For Clarification..The term I could give a rats arse means:Its used here in Eire all the time..it is a opposite thing ..it means I don't care, but I do..it's believed that a rat was used in the expression because of the way people view the rodent (annoying and small).
which is the point of this thread all the annoying small things that get us down..la


I am doing this, not out of some moralistic reason, atall..on the contray it has nothing to do with that..

Like so many of us, find the I hate thread to strong, since we talk about it amoungst ourselves and no-one has attempted to rectify it with an altrenative..
I thought this bold Irish Corkian Rebel lass, would..give it my best go.I hope you will stand by me all you that agree as I stick my neck out here for us all..that feel the same..
I hope the moderators hear me out and understand why and leave it..

I hate.. for some of us, is obviously to harsh a word..needless to say..I really in my heart feel sick each time I needed to vent and left that thread with that feeling..of betraying my own integrity when I left..and can do it no more..
I can no longer comfortably nor in integrity post in the I hate thread, when I need to vent, as we all do now and again..and should be allowed as others to have an alternate place to do so..
I can and will refuse to perpetuate by using the other thread a word I see causes so much damage to others, and brings back such horrible memories ..its a matter of principle..

When you have been a victum of a hate crime, that's left physical and emotional scars, and it all focused on people concentrating on that word..that word takes on a whole new meaning..That even causal usage makes me shiver..I refuse to abide by the usage of a word that has also taken the lives of those I cared about.. although I have learned to heal that, I cannot abide by the rule usage of I hate. When hate crimes are still so prevalent in this world and all begin with the word I hate..

The adults know better, here Aye thats true la..

Like is it not also our reponsibility, to protect the young people here, that do not need to be getting use to I hate as an acceptble catagory..to become comfortable with it, that they may take it to heart and bring it that step further..

I ask that moderators and all me freinds who have talked about this, to stand by this new thread. for those of us for valid personal reasons, who need to vent, like I do at times, not to be forced to use a thread that rules are using the word hate..

Pesonally everytime I see that hate word, I remember that hate crime perpetrated aganst me, and others, I have known, and the scars it has left..
I think it only fair that there be such a place to vent with veringy degrees of dislike open to the person to display without it being hate..
I say the only rule here would be, if you hate use the other thread..
Like Thats all I have to say la..I hope its undertood, supported and accepted,and allowed as a valid alternative place to vent than I hate..

I care not that some fail to see me for who I truely am! Their bigotry and ill will,center deep in themselves and so take it out on others to make themselves feel better. All they accomplish is to make themselves as their hearts and souls truely are, rotten to the core!

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anyone who doesn't see Dezi for the Goddess she is.

Dez I knew I could count on you gentle soul that you are..how could as myrmaad said anyone not see the goddess in you...and I second third and fourth what you say..I refuse to stand by and see those I care about suffer from bigotry or injustice.
I strongly dislike that anyone would make Dezi feel this way..
I leave the hate thread to those who care not for others feelings..or what that word can do to others..

I so strongly dislike that I felt so bad inside myself that I hurt to the very core, that I did something in Oblivion, that I would never do.. I downloaded an overpowered Celt race with uber everything.., that made me invincible and saved my game and then went about the whole of Cryodill killing every single Imperial legion guard I could find..and everyone in the game that was cruel and insensitive..
Then I erased it, ...and got rid of said stuff..and came back here to find I was not alone...that i did not have to vent alone, or do such things for as I did in game, for fear I would..be in this thread alone..

I could give a R/A about social status; I'm a Medic, by trade, and the outer trappings on your body are far less important than what you choose to do with it.

Q: Who's cooler? Buddha or Ray Charles?
A: It's a trick-question. They are equally cool. Buddha is enlightened, and does not care what you are wearing.
And neither does Ray.

our buddah has a cool beard
I dislike that many treat others poorly by word and deed, and that I try to rise above my own faults, for I am not without them,but would rather bring love and understanding and to heal, than to damage and hurt!

I would really rather not lose my temper, as i do over so many trivial matters. Though, when a major cause requires a burst of righteous temper, I would really hope that those at which it is being directed do not take THAT as a trivial matter. I, somehow, dont think that they will.

Good one, this, A.

I second that..and add to that....or what lay inside..
Hmmmm not such a trick Q...but I like its logic..
For if we all were blind their would be no differences..
I dislike that others do not know the power of words, and wield them like swords..I too fall short as we all do on this path, I made my share of mistakes aye I do.. but have learned its ok, to fall on our faces, as long as we get up and keep on going, learn the power of the word I am sorry and mean it..and aye to heal not hurt, those who cross our paths to the best of our abilitiy...

Ah there you are.. C. take a bow for its title..to think for one moment I thought I would be alone here..
I rather not internalise like I did and take it out in my game, which I am suppose to be enjoying not doing what I did, out of sheer frustration..
I dislike when I lose my temper, as such red haired Irish are prone to..but righteous anger is NEVER a trivial matter. Those who do not undersatnd will never understand Chesto, and I could give a rats arse about them....for what goes around comes around..remember that C..
You right bugger, if I knew you were posting same time, I as, I would have just have edited, my other post..and added this..

Too true,as you sow,so shall you reap. Those black of heart and soul,die old and lonely and are doomed to rebirth lessened, until they make it right!

I could give a rats arse about finally getting one in before the mad aul etc, etc,. Wait a mo...no i couldnt.

...and dezi, I could give a rats arse whether they die lonely, and come back as rats arses, as long as me horse whip gets a taste of em first. The Angel of Vengeance could give a rats arse about reincarnation. ( acontextually speaking )

oh chesto, you make me laugh so much and now I forgot what I was going to say!

I give a rats arse about what i was feeling for you both made me laugh..la
I give a rats arse about whomever brought out the avenging Angel, for the Goddess of Justice sees all knows all and such vengeance will be had says the Goddess..wait and see..that which is hidden will be brought to the light..and in that light exposed, shall be expelled..like vomitous..

woo hoo....*.I could give a rat's arse* about the I Hate thread now that we have this one.
*I could give a rat's arse* that Aeryn started it, long as I wasn't giving in to Chesto's Jedi Mind Trick of him wanting *me* to start it. Give in to the Light side of The Force, you hoser !


EDIT: I typo/errored on Chesto's name and when I tried to edit it, the dial up line at work didn't give a rat's arse if the correction ever got through. So, corrected in now....as if any of you really give a rat's arse.

LMAO

I'm sorry you're hurting, Aeryn. I wish I could think of something profound to help you feel better. I stayed out of the "I Hate" thread for two reasons - one, it seemed too cliqueish (I hate cliques), and two, there just aren't a lot of things that I can think of to hate. Guess I should be happy I'm not preoccupied with hating.

Look at it this way, Aeryn. If somebody doesn't like me, I couldn't care less. I survived without them before, and I can easily do the same afterward. I decided that hurting inside is only hurting me and shortening my life. I figured out that if I choose to feel hurt inside, I can also choose not to feel hurt.

Like the title of your topic. Just say to yourself, "I don't give a rat's arse what someone else thinks of me. I'm not living for them anyway."

I could give a rats a** (yes, us Yanks use that expression too) about international diplomacy; if Chesto's offender (I've finally scanned enough previous posts to guess what was being done) is anywhere in South Korea, I can easily revert back to my Infantry ways for a few moments (ominous snickering) before applying some bandages to this cat.

What I have to give a rats arse about, right now, is the time; it's 11:39pm, here in Dongducheon. Must sleep.

i dislike with great intensity the bad mood i was in yesterday
i don't like that mom messed up the internet yesterday
i don't like that i poured apple juice in my cereal

Me, oh I could giv'a rats arse these days about what any one thinks of me, we Irish are pretty thick skinned, after all we gone though thus far la..Like I am of the age that, I could care less..already been through the worst of times..yet sentimental as all hell if its someone we care about thats being hurt..

I could give a rats arse about cliques also, but do like when good mates have your back wherever you are, and tend to be in the same place to do just that..

Hurting inside is inevitable at times, I am of a belief system, that knows, better your shadows, have a day, of expression, an released, then unrecognised and unexpressed slowly eat you away inside..
Most I could give a rats arse, but I am humyn, and have chronic pain, that I have no control over and it beats me down at times..
I could give a rats arse most of the times, but I care to much sometimes about the state of the world around me, or worse at times, even the nation around me, and can't help hurting about the trends I see, happening..and can do nothing about.

It is healthy to vent, without hate, its healthy to have good days, and bad days..
As long as you know when to get up and move on in the best way you can..

I could give a rats arse, about what anyone thinks..except at times, me mum who is dying, I have unresolved issues with her, that may ne'er get resolved now, and that gets to me now and then as I wait..

Like I really thank you for noticing though Varus.la...and that you like this better than I hate, for we all need to vent in a safe place at times..I did not feel safe there..hate never makes me feel safe, its just a word, some would say, but one that has to much force of its own behind it, and as a Sensitive I can feel it, and I do not like it..

...heh...like we really give a rat's arse about what you were going to say....

Hmm, well I have to admit, I had never even opened that other thread. Now that I've read this one perhaps I'm not alone in my belief of how much power words can have.

At the risk of boring you all perhaps I can relate a recent event.

Hmm, I suppose a little back-story is in order first. I'm the eldest of five and was born and raised in England. I came over to the US in '93. My siblings all have children but since I'm gay, I do not. My Sister Karen has a son, Karl. He is the only one of my nephews or nieces to have visited me over here in Los Angeles when Karen brought them both out in '99. Of course I saw him as he was growing up whenever I visited over there and I've been the Uncle who sends the good gifts. heh. I spent a fair bit of time with Karl on my last trip over two years ago as he was now 17 and there had been a big gap in my trips back home so I was getting to know the young man he is turning into.

So, I thought I had a good relationship with Karl who is quite a gentle soul.

A couple of weeks ago, much to my delight and surprise I got an invite to add Karl to my Facebook. The surprise factor was due to me not knowing he had used the internet at all yet because I've been trying for years to get him to e-mail me and I had set him up with his own e-mail address from my domain. Anyway, I immediately added him and started to check out his profile.

I then got a request from a girl I had never heard of. It turns out that she is Karl's girlfriend. Well I don't usually add people I don't know and so decided to finish reading Karl's profile and then hers before doing so.

OK, if you're still awake now we get to the pertinent part. On most of Karl's pictures, his girlfriend and her sister had posted comments.

These comments were "Karl looks so gay here" "gay" "gayer", etc. etc.

I'm not the sort of person who can let things like that slide but I also don't throw a fit. I just sent a polite message saying "Umm, you might want to talk to Karl about his Uncle before throwing that word around".

Then it all went to hell.

My gentle soul of a nephew apparently did not appreciate that and basically told me that if I didn't like it I needn't go to his page.

My next response was to try to explain to them the power that words can have. When that also wasn't received well I told them to "grow up".

It ended with Karl telling me that I've never been there for him anyway and so as far as he is concerned he only has two Uncles now, my Brothers.

I was quite upset as you can imagine.

Karen, his mother, was also very surprised as he doesn't usually lash out like that. I told her it was probably just because it involved his girlfriend and his emotions got the better of him.

When the story reached my Mother, however, she said "Well all the kids use that word now". I had "the discussion" with her about the power of words and that if we just let it slide it becomes commonplace. She hadn't realized it was being used in a negative way until she related that my Niece had recently used it when they were out shopping and my Mother had picked up an item of clothing to which my Niece said "Ooh no, Nan, that looks so gay!". heh

Still with me? I can't believe all of this is pouring out of me and I hope I'm not boring you.

In the days since, I've had this conversation with a couple of friends, even a gay girl. She was of the opinion that she doesn't give a damn. She couldn't see where I was coming from. I told her that if black people had just given in to the derogatory N word being used at them then that too would now be commonplace. I know they use it between themselves but that's another story.

Phew. Done.

So am I just crazy here. My thinking was that I didn't let strangers in my online games such as WoW or people I've run into in real life just throw that word around so I could hardly let it slide from a family member without at least trying to explain.

Cheers.

Fair warning: never use the phrase "risk of boring you" or anything similar here, or some smartarse....and I won't mention my...um...his name...yeah...his name, might use it as a straight line.
Anyway, welcome to the forums, and I for one, hope you have an enjoyable time here, either as a frequent pest--um...poster or one that justs pops in from time to time.
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Too many people don't realize the power of words, especially from a loved one. I feel your pain, having been on both sides of word usage. Hope he soon realizes his error and you all can work things out.
I have a nephew that's gay; matters not; since when I talk about my nephew, the word used most often before the word "nephew" is "favourite".
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woo hoo ...glad that part is over.
And I could give a rat's arse you didn't say "I could give a rat's arse."

we???, you and the mouse in your pocket?, and I could give a rats arse that you could give a rats arse about what I had to say, because it may have been about you or maybe a rats arse, see?? One or the other would have proven to be a great piece of conversationalism, pertaining to you or the rats backside, either of which could be similar or not(poor rat)
Anyway when it comes to the subject of you or a rats arse, (again my condolences to the rat), I have to admit that my knowledge of either leaves a lot to be desired.
Rats arses don't excite me in any way shape or form and my politeness makes me refrain from passing judgement on someone I know not.
So... all in all mos, your cool, the rats arse is cooler! And whether or not that makes sense, I could give a rats arse about!

....heh...ask me if I give a rat's arse....

Okay..you say that you can't do it based on a matter of principle. So..why don't you just not do it? Because really, all I get from this post is "I don't like it, and what I want goes". Hate is as valid of an emotion as is happiness. So you think that you were victimized by hatred? I'm sorry. However, hatred never affects anyone in a positive way. Everyone who is affected by it (and everyone is) is a victim of it. But I personally won't shut myself off to it, because I want to live my life to the fullest. This means taking the good and the bad.

Thanks to all who have posted in this thread, quite an entertaining read; like any of you give a rats arse anyway.

I don't know what "give a rat's arse" means but i give a rat's arse to it, so...

It means, I couldn't care less.

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Actually, I believe it is always misquoted by Americans. *ducks*

Most will say "I could care less" "I could give a (insert animal)'s arse" when really they should be saying "I COULDN'T care less" or "I wouldn't / couldn't give a (insert animals)'s arse".

If you are saying you could care less or you could give a rat's arse (though how you would even get one is a question I probably don't want answered) then that implies you do care somewhat when the whole point of the comments is to convey that you care as little as is possible.

Cheers.

Its used here in Eire all the time..it is a oppsite thing true..it means I don't care, but I do..it's believed that a rat was used in the expression because of the way people view the rodent (annoying and small).
which is the point of this thread all the annoying small things that get us down..la

Respect to you Buddha..thnaks for droppin' by
Its used here in Eire all the time..it is a opposite thing true..it means I don't care, but I do..it's believed that a rat was used in the expression because of the way people view the rodent (annoying and small).
which is the point of this thread all the annoying small things that get us down..la

I could give a rats arse about semantics.
I could give a rats arse about whether or not the Irish nation take words and twist and turn them so that one never knows which way is up, but that the ride is so fekkin fun, and tragic, that you dont know whether to laugh or cry.
I could give a rats arse that, lately , i have had to come to my keyboard armed with at least one box of tissues, and that most of the time my specs are awash with unmanly tears. I could give a rats arse that said tears are considered unmanly. I so could give a rats arse about that.

Oh the poor rats.

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EDIT: Deeply offensively flippant crass stoopid mindless headupownarse post removed by deeply apologetic poster. Sorry, A. Truely. C.

Aeryn,

try not to let people get to you too much. Much in life is about interpretation and perception and given that people have had varied experiences in life to go along with the similar we all have, this can cause misunderstanding, confusion, etc.

Anyway, you should especially not let someone on the "aether" of the internet upset you.

Cheers.

[quote name='Aeryn333' post='523172' date='Aug 6 2008, 05:05 AM'][quote name='Timihendrix91' post='523127' date='Aug 6 2008, 03:36 AM'][quote name='Aeryn333' post='522316' date='Aug 5 2008, 09:50 AM']I am doing this, not out of some moralistic reason, atall..on the contray it has nothing to do with that..

Like so many of us, find the I hate thread to strong, since we talk about it amoungst ourselves and no-one has attempted to rectify it with an altrenative..
I thought this bold Irish Corkian Rebel lass, would..give it my best go.I[b] hope you will stand by me all you that agree as I stick my neck out here for us all..that feel the same..
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Easy sister, relax and breathe. Those who have never experienced it first hand ,know not of what they speak The word hate is thrown about with reckless abandon now-a-days, and people think that they know what hate is. You know my beloved sister,for I could feel the pain in your words.
My heart aches that you had to be brutalized and witness such things, I can only imagine how you suffered and still do. Ignor those that haven't a clue, for they never will.

I have a family member who too has been brutalized for what she is. Hours have I spent holding her while she cried. Today I am shunned by some for they confuse me with her because we share the same IP address. I and my father were banned from a site because we refused to answer questions posed by moderators and admins of that site...Frankly its none of their fekkin business nor anyone else's.
People will judge and hurt and rape and kill because they deem it that its right. All it shows is their own cowardice, how they must hate themselves to hate someone else for being themselves because it doesn't fit their idea of how things should be.
Never be afraid to stand for what you believe in Aeryn, for I stand with you,and as long as those of us who know the truth and respect others and judge not,then we are truely a force to be reckoned with! Love and happiness Aeryn,you will always carry a spot in my heart!

I have considered holding my tongue, but

Oh well, I guess I won't.


I somewhat agree with TimiHendrix' perception if not his tone.

I have known great tragedy of my own in my life. I was molested as a little person, gang-raped as a 12 year old virgin, and watched my mother commit suicide with a shotgun just a week before the rape. I have seen a woman I had no respect for plot for 25 years and finally succeed in getting my husband to cheat on me with her.

I have a right to my wrath.

I have forgiven much, and that is good.

I won't stand by and be judged for having a valid emotion that I believe is valid and offers some protection in its own negative way. It is a very ancient emotion, leftover from our primal times but what researchers call the "old brain" the ancient part of our psyche that controls "fight or flight" and does not recognize rationale or logic, is wrongfully demonized, I think.

I have the deepest sympathy and empathy for Aeryn's experience.

That's all I'm going to say for now.

I could give a rats arse for the ones who inflict damage on others because they're callus and uncaring.
Myrmaad my heart goes out to you,to have suffered as a young child like you did and still remain a nice and loving person,shows that the spirit can rise above all things.
blessed be sister!

I will first thank Dez for standing by me...right now I can say no more...Dez..except thank you..and i love you too..

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A wise ol' Druid Grans of mine taught me, hate and love cannot exsist in the same place..and thats all I have to say..I choose love...words hurt, use them carefully.la..

Just because there are people that misuse hate doesn't mean I should completely take it out of my life or pretend it doesn't exist. I don't imbrace hate, indeed unbridled hate is an incredibly dangerous thing, but then again any emotion that is not controlled is dangerous. What I don't understand is how you think that simply changing the name of the emotion (Hate to dislike) suddenly changes the emotion, when it doesn't.

Why are your hands shaking? I'm just discussing.


Of course, me too. I should have worded my post better. I wasn't questioning the validity of what had happened to her. I was simply stating that everyone has been victimized by hatred to some degree.


Please calm down. I did not insult you or belittle you at all, and so I don't know why you are taking this so personally.

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It deeply saddens me to see this turmoil amounst us.As humans we will fall prey to emotion, we cannot live without our emotions.
I take no sides and only wish to see peace and harmony here as this should be a place we all enjoy.
Forgiveness starts in the heart and cleanses the soul, understanding is the key to forgiveness and acceptance of one, is acceptance of all that makes that person.
We all have a right to vent,to say whats in our hearts,and I judge no one but myself, for I know me better than anyone as Aeryn knows herself and myrmaad herself.
we need to face our anger and our pain for the healing to begin and I have seen that in the topics here, but hate eats you up inside,its a cancer that grows and grows till all the good is gone and only hate remains, love and forgiveness of those that have wronged us is not easy,but to forgive means to forgive and move on I love you all,and we share much and as we are close so will we at times become angry with each other, sisters always do, as do brothers, but we forgive and move on...

It's not a lecture, I was saying my piece, and that's all. I mean no ill-will, but I think the world is a world of both light and dark, and both must be respected as the whole.

I simply believe like you what my grans taught me, that wise ol' Druid womon, hate and love cannot abide in the same place and i choose love..But I was hurting, I was there, I was trying to get out of there..You know me, I forgive and let go, but it was hard to with all that coming at me..I just needed some compasion dezi thats all..not logic..sorry for not being me but for the mess it caused..

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my sweet sister, you know your heart and what you need to do.You are wise, as is myrmaad and sometimes the written word is hard to discern what is really meant. Words sometimes cut,like a blade ,but only if we let them,for are they not ..just words?
love, dezi

I don't want to argue..


really well put.


I'm sorry, I didn't realize what you are going through. I'll just let it die. I don't normally take things on forums very seriously, so it can be easy for me to get carried away.

Bravo!!!!
I could give a rats arse about feeling bad today,happy I'd rather be!

I couldn't say it any better
In the end we're all going to worm meat, unless your going to be a sneaky bugger, and get yourself cremated.
To those that just see the darkness in my words. My point is our physical being doesn't mean anything.