Hi. First of all, thank you to any who read this and help, or try to.

I want to have only the 3 in the title without FCOM and Fran's. No, I don't have some bias against those 2, it's just to use the load orders I've found online, I'd have to download huge files for them and I simply don't have the bandwith. I'm on dialup using copper wires older than time. Downloading for me moves at the speed of erosion.

MMM, OOO, and WarCry are all the latest versions, however. I had a friend download them for me, but I don't feel like asking him for more favors as I've already begged enough. Besides, without FCOM and Francesco's, I'll have enough room for great quest and dungeon and armor/weapon mods that I've already got in the tons.

What I would like is to plug OOO into MMM and WarCry, which are already running on my current game. What do I need to add in terms of plugins from OOO and MMM to have them work. Do I check OOO-MMM esp or MMM-OOO for both? And what would be the correct loading order for all 3?

Bear in mind, I've a high dollar computer even though my dialup is in the dark ages(I'm still trying to download 'fire" with 'the wheel' in the queue), and I've NO PROBLEM WHATSOEVER disconnecting the buggy as hell Shivering Isles.

As to the instances where the creatures of these mods fight each other at times, that doesn't matter to me. It's actually pretty natural if you think about it. What I do have a problem with is play testing it til I get it right. Why? Because I tried earlier and got a screen that made me physically ill to look at. I'm serious.

If it can't be done, I'll use Cobl, but I've used it before and want something different. COBL will not work with OOO, that much I know.

I've Wrye Bash, OBMM, OBSE, etc.

Thank you

This is my first attempt to combine them all. I tried to copy it, when I had the mods, from a list I got off the FCOM site on the wiki. It sometimes freezes at the bethesda logo, or gets to load screen and freezes or crashes. I've got to be doing something wrong, but I've no idea what. Bear in mind, I can't see too well so things miss my attention after staring for too long. Is it a version or a load order problem?



00 Oblivion.esm
01 Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm
02 Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm
03 Tamrielic Ingredients.esm
04 Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm
05 Mart's Monster Mod.esm
06 TamrielTravellers.esm [Version 1.36]
07 FCOM_Convergence.esm [Version 0.9.9a7]
08 SewerExpansion.esm
09 Kvatch Rebuilt.esm
0A Cybiades.esm [Version 2.0]
0B Jog_X_Mod.esm
0C Adrenaline Locational Masterfile.esm
0D Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp [Version 3.0.0]
0E Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp [Version 1.3.0]
0F Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp
10 Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp
11 Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp
12 Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp
++ FCOM_Francescos.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp [Version 0.9.9]
13 FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp [Version 0.9.9]
14 DLCShiveringIsles.esp
15 ExnemRuneskulls.esp
++ FCOM_ExnemRuneskulls.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_TamrielicIngredients.esp [Version 0.9.9]
16 Oblivion WarCry EV.esp
17 FCOM_WarCry.esp [Version 0.9.9]
18 Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp
19 FCOM_Convergence.esp [Version 0.9.9]
1A FCOM_DurabilityAndDamage.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_SpawnRatesReduced.esp [Version 0.9.9]
1B TamrielTravellers4000.esp [Version 1.36]
++ FCOM_Archery.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_DiverseGuardUnity.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_FriendlierFactions.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_TamrielTravelers.esp [Version 0.9.9]
1C Knights.esp
1D 2.0the tower of the lich king.esp
1E Aletregan Shrine.esp
1F AncientTowers.esp
20 AyleidTreasury.esp
21 Blacktache's Secrets 3.esp
22 Blood&Mud.esp
23 castleofnight.esp
24 Cybiades.esp [Version 2.1]
25 CybiadesDungeon.esp [Version 2.1]
26 Drekin's Keep 2.3.esp
27 Guards.esp
28 HoarfrostCastle.esp
29 Kvatch Rebuilt.esp
2A Labyrinth.esp
2B Legends Baleful Eye.esp
2C Lich King's Helm v1_0.esp
2D Lost Paladins of the Divines.esp
2E Lyn-StoriesFromTheSeaMod.esp
2F Malevolent.esp
30 Mighty Umbra.esp
31 nazarianlibraryV3beta.esp
32 Netherworld01.esp
33 Pek_Halls_of_The_Phoenix_Order.esp
34 Pirates Grave V1.1.esp
35 SewerExpansion-Bravil.esp
36 SewerExpansion-Cheydinhal.esp
37 TempleOfZealotsV2.esp
38 The Mystery of the Dulan cult.esp
39 The Pilgrim's Path.esp
3A The SilverDragonArmorQuest.esp
3B thievery.esp
3C TOTF.esp
3D WOTFH_1.3.esp
++ FCOM_Blood&Mud.esp [Version 0.9.9]
3E FCOM_DulanCult.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_Knights.esp [Version 0.9.9]
3F FCOM_MightyUmbra.esp [Version 0.9.9]
40 100% Harvest Chance.esp
41 Adonnays Elven Weaponry.esp
42 Adrenaline-Fuelled Combat.esp
43 Advanced Fletching.esp
44 Advanced Magecraft.esp
45 Better Hand to Hand.esp
46 BoneMaster.esp
47 BookTrackerOBSE.esp
48 Darkgreen Glass Armour.esp
49 DMACArmor.esp
4A FF8 Gunblade.esp
4B KDCirclets.esp
4C Locational Damage- Accurate Armour Damage.esp
4D Locational Damage- Core.esp
4E Locational Damage- Effects.esp
4F Loth's Blunt Weapons.esp
50 Mart's Monster Mod.esp
51 MOBS.esp
52 Morrowind Ingredients.esp [Version 1.6]
53 Nirnroot Completion.esp
54 P1DkeyChain.esp [Version 4.20]
55 samurai.esp
56 tkRapiers.esp
57 wd purse of wonders.esp
58 XTS-Merchant-V2.esp
59 DEJ Harvest - Flora.esp
5A Mace_of_Vareon.esp
5B Bashed Patch, 0.esp

There's the FCOMHelper to the rescue (for me, I'm only a simple-minded kid)

FCOM loader did help out, but I still have problems with OOO. Oh well, I tried hooking up Francesco's and...no problems whatsoever. So I'm going with MMM, Warcry, FRan's and whatever else I can plug in. Thanks for the help.

I'd still appreciate if someone knew why OOO just won't go into the mix, even with FCOM.

Well, OOO changes almost everything in the gameworld. MMM is mostly on monsters, Fran's is mostly on new items, creatures and loot lists.

It's kind of funny what occurs when I've tried with OOO into the mix. the gameworld turns to water and everyone around me all land at the same time with a splash. The terrain and everything is above my head.

Then it's not OOO which is causing the problems... I think. OOO doesn't make any landscape changes.

BTW I noticed something. MOBS is in your load order, when OOO I think already integrates MOBS with it.

hmmm. I didn't know that. Would you know if it's also incorporated into Francesco's?

Good to see you've dicovered FCOMhelper it's a wonderfull utility, please see my recent post for installing a full up FCOM setup please note the guide is very unfinished but I contains links to all the files you need and the initial setup instructions. TOPIC LINK

Good luck,


P.S. I'll try to work on the document today, and get a much revised version posed tonight.

I would like to see this load order, and of course copy it for my own use.

I hate to use this for another question, but do DEJ flora and 100% harvest chance cancel one another? I've both installed and the 100% works, but the DEJ flora doesn't.