What do you think is a better extinct race.

The Aylieds from Oblivion or the Dwemer from Morrowind.
Both are Extinct and both have a really unique style of building.
The Dwemer with there big spirraling brown towers and metal work.
Or the Aylieds with large majestic white Pillars and marble work.

Plus they both have quite different armor types Dwarven armor (from morrowind or oblivion) and Elven armor.

These races are very different but I ask you
WHICH DO YOU THINK IS BETTER

Elven is superior.

Whatever the dorfs make the elves will make a lighter, faster version that's just as strong.

elfs are great in magic but in metal work and warfair Dwemer rules all

Col John Sheppard

The Dwemer aren't 'drawves'. That's just misconception. The Dwemer are an elven race, just like the Dunmer, Chimer, Altmer and Bosmer. The 'Dwe' means something like 'deep' or 'learned'.

Ok but I didn't really answer the OP's question about who is the superior extinct race.

I was more on the topic of his reference to elven and dwarven armor/weapons.

to be honsest i dont think we know what the dwemer are i think we thought they was dwarfs because its sounds dwaven

im not sure i think white scar is right they are elves i still go with dwaven tech anyday

Col John Sheppard

I go with Aylied, much more dramatic architecture and design, I picture them as an intelligent and quite beautiful race.

I like the Ayleids, i haven't played Morrowind so i haven't played with there stuff

the Dwemer are elves that live deep in the earth like dwarves. but the Dwemer are taller then humans tho (which ruins the definition of Dwarves for me =P).
*Cough*Clickly*cough* =P

I don't know enough of the lore to decide (never played Morrowind), but if I had to choose between elven or dwarven, I'd go elven.

I can fit into a stolen suit of elven armor; not so with dwarven.
Everyone who's ever played ANY rpg has entertained some sort of sexual fantasy about elves, I am sure; not so with dwarves.
Elf-tossing has never been a barroom sport, as far as I'm aware.

Elven is definately cooler.

Dwemer ARE elves. they just live in the earth

shame there isnt any dwaves in the elder scrolls

Col John Sheppard

yeah i like Dwarves. would of loved it if Beth added some kind of dwarven kingdom to Nirn

might be in the next elder scroll i really hope they add a dwaven thing or quest in there but dwever armour is really bluky but elfs dont you think?

Col John Sheppard

Do you know that the aylied ruled through terror by summining dradra it must of been hell to live then.
I say Dwelmer, they make cool stuff

do you lot ever wonder where the rise of men in Ayleid times

Col John Sheppard

dwemer are the coolest,, they build airships.. that is just impressive..

As an aylied,I would care less about you men and how much fodder you would be!

a Ayleid Nercomancer? odd result

Col John Sheppard

In morrowind Dwemer ruins could be pretty dramatic as well. I miss the mechanical "creatures" like my custom companion "Steamer"

to me the dwemer are cooler

I love elven stuff, Like many I don't know very much about all the lore that goes along with them. I haven't had the chance to play morrowind. If Dwemer are elves what happened to all the dwarven weaponry? I do have OOO and i think that changes things.

'Dwemer' is an anagram of 'Awesome'.


Kinda. Sorta.

try no where near Reep

Dwewer all the way!

Col John Sheppard

Dwemer easily.

I have to say im throwing my lot in with the Ayleids. Yes the Dwemer were technologicaly adavanced and on the other hand the Ayleids were masters of magic so its fairly even there. However look at the architecture - the Ayleid buildings are elegand and beatufifull whereas Dwemer building well, arent. And look at white gold tower, if building that thing doesnt set them as greater than other achient elven races i don't know what does! And ok some of this is coming form the fact im a massive Oblivion fanboy buy I think the Ayleids are superior. Indeed, i find their history far more ocmpelling than that of the Dwemer.

I would however like to raise a parrellel between the races. Both ore anchient and virtualy extict elven races and the demise of both was brought down somewhat by their own pride. Theres osmething to think about I suppose.

I really dont think its fair to say the ayleids are better if you havent even played morrowind. About half of the people who sided with ayleids did so just because they prefer elven armor over dwarven armor. Now, if you made an informed decision and chose ayleid, then i respect that. However, having played both morrowind and oblivion, i say that the dwemer are waaaaayyy better. There arcitecture, while not as attractive, was way more efficient. They were also masters of warfare, and there weapons and war machines could take down the ayleid's magic any day. They were also a much more advanced race, and knew basically everything about everything. So again, dont side with ayleid just because you havent played morrowind.

Just because the elves made elegant and quick weapons, dosent mean that their weaponry is better. A Viking sword has actually broken a katana. Dont forget, the Dwarves built Numidium, which massacred everything.

just so you know Kresselack Dwarfs are not the same as Dwemer

Col John Sheppard

Morrowind лучше

Giant metal buildings carved into the mountains? Instante win!

What do they want there then?

The Ayleids were better in my opinion because they were a little more civilised. Now I know the Dwemer had very great technology, but while they were hammering away and building wierd machines, the Ayleids were mastering magic and loafing around in semi-underground cities while slaves did all the toiling for them.

Well I did play Morrowind - just not alot. However, I have read alot of things about the Dwemer on places such as the Imperial library and the Elder Scrolls wiki so I'm not uninformed. But in truth they are about even in pretty much everything, and the Dwemer are definately a very interesting race. But I still prefer the Ayleids yes partly because I adore Oblivion and found Morrowind difficult to get into (but that was a graphics/gameplay thing I find the story of it fascinating). But mostly it is because I prefer the lore behind the Ayleids and their architecture. Both races however are very interesting and will hopefully be fleshed out along with the Chimer and other elven races that have no more than a few mentions in the in-game books.

Whoa whoa whoa... Forgive me if I'm a little lost here, but you are stating that the Aylieds are better because they had slaves? Don't you think that there is something a little wrong with that statement? Once again, plaese forgive me for not fully understanding, it's just that I'm a little confused...

I would totally have to say Dwemer is better (IMO). Why? Because they toiled with their own two hands, instead of sitting back and getting others to do it for them. In Morrowind Lore, there is a book that talks about how the Dwemer were good sorcerers and such, they just didn't have time to perfect that skill, because something went terribly wrong. If I recall correctly, they were dabbling with the magic of immortality (not a good thing to do, I am sure many of us have learned from the stories of old ).

Well The dwemer were masters of metal work and masonry, and were highly intelligent, they built in strength, Aylieds were masters of the arcane arts and built for elegence, though only from the outside, even though the ruins are very old I could never imagine them to be much more cosy a couple of era's ago than they look in oblivion now. But they did build the imerial city also, so its not all dingy dark underground cities. I vote aylieds, although I adore the dwemer, I adore magic over metal

The Ayleids were impressive, but the Dwemer had that steampunk thing going for them and that just makes them about twenty different kinds of awesome. I'm definitely gonna have to side with the Dwemer fans on this one; I'd rather explore their ancient halls and find some nifty gadgetry than spend hours on end looking for a few fancy crystals and a statue or two.

This is an extract from the imperial-library.info

The Dwemer (Dwarves), a free-thinking, reclusive Elven clan devoted to the secrets of science, engineering, and alchemy, established underground cities and communities in the mountain range (later the Velothi Mountains) separating modern Skyrim and Resdayn/Morrowind.The Dwemer of Tamriel, also known as the Dwarves, were a reclusive Elven Clan who lived in Morrowind during the first era. Although they had long bushy beards, they were not short, stubby Dwarves. They were a strain of Mer (Elves) and must be approached on their own terms to be understood.
For more information: The Annotated Anuad.

here's another extract

Over many years, the Ehlnofey of Tamriel became the Mer (Elves):
The Dwemer (the Deep Ones, sometimes called Dwarves)
The Chimer (the Changed Ones, who later became the Dunmer)
The Dunmer (the Dark or Cursed Ones, the Dark Elves)
The Bosmer (the Green or Forest Ones, the Wood Elves)
The Altmer (The Elder or High Ones, the High Elves). so the dwemer are dwarves

I'm not saying that the ayleids were right in using slaves, but you must admit, that made them quite the opposition for any enemies. I wouldn't attack somebody with slaves without thinking twice first, especially not since they were masters at magic.

Underground foes who work to make a living for themselves is another story altogether.

Call me crazy but I'd rather deal with the slaves than "play" with the Dwemer Toys

I kind of see what you are getting at... One would rather run away from a machine than risk getting blasted into Oblivion...

Masters of magic? Excuse me? What evidence even SUGGEST this? They summon a few Creepers to oversee the Human slave population. "Blasted into Oblivion" is probably the biggest %&$! said about them thus far.

To the above poster that said "So the Dwemer are dwarfs" is wrong. They are ELVEN in origin. Just like the Orcs are.

Lets put things side by side
Architecture
Aylieds: Underground stone living quarters that they themselves probably didn't even build, just showed the slaves where and how to dig up the ground and chop the stone.
Dwemer: Metal bases that, based on the technology and firepower of the given time, would shrug of any attack on it. While the catapults will crash through the stone fortresses of the aylieds (which it probably did). The big rock smacking against the metal based of the dwemer fortress would shatter and bounce off, leaving a dent as the only evidence of its strike.

History
Aylieds: Like most of the elves at the time, the Aylieds participated in the Night of Tears (I think thats what its called) where they blitzkrieged every human settlement at the time with only the Nords being prepared and fighting them off. This was a previously, highly peaceful human civilzation with their only offense was expanding their population too fast for Elven fecundity. We can presume, from the history of the Empire, that the Aylieds are the only race to have taken human slaves. We can also presume that it was the Aylieds that interbred with their human harems thus creating the Bretons meaning, the Aylieds as a gene didn't completely died out, but live in current era humanity as well. With Daedric worship and blood sacrifice of humans led to the eventual revolt. The "Queen of the Slaves" who was blessed by Talos eventually with her rebellion and Nordic volunteers toppled and exterminated the entire Aylied civilzation. So I guess the whole "Blasting into Oblivion" attacks on their foes didn't work, did it. I don't really recall any widespread magical enchantments over the land that the Aylieds have done.

Dwemer: The Dwemer migrated from the summerset isles to Morrowind in the Velothi mountains. They expanded their knowledge of the world by manipulating the environment to their needs, AKA science. They, as a species and not via machinery, fought and battled, and eventually drove off Nordic invaders. Later, when the Chimer arrived in Morrowind, they had many wars with them, using both machinery and their own talents. They created the Numidium, which the Empire later used to conquer almost all of Tamriel. Also they have mechanical guardians that use not only magicka (the centurion has shot a lightning bolt at me a few times) but have continued to stay activated for unknown centuries. Also, it was either the Dwemer of Vivec that did this, when the last Akivari invasion occured, the actually sunk the entire island wiping out the entire army then resurfaced it. Vivec or Dwemer. During their last engagement with the Chimer, they nearly achieved immortality as a race via manipulating the Heart of Lorkhan, a casted down god that, IIRC, created all life. They messed up and vanished. If they succeeded....well imagine a race where each individual was as powerful as Vivec or Amalexia hmm? The Dwemer have a magical fountain of power that can sustain their metal machines indefinatly. IIRC, a scholar tried to take one of the mechanical spiders out of Vvardenfell and it deactivated. When they neared the Island again it reactivated. However, as the game Tribunal shows, this power extends to Mournhold as well.



What I can figure on this is that.
1. Dwemer have more efficient Architecture. A single tall tower that has had countless architects to repair it does not defeat dozens of dozens mechanical forts with working machinery.
3. Dwemer are more experienced in War. Fighting, and defeating Skyrim where the Falmer, Dunmer, and Aylieds themselves have lost. And later, fighting dozens of wars with the Chimer.
4. Dwemer are more civilized. I consider the Aylieds being barbarians for their treatment of humanity.
5. Dwemer are more educated. Given their accomplishments with steam warriors, we can assume an individual Dwemer is far smarter than an Individual Ayleid. And the average modern era wizard can conjure of a skeleton to scare slaves into building. I doubt a modern architect could replicate the Dwemer ruins. I guess thats why there are architects studying dwemer ruins while Aylied ruins are left to the bandits.


Dwemer are better.

Orcs are? i think you been watching to much Lord of the Rings ( unless you can find some proof)

i don't think that's true orcs could just be another race in tamreil

and to what you said about the Dwemer being Dwaves you are not wrong they are elves they only think its dwaven because of A the lookalike of the armor between dwaven and Dwemer and they were underground so that kinda confuses things

Col John Sheppard

Catapults breaking through underground walls? Not likely, maybe the entrance, but if you break through there you have to get past the guards first. To get back to what made the Ayleids masters of magic, they were all high elves. Simple as that, high elves are the race that is most skilled in magic. And even though the slaves built the ayleid cities, it was still the ayleids who drew up the plans. Same as the egyptians designing the pyramids and having the slaves build them.

a Ram would work more underground then a Catapult i think

Col John Sheppard

Dwemer

Hard to say. It looks as though the Ayleids excelled at mechanical traps within their buildings, plus advances along the lines of Welkynd Stones. The Dwemer were good with mechanical stuff. If it can be considered as proof, the "Midas Summon Dwemer Centurion" spell shows the Dwemer could make decent robots with magical capabilities.

Not to mention it's also the fastest ridable NPC in the game. Fast-travel time while riding the Centurion, from Bruma to Chorrol, was 4 minutes flat.

The UESP Wiki says their proper name is Orismer, and Mer are elves. The True Nature of Orcs also says they were originally High Elf.

I don't see why being elves means they can't be dwarves, though.

i don't think i have seen a elf with a large beard and lives underground making deadly stuff

Col John Sheppard

Obviously you haven't been hearing the right Santa Claus conspiracy theories.

Yeah he's out to corrupt the children of the world there will be many a violent game or toy under the ol' Xmas tree come christmas morn.

so the Santa is a dwemer?

Col John Sheppard