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tyreil829
hey chesto not seen you in a while hows things

Col John Sheppard
Chesto
I couldnt give a rat's arse about everything, except definitely something. And I'm better than good, t. Thanks for asking. How you? Though... i couldn't, probably, give a rat's arse about it, as long as you're doing fine.
Aeryn333
I do give a rats ares about this.as we all do here in Éire ..that eh like see I am from Ireland and we disagree with this intensely ..Many people were forced to go to America and Canada the famine and all ect..WE embrace and encourage people to accept their roots..Being Irish does not mean you were born in Ireland, being Irish means its those roots that beat the loudest in your heart...and soul..it what defines you..
Being Irish says your proud of your hetitage...no matter where you were born, so many of our own in Exile because of things that happened here..

We look at America sometimes as a culture without roots..What is American culture, but a set of political beliefs, not cultural ones..for America was made on the backbone of many a culture for now I will deal with just the Irish..forgeting that is why there is so much predjudice there as we see it..

Eh like for its what I know..there are no true Americans but Native Americans..
If more people got in touch with not where they live but who they are culturally, they would not feel so lost as who am I..To simply say I am an American what does that mean , roots are important to people..it says where you come from..what intially shaped you..So many young people are losing sight of the meaning of roots and its sad..

To say the words I am Irish American means one has accepted the roots of their ancestors..To many poeple forgot, the ancestoral roots are lost. traditions are lost..la

No one actually has a aright to call themselves a true American but Native Americans, to find your roots is to find your history to find yourself, is to find where yor people came from and what culture beats the truest to what you think believe feel in the inner you, ones truest self..

Thats my say, and I will not get into an arguement about it, you know who...I am not in the mood..comprende vous!!!!

I like when people can proclaim their roots no matter where they may have been born..WE here in Éire embrace openly our Irish American family, as Irish plain and simple..if thats the drum that beats strongest in them, and thats the culture the soul feel is home..me Gran's used to say one drop of Irish blood and your Irish..WE accept people who acknowledge this in themselves and feel aye Ireland is home in my soul , and how I believe. Then they are our own, a people,in exile from their Native land..

Eh like it matter not the genrations that passed but how strng that culture was passed down to them, and it struck a note of truth inside, by their parents or granfolk that came from here..that is what matters..la

Why because many were forced to leave Ireland and did not want to..and now generations later, many of these people say, you know what I am proud I am Irish, and consider themselves Irish, and to them we warmly embrace and welcome..them as Irish..

Eh Like What makes a person who they are, where they live or their cultrural beliefs. la
tyreil829
QUOTE(Chesto @ Sep 5 2008, 05:10 PM) *
I couldnt give a rat's arse about everything, except definitely something. And I'm better than good, t. Thanks for asking. How you? Though... i couldn't, probably, give a rat's arse about it, as long as you're doing fine.


haha yes I'm doing fine

Col John Sheppard
Blackguard666
QUOTE(Aeryn333 @ Sep 5 2008, 06:00 PM) *
I do give a rats ares about this.as we all do here in Éire ..that eh like see I am from Ireland and we disagree with this intensely ..Many people were forced to go to America and Canada the famine and all ect..WE embrace and encourage people to accept their roots..Being Irish does not mean you were born in Ireland, being Irish means its those roots that beat the loudest in your heart...and soul..it what defines you..
Being Irish says your proud of your hetitage...no matter where you were born, so many of our own in Exile because of things that happened here..

We look at America sometimes as a culture without roots..What is American culture, but a set of political beliefs, not cultural ones..for America was made on the backbone of many a culture for now I will deal with just the Irish..forgeting that is why there is so much predjudice there as we see it..

Eh like for its what I know..there are no true Americans but Native Americans..
If more people got in touch with not where they live but who they are culturally, they would not feel so lost as who am I..To simply say I am an American what does that mean , roots are important to people..it says where you come from..what intially shaped you..So many young people are losing sight of the meaning of roots and its sad..

To say the words I am Irish American means one has accepted the roots of their ancestors..To many poeple forgot, the ancestoral roots are lost. traditions are lost..la

No one actually has a aright to call themselves a true American but Native Americans, to find your roots is to find your history to find yourself, is to find where yor people came from and what culture beats the truest to what you think believe feel in the inner you, ones truest self..

Thats my say, and I will not get into an arguement about it, you know who...I am not in the mood..comprende vous!!!!
. la


Okay, okay. It was in the whole "rats ass" thing. No need to get all "Erie Go Bragh" on me. Jump off my nuts, it's my opinion. It's what I don't give a rat's ass about, okay? F*cking christ man, get over it. I'm Irish, family came here in 1717, blah, blah, blah. I'm actually a descendant grandson of Robert the Bruce. There is far as my "roots pride" goes. I know of it, but my give a sh*t button broke a LOOONNNGG time ago.

Take the roots stuff seriously, but don't jump on my ass when I give my "rats ass" list on the "rats ass" thread. I'm not forcing anything on you, or was directed at you.
Timihendrix91
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We look at America sometimes as a culture without roots..What is American culture, but a set of political beliefs, not cultural ones..for America was made on the backbone of many a culture for now I will deal with just the Irish..forgeting that is why there is so much predjudice there as we see it..

Eh like for its what I know..there are no true Americans but Native Americans..
If more people got in touch with not where they live but who they are culturally, they would not feel so lost as who am I..To simply say I am an American what does that mean , roots are important to people..it says where you come from..what intially shaped you..So many young people are losing sight of the meaning of roots and its sad..

What Is Irish culture other then a lot of drinking? tongue.gif

Just kidding. Every country has it's own culture, and for you to suggest that the US' culture is any less than your own is an insult. You can't get to know a culture unless you've been a part of it.

I guess we're just different on our views of family. I don't really care much about whether someone is related to me or not. Hell, I care more about my friends than I do most of my family, except for my parents. I've never understood why I should care about someone just because we have some genes in common. Same goes for my ancestors. Most of them would probably hate me anyway, haha.
myrmaad
QUOTE(Timihendrix91 @ Sep 5 2008, 06:45 PM) *
QUOTE
We look at America sometimes as a culture without roots..What is American culture, but a set of political beliefs, not cultural ones..for America was made on the backbone of many a culture for now I will deal with just the Irish..forgeting that is why there is so much predjudice there as we see it..

Eh like for its what I know..there are no true Americans but Native Americans..
If more people got in touch with not where they live but who they are culturally, they would not feel so lost as who am I..To simply say I am an American what does that mean , roots are important to people..it says where you come from..what intially shaped you..So many young people are losing sight of the meaning of roots and its sad..

What Is Irish culture other then a lot of drinking? tongue.gif

Just kidding. Every country has it's own culture, and for you to suggest that the US' culture is any less than your own is an insult. You can't get to know a culture unless you've been a part of it.

I guess we're just different on our views of family. I don't really care much about whether someone is related to me or not. Hell, I care more about my friends than I do most of my family, except for my parents. I've never understood why I should care about someone just because we have some genes in common. Same goes for my ancestors. Most of them would probably hate me anyway, haha.


Well, I think you're selling your ancestors short on that one, but to be absolutely correct, sociologists and anthropologists have long acknowledged the fact that our "melting pot" syndrome deprives Americans of deeprooted cultural values that other ancient countries take for granted. We are very rootless here, and you have just borne witness to the fact.

Not arguing about it, but I don't give a rat's ass about living in denial, so. Felt the need to point it out.
tyreil829
i could give a rats arse that i dented my new car hehe

Col John Sheppard
Blackguard666
Roots? Heh, well there really isn't any strong or "pure" roots anymore. And even back then, (2000 years ago) the bloodlines of this toilet earth were getting mixed, either by force or choice, w/e. Even if there were pure lines, what the Hell does it matter? We are all just men, mortal, foolish men. Where you come from means jack sh*t. Where you go means everything.


Another rats ass thing:

I could give a rats ass about Iraq or the rest of the Middle East. Let them kill each other over the same piece of tiny dirt they have been for 1300 years. Only thing that's changed over there is they went from spears to rifles.
tyreil829
would you two relax

Col John Sheppard
Lisnpuppy
I agree that we are all a melting pot. And have been for a long time. I am a bit of an amature historian...have that lovely degree paper hanging on my walll that says so..ha ha..

anyway..just read that they had found like 2,500 year old "vikings" that had a large arabic dna pattern...and if in fact were more diverse than the modern day Scandanavians. Huh!

However....I enjoy my heritage. I believe that you can learn great lessons from the history of were you came. In fact..those who do not know their history are doomed to repete it. Now do I agree to just wave some flag around on Columbus Day or St. Patrick's? No. I think you should study and know your history and culture if this is something to which you wish to proclaim your pride.

But in many ways we can not escape our past..culturally or genetically. I am a mix of many...Irish, Scots, Welsh, Native American and since many of my ancesters are from the South...well who knows what else. I take pride in them all as I take pride in being an American. I have studied them..traced my ancestery....I come from the lowest of peasents to Welsh Royality...equally proud of them all...and I hope to pass this information and love to my daughter.

And I do not think American's have the same sense and understanding of National Pride that others may..nI am not saying we do not love our country as much...I am saying that there is a large difference between patriotic pride and a sense of "nationalism."

Many of our friends here have recently fought for (or may be fighting in many ways) thier freedoms. The Irish here for example....it has not been that long that they sat under the thumb of the British. Did you know that the Celtic countries for which the British ruled..it was illegal to speak their native tongue..up until very recently. Welsh school children who spoke their tongue were beaten, ridiculed, forced to sit in the corner wearing signs saying "Welsh Not."

I personally know people here who have themselves or had parents fight and die for freedom. In their own country..their own back yard...I admire these people and give them every right to take pride in what ever the hell they wish.

So we can all have our opinion...and yes..untimately we are all HUMAN and need to learn this above all things. As it is that sameness that can unite us....it is our differences...of culture, language and beliefe that MAKES us human...and a heck of a lot more interesting that the cookie cutter world that I often observe.

So celebrate your heritage or not as you see fit. But do not belittle those who have found joy, comfort and pride in something far bigger than themselves.

And I couldn't give a rat's arse if anyone cares to read this....har
tyreil829
too many words too late at night good night all

Sheppard
Timihendrix91
QUOTE
And I do not think American's have the same sense and understanding of National Pride that others may..nI am not saying we do not love our country as much...I am saying that there is a large difference between patriotic pride and a sense of "nationalism."

Well, I think that both patriotism and especially nationalism can be dangerous. I never have understood the idea of loving a country. I love my life, i love the people close to me, but a country is just a piece of land that people agree exists. I am not defined by my country. I wouldn't be any different if I moved to Europe or Asia. Just my thoughts, though..
Aeryn333
QUOTE(Blackguard666 @ Sep 5 2008, 10:33 PM) *
QUOTE(Aeryn333 @ Sep 5 2008, 06:00 PM) *
I do give a rats ares about this.as we all do here in Éire ..that eh like see I am from Ireland and we disagree with this intensely ..Many people were forced to go to America and Canada the famine and all ect..WE embrace and encourage people to accept their roots..Being Irish does not mean you were born in Ireland, being Irish means its those roots that beat the loudest in your heart...and soul..it what defines you..
Being Irish says your proud of your hetitage...no matter where you were born, so many of our own in Exile because of things that happened here..

We look at America sometimes as a culture without roots..What is American culture, but a set of political beliefs, not cultural ones..for America was made on the backbone of many a culture for now I will deal with just the Irish..forgeting that is why there is so much predjudice there as we see it..

Eh like for its what I know..there are no true Americans but Native Americans..
If more people got in touch with not where they live but who they are culturally, they would not feel so lost as who am I..To simply say I am an American what does that mean , roots are important to people..it says where you come from..what intially shaped you..So many young people are losing sight of the meaning of roots and its sad..

To say the words I am Irish American means one has accepted the roots of their ancestors..To many poeple forgot, the ancestoral roots are lost. traditions are lost..la

No one actually has a aright to call themselves a true American but Native Americans, to find your roots is to find your history to find yourself, is to find where yor people came from and what culture beats the truest to what you think believe feel in the inner you, ones truest self..

Thats my say, and I will not get into an arguement about it, you know who...I am not in the mood..comprende vous!!!!
. la


Okay, okay. It was in the whole "rats ass" thing. No need to get all "Erie Go Bragh" on me. Jump off my nuts, it's my opinion. It's what I don't give a rat's ass about, okay? F*cking christ man, get over it. I'm Irish, family came here in 1717, blah, blah, blah. I'm actually a descendant grandson of Robert the Bruce. There is far as my "roots pride" goes. I know of it, but my give a sh*t button broke a LOOONNNGG time ago.

Take the roots stuff seriously, but don't jump on my ass when I give my "rats ass" list on the "rats ass" thread. I'm not forcing anything on you, or was directed at you.


Érin Go Bragh is a saying of pride Ireland forever.Do not use it causallly..Its an insult to the Irish born..would you like it if I pissed on your flag..
I donl't recall quoting you, or jumping on anyones bullocks, but stating my feeling on the matters I purposely did not quote anyone, my lil don't argue with me, was directed toward someone I have blocked, and did not want to here one more of his Irish put downs..that someone was not you..so cool it..

I did peek and that someone think Irish are drunks, feck you...Timi...you liitle digs are rude and uncalled for..kidding or not it was rude..per usual..block back..up..I really could care less, what do you have against the Irish anyways..have we not suffered enough..
So if like eh those of us who value roots and traditons, and culture, if you don't fine, but don't dump your shite on me, because i do..

As it was my feelings alone not attack on anyone.. these are my opinions, got it..and I am entitled to them..I will not get over it, as you said..what my family lived and died for our roots....and how many of our people were driven out because of the famine or died..and how many here of those people, who hurt that they feel in exile, more than you know.. it was to them I spoke..not you..so you get over it..

I went to a English school forced where I was beat for speaking Irish, you have no idea where my pride comes from..
Eh like I'll not have it trampled over by someone who seems to know nothing of the meaning of roots..
How come if we speak up for ourselves we're being arses, but If anyone speaks their opinion of America, oh thats not alright..How come people like timi can say were all drunks, then oh its a joke, no it prejudice.. and thats Ok, but speak ones opinion of America and oh and eh like I need to get over myself, my opinion as a Anthoplogy major is well founded..and is as vaild as anyones..and it was directed at no-one I read the responses and I put mine in.. that simple la..
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We fought and died here, many of my very family to maintain our culture and our roots, and our language..This is an international forum, so we do get our say here..I offended no-one I just gave my feelings and my opinions..

And We here in Ireland, get many letters from peoople who feel they are in Exile shunned becasue they in their hearts are still Irish, and Americans laugh at them for they are in the states and have no right, and better asssimilate..and lose their accents..eh like it is those people I defend.la..
Who got in your face I did not, I stated how I felt..I did not qoute you so why you taking this so personal..I forced nothing on anyone I simply gave my opinion, I think its you that needs to cool your heels la..
Nough said..
Aeryn333
QUOTE(Lisnpuppy @ Sep 6 2008, 12:19 AM) *
I agree that we are all a melting pot. And have been for a long time. I am a bit of an amature historian...have that lovely degree paper hanging on my walll that says so..ha ha..

anyway..just read that they had found like 2,500 year old "vikings" that had a large arabic dna pattern...and if in fact were more diverse than the modern day Scandanavians. Huh!

However....I enjoy my heritage. I believe that you can learn great lessons from the history of were you came. In fact..those who do not know their history are doomed to repete it. Now do I agree to just wave some flag around on Columbus Day or St. Patrick's? No. I think you should study and know your history and culture if this is something to which you wish to proclaim your pride.

But in many ways we can not escape our past..culturally or genetically. I am a mix of many...Irish, Scots, Welsh, Native American and since many of my ancesters are from the South...well who knows what else. I take pride in them all as I take pride in being an American. I have studied them..traced my ancestery....I come from the lowest of peasents to Welsh Royality...equally proud of them all...and I hope to pass this information and love to my daughter.

And I do not think American's have the same sense and understanding of National Pride that others may..nI am not saying we do not love our country as much...I am saying that there is a large difference between patriotic pride and a sense of "nationalism."

Many of our friends here have recently fought for (or may be fighting in many ways) thier freedoms. The Irish here for example....it has not been that long that they sat under the thumb of the British. Did you know that the Celtic countries for which the British ruled..it was illegal to speak their native tongue..up until very recently. Welsh school children who spoke their tongue were beaten, ridiculed, forced to sit in the corner wearing signs saying "Welsh Not."

I personally know people here who have themselves or had parents fight and die for freedom. In their own country..their own back yard...I admire these people and give them every right to take pride in what ever the hell they wish.

So we can all have our opinion...and yes..untimately we are all HUMAN and need to learn this above all things. As it is that sameness that can unite us....it is our differences...of culture, language and beliefe that MAKES us human...and a heck of a lot more interesting that the cookie cutter world that I often observe.

So celebrate your heritage or not as you see fit. But do not belittle those who have found joy, comfort and pride in something far bigger than themselves.

And I couldn't give a rat's arse if anyone cares to read this....har


Eh like so well spoken la..Goddess bless you my friend!!!

Mymaad..."Not arguing about it, but I don't give a rat's ass about living in denial, so. Felt the need to point it out."

very good points and thank you for them also..
Timihendrix91
Oh man.. laugh.gif
QUOTE
How come if we speak up for ourselves we're being arses, but If anyone speaks their opinion of America, oh thats not alright..How come people like timi can say were all drunks, then oh its a joke, no it prejudice.. and thats Ok, but speak ones opinion of America and oh and eh like I need to get over myself, my opinion as a Anthoplogy major is well founded..and is as vaild as anyones..and it was directed at no-one I read the responses and I put mine in.. that simple la..

You were making baseless comments on things you have no experience with. I did the same. Of course, when I do it, I'm immature and rude.
LHammonds
Time to stop the childish behavior.

Anyone bashing or making fun of another culture from this point forward will not enjoy the consequences.

LHammonds (Moderator)
Timihendrix91
No one is making fun of anyone.
tyreil829
read above timi it shows that is was

Col John Sheppard
Sarya
Good. I hope that means no more "bears" thing.
Chesto
hmmm...could i give enough of a rats arse to reach out and grab timis' hair as he hurtles past me to free fall? hmmm...but i just dont give a rats arse about much at all today... not even bears. oops.
tyreil829
i could give a rats arse wait i am giving a rats arse that is too early!

Col John Sheppard
Aeryn333
QUOTE(Chesto @ Sep 6 2008, 08:09 AM) *
hmmm...could i give enough of a rats arse to reach out and grab timis' hair as he hurtles past me to free fall? hmmm...but i just dont give a rats arse about much at all today... not even bears. oops.



I give a rats arse you changed your sig, I think it should go back to what it was..
glad your not breaking timis freefall..what about mine...eh..
Chesto leave the bears alone..
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Chesto
I could give a rats arse about ' they also serve, who only stand and wait.'.
And, i could give a rats arse about leaving the bears alone. They dont like being alone!
Aeryn333
I give a rats arse that a freind got put down in the I hate thread to remind me again why I dislike it so much..
Why do I read the posts, one might ask then.. for I promised my friends I would always have their back, and if they needed support I would be there, in private if not public..or here if not there..
Love you Dez.....wish I could have been there for you, beside my Internet problems, line downage, and that I am off and on, and will be until its fixed a day or two, and my new DSL modem the other half of the problem comes inn about 5 days..
So a word or two is all I bben able to do last week or so..but I will be back when its all up and running and fixed..

I just wanted to remind those friends, who loved it when I started this thread, those that abhorred the I hate thread, to remember this it is still here and so am I..
I will keep this place alive, for as I have read lately, tis real hate, as I felt it.. no matter ones different perspective, on the word, everyone is entitled thats why I do not go there and put anyone down, nor expect to have any trolls to come here with their hate and put me down for my feelings on the matter..for eh like I am just here venting in my way tis all..on what i intensely dislike..la
This is a venting place, created as asked of, for venting of all kinds, good, the flies in the ointment or down right pains in the arse..its free...its without the energy hate brings with it..my feelings..a venting place without hate..

I dislike that as I read my friends pain, I could not break my own integrity,not because I feel I am better, but I promised myself and I do not break promises to myself..and go somewhere that makes me feel bad inside, when I leave the place, unsafe nor comfortable..I respect my own inner truths..

Eh like because of what i know, I dislike the word that can draw despite peoples different persectives, it always does sooner or later draw out the worse..in people in my long years of experience..
Those who want to no judgement from me, this is only my feelings ,for me no one else.., I do will not go there and put down anyone so do not come here and dump, any hate on me fro my perpective keep your hate their..this is to my friends, who at one point were happy that place was waning, and this one waxing, to come back here where its safe..

I dislike so intensely what was said to my friend there, I say this, I love you Dez, and in my eyes you said nothing wrong except stand up for yourself..and I dislike I couldn't come there for you..I will not argue perspective of what I saw and felt, with anyone that perchance may read this..these are my feelings, directed to one person and one alone..

I will stay here alone if I have to and vent ,but I will keep, this place alive for those who need to vent without hate..if you ever need to..eh la..

Eh like my feelings mine alone...well and some philosophers also..la
We have to constantly remind ourself of the negative impact hatred has on us when events forces us to hate things.
I believe everyone do not like to hate anything. Hating drains our energy and makes us unhappy. But why do we still hate things at times? We are human afterall, I believe. What is the implication if we hate? Hating forces us to attach our mind to the object that we do not wish to have. It goes opposite to our desire. The more we hate an object, the more it stays connected to us.

This is pure logic..and Universal truth as I know it..regardless of perspective diffrences the word has energies attached to it, and it always will..it a mass consciousness thing..thats all I have to say, will not argue the point I am just venting, I need that also, but without hate... minding my buisness and telling me freinds I care especially me Dezi..

Eh Like thats all la....

eh like also Chesto, ' they also serve, who only stand and wait.'.that you could give a rats ares about that, you said.. I am unconvinced that you do not give a rats arse about that why...call it a gut feeling... there is the quote also, So the next time that life comes along and knocks you on your "arse" Just say to your self, "Hang On", and know that this too will pass.
...so ye think mate there truth in either of those..really la...

Now I will try post again for I loss conenction when I treid to, and lucky I had it copied and in notepad, in case of such outages...The Sidhe were with me to write this lets see if they be with me to post it, wants meant to be will be..
dezdimona
I could give a rats arse about those that hate,call names and hurt people and then stand in justification and point their finger at me,forgetting that when they do that,theres three of their own fingers pointed back at them
Chesto
i could give a rats arse that, for the first time in my history here, other than on the mod threads, i have pressed the report button. I really could give a fekkin rats arse about that. ...and i could give a rats arse about whether it was an act of justice, or hate, as long as some one finally gets a message.
LHammonds
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