Before I went off on the main quest, I was going around makeing my character stronger. One thing I have a particular attraction to is heavy armor. Daedric is in high demand and short supply, I wanted something a little more easier to get even if it isnt as strong. Ebony would work perfect. Naturally I found out that the redoran counciler, vinem has a full suit of it. I taunted him till he attacked and then I killed him. But it never did give me a severed prophecy message ...

Well now I am trying to get those damned redoran councilors to elect me as horator ... and they wont give me their vote because of the one I killed.

Please tell me there is a way around this problem ... it would really suck to redo all of this ... I'm nearly at level 50 as it is ...

I hate to reply so coldy but.. No. You can't. If you killed one of theirs there's (heheh... homonyms...) no way they'll accept. Sorry. Load a saved if you really wanna be Redoran Horator. Mind you I've never done Redoran so if all the information I just gave you is false don't hunt me down and bite off my head. But the above information is true with pretty much any guild so.. I'm guessing Redoran is the same?

Hmmmm that would make sense, but I just get the feeling that there is a way around this. It never gave me that severed phrophocy messsage ... it would suck to have to restart all of that. But if I do restart, I will surely not make the same mistakes.

So in other words, I am screwed because I use a xbox?

Well Damn

He will suffer my wraith the true way when I come back to kill him after starting over and makeing it back to the horator spot.

You have to kill Bolvyn to become Horator or advance to the highest spot in Redoran. So you'll get the armor from him eventually. The only thing is you have to kill him in the Vivec Arena duel. That's why no severed prophecy message shows up, because he dies eventually.

You could, of course, complete the game by the other method... the bad method. But I would recommend just starting a new game.


I forget the name of the Daedric ruin, but you probably passed it going to that first Ashlander camp. It's the base of the Quarra vampire clan. Not only is there a full suit of Ebony armor (you'll have to kill the dangerous vampire wearing it, mind you) but you can also pick off the full suit of glass from Volrina Quarra herself.


It sounds like you kill everyone that doesn't give to the prophecy message.

I wonder how many times do Box users have to start from scratch bacase of these oops-i-killed-the-guy-i-shouldn't-have-and-i-can't-restore-him-because-i-have-an-Xbox issues?

I'm so happy I have my PC.

its a pain to have the whole box problem ... but besides to get around hassels, its just not as fun to cheat. Take the health code for example. With the xbox I can regain my health right on the spot and have it keep rechargeing, but whats the fun in that? I rather just buy a bunch of health potions and struggle through it. The only exception is when it would actually just be a hassel on me. Like the quest to vas to get rid of some necromancers. I have to travel to the middle of nowhere just to get there and if I get killed, I will have to sigh and travel back their again through all of the obstacles and so on. So the cheats don't bother me so much, although I do wish I had the power of downloading mods onto my xbox and alll of that. But that would have to be done on xbox live and alot of it wouldnt be free I bet.

But anyway to hell with ebony armor this time. I'm going to hunt for some of the easier armor piecies like the dragonbone cuiress ... or however you spell that. *is to lazy to check the game*. I'm more expierianced and I can get some of them now. But I do have a question for you guys ... or rather quite a few of them. This is just so I dont mess up and have to start over again.

First of all ... if I become a vampire, would people start attacking me on sight? I figured the ordinators would attack me on sight after I got the moon and star ring ... but they just hated me instead of hating me and attacking me on sight. Also, after being cured of corpus disease, I find I am immune to blight, common, and corpus. Would that mean that I would also be immune to vampirism and need to become a vampire before hand? I would assume that I cant get any further in any quests except the vampire ones if I become a vampire though.

That was long winded, but I have a problem with haveing a bunch of saves everywhere all cluttered up. So naturally I wouldnt have saves back to far to protect myself from this problem. Although this time I probably should start.

Heh no worries there. I did my homework on the matter and I know about the cure for it ... but I still needed those questions answered. And here is one last one I think.

I wish to join a house ... but I am not sure which I should join. I can assure you that it wont be the telvani house or however you spell it ... but I can't quite choose between redoran and hlaalu. Redoran appeals to me in that fact that it is more for fighters. But another thing is that I wish to be cautious about where the strongholds are going to be. I read that the hlaalu house stronghold is in the most conveniant location, right down the river from balmora ... but where is the one from redoran? And which, in your opinion, is better?

The Redoran stronghold is built i Bal Isra, north of Ald-Ruhn. It comes nicely equiped (some ebony weapons), but I think it has rather low storage space. Compared to the upgraded Tel Uvirith, of course
But I have to say that the Hlaalu stronghold on Odai plateau is better. It's closer to civilisation and doesn't have ash storms like the Redoran and Telvanii do.

Yeah I have decided to go with hlaalu. I like being able to get to the strong hold easily.

And now I have yet another question. I have restarted and I have went around collecting armour. I now have everything up to where I want it ... but it brings me to another subject.

I am a sucker for long bladed weapons. Normally your two handed types, although I wish to start useing a one handed one. The strongest weapons I have ever wielded in the game was a daedric dai katana and umbra .... what long blade weapons are stronger than these? And which are one handed?

Never mind about the longsword weapons, I have that undercontrol now.

Here is a better question and a easier one to answer.


Which is better ... auriels bow or the bow of shadows, or is there anything better then that?

There is a Demon longbow but I cannot remember what enchantment it has. You can also get a Daedric Longbow and arrows that you should consider in the equation as to which is best.

Auriel's bow can be enchanted but it does not take much. It smells of Ash Yams if that puts you off.

On an earlier point, on PC you can play House Redoran and then all but two quests of House Hlaalu becoming grandmaster in both and ending up with two strongholds. Unfortunately I don't know if the same glitch applies on xbox.

IMO overall the Redoran quests are more interesting (some individual quests are not) and there are more of them 37 as opposed to 32 for Hlaalu and Telvanni should that make a difference to you.