in the downtown areas,on restroom doors and water fountains.No coloreds signs on restaurants and bars.In Texas there were no signs but there was an understanding that people of other races had their own establishments and their own side of town.I went to school with Mexicans in Texas but Blacks had their own schools that were poorly funded and lacked up to date books.I remember one time my mother hired a Black lady to babysit my brother,sister and i and she decided to take us to the movies.She took us to a Black movie theater for she wouldn't be allowed in anywhere else.Everyone there was friendly and curious about the only White kids
in the place.Kids waved and shyly smiled at us.I remember having a hard time watching the movie for i had so many questions running through my mind.This was the first time i had ever been around Black kids and i couldn't understand why that was.
The Oj Simpson trial was quite damaging and i believe that the courts were afraid of what would happen if he were convicted.
When in my teens i became quite the idealist.I wholeheartedly joined the Hippie movement for i believed that the efforts,up to that time,to bring about social change were just too slow.My idealist reading and philosophical interests had me convinced that a major revolution was inevitable.If the Government couldn't get things done the young people,of all races of the world,would.
However naive my expectations were of this great coming revolution,i still believe that the 60s and 70s had a huge effect on raising social consciousness around the world.The changes that occurred during those years were swept up and have become part of that wave of change that still continues on toward a new world.I never lost my idealism,tho i have altered my expectations.I've realized that change comes slowly because individuals need time to adapt to new ways of thinking.One needs time to deal with ones conditioning,to struggle with ones illusions for it is my belief that no one grows up in this world free of these qualities or defects of mind.I know that i've dealt with plenty of illusions and still have more to realize.The struggle toward enlightenment not only brings a deeper truth into ones life but also has the added benefit of changing ones world for the better.If just one person of another race or nationality,after an encounter,walks away thinking,Hmm that white guy or that American is not so bad,i've created a small ripple in that metaphorical wave of change.
I too grew up in a segregated society,in my early years i lived in Tennessee,Louisiana and Texas until the age of eighteen.Only whites went to the schools i attended in Tennessee and Louisiana.I remember seeing the whites only signs,in the downtown areas,on restroom doors and water fountains.No coloreds signs on restaurants and bars.In Texas there were no signs but there was an understanding that people of other races had their own establishments and their own side of town.I went to school with Mexicans in Texas but Blacks had their own schools that were poorly funded and lacked up to date books.I remember one time my mother hired a Black lady to babysit my brother,sister and i and she decided to take us to the movies.She took us to a Black movie theater for she wouldn't be allowed in anywhere else.Everyone there was friendly and curious about the only White kids
in the place.Kids waved and shyly smiled at us.I remember having a hard time watching the movie for i had so many questions running through my mind.This was the first time i had ever been around Black kids and i couldn't understand why that was.
The Oj Simpson trial was quite damaging and i believe that the courts were afraid of what would happen if he were convicted.
When in my teens i became quite the idealist.I wholeheartedly joined the Hippie movement for i believed that the efforts,up to that time,to bring about social change were just too slow.My idealist reading and philosophical interests had me convinced that a major revolution was inevitable.If the Government couldn't get things done the young people,of all races of the world,would.
However naive my expectations were of this great coming revolution,i still believe that the 60s and 70s had a huge effect on raising social consciousness around the world.The changes that occurred during those years were swept up and have become part of that wave of change that still continues on toward a new world.I never lost my idealism,tho i have altered my expectations.I've realized that change comes slowly because individuals need time to adapt to new ways of thinking.One needs time to deal with ones conditioning,to struggle with ones illusions for it is my belief that no one grows up in this world free of these qualities or defects of mind.I know that i've dealt with plenty of illusions and still have more to realize.The struggle toward enlightenment not only brings a deeper truth into ones life but also has the added benefit of changing ones world for the better.If just one person of another race or nationality,after an encounter,walks away thinking,Hmm that white guy or that American is not so bad,i've created a small ripple in that metaphorical wave of change.
QUOTE(wasder @ Jan 3 2009, 04:41 PM)
I doubt He will be remembered more than Martin luther King. Obama will be remembered. Partly because he's going to be president, and partly because of what he symbolises. That a black man has become president of the US is something quite amazing to those who can remember segregation and Jim Crow laws and all that. He will be remembered by black americans at least, whatever happens.
Less because of Jim Crow and segregation, because that is the norm the world over. To this day, many societies are segregated. More because no nation has ever had a minority of a different race from the majority lead them. Not even "Oh, we're so progressive, you troglodytes" Europe.
I still don't believe his election was legitimate. I never will.
After the last decade or so, I've had trouble believing ANY election is legitimate.
All hail the mighty Rebublicrats!
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