Here it is. I've been a Bioware fan since the first days of the original Neverwinter Nights, But I can honestly say that I won't be buying this. And as aggravated as I am about this, I'm not going to buy Mass Effect either(had been planning on it).

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Buddah

I never liked MMO's, the only one I played was Anarchy online and I got bored after a while, I guess the developers are publishing MMO's not to write interesting questlines and good story, it is way easier to put a lot of people online and let them wander around using their powers and such...

But for Mass Effect, I will recommend you to give it a try, it is a great game, the story is a bit ordinary but the way the story is presented to you is good... The game is even better on PC... Give it a try I think you will not regret it...

yes i heard about that KOTOR3 there was a rumor going around that there was to be a online verson and a single player verson and you get own party but i dont know if it has been changed

Col John Sheppard

It looks like everybody is jumping on the MMO bandwagon. Likely due to the phenomenal success of WOW. Every game company wants a piece of the gold that WOW brings in. Unfortunately, not all game scenarios lend themselves to the premise of WOW. I played and loved the original single player Warcraft and Warcraft II. But totally lost interest when it became an on line game.


It is my fervent hope that Bethesda can avoid the siren call of both the console market and MMO and keep The Elder Scrolls as a single player PC game. There are already enough MMOs out there (both good and bad) for the people who like that genre. And more than enough console games. But fewer and fewer games being made for PC or single player.

I appreciate the recommendation, but i've already beaten it. A friend was kind enough to loan me his copy for the 360. I enjoyed it quite a bit, but this has me a bit frustrated that Bioware put profits over quality(Lets face it, KOTOR was never an MMO type of game), so for now, I won't be buying it. I wouldn't mind at all if it was both a single player game and an MMO (Like Diablo2), but that doesn't seem to be the case.

Well... crap. I personally am not a fan of MMO's, so I'm quite disappointed that KOTOR 3 is going to be one. Guess I'll have to stick with good old Atton for now.

seems to be a big conflict with MMOs then if they are making a lot more of them

Col John Sheppard

I like MMO's but I don't think MMO's should be based on currently existing game lores such as KOTOR or warcraft. I like WoW but I feel WoW has destroyed its lore and I'll be jumping off the WoW bandwagon next year after I get a taste of WOTLK. Funny and hypocritical thing about that though is I'll be abandoning WoW for Warhammer: age of reckoning. I think it's because I'm such a huge Warhammer and 40K nut that I have to at least give it a try.

Indeed this is a huge disappointment, I was really looking forward to another KOTOR game but I don't do MMO's never have and never will. Oh I have tryed them, WoW with it's mindlessly repetitive leveling tasks, Eve Online and Entropia Universe are about the same when it comes to enormously wasteful and time consuming collection of resources, my love of Star Wars forced me to try Galaxies but again it was the same old crap. If I'm going to take crap from people on a daily basis I want to get paid for it. I play games to escape the rat race not glorify and indulge in it. Sad day indeed.

As far as an Elder Scrolls MMO is concerned...well that's official too, it will be done, just not by Bethesda.

I don't know wether to say thank god bethesda's not in charge oh god bethesda's not in charge. Wether it was made by bethesda or not I'm not going to play it. As much as I love TES universe I don't feel it would make a good MMO. Maybe a 4-6 players online but never an MMO.

That... really bites.

Both KOTOR games were quite enjoyable, but it looks like I'll be taking a pass on this one. Probably for the better, too, because MMOs rarely have a story worth telling... and it's a pain in the posterior to build your own story and RP it when there are n00bs all around you that couldn't care less about immersion. My online entertainment has been, and probably always will be, provided by non-RPG games for the sake of my sanity and enjoyment. I take roleplaying and story far too seriously to not be frustrated senseless by most of the MMOs I've seen over the years. I get annoyed just watching people play them.

I did my first MMO starting back in December - Tabula Rasa - so I could game with a few friends. Now I haven't done a lot of MMO's, but the time and effort to level is what is killing the game for me. Trying to put a group together to earn experiance and deal with the characters that run through and ruin your 'mission' is a total pain. I absalutly hate having to deal with childern in and during the time I get to play a game

I can't see KOTOR being a MMO and keeping the story line, it would have to be a major change in the entire structure of the game.

While I don't like MMO's as much as games like Oblivion, I'll have to wait and see what they roll out before I make a call. If they do a quick and cheap job to roll out an MMO, I'm gone. The last KOTOR was suppose to have a lot more story line to it but they got in a hurry to get it out so they had to cut sections of it out to meet the release date someone set. You have to know that kids will be all over it when it's released.

If they take their time and develop something that has a great story line and great play as an MMO game, I'll give it a look - otherwise I'll leave it to the childern to play and go back to Oblivion.

Hahahahaha! It's a sad truth. Try as I might, I'm still having trouble wrapping my head around the idea of this.

Wow, I hope it isn't exclusively online. I was really hoping that they would do a knights of the new republic or something like that, but whatever. Parts of oblivion (such as the arena) would be cool as an online game, but the whole quest thing wouldn't work too well imo.

that sucks. the already relased MMO based on star wars totally sucked, it cost more MAKING it then they got from selling it

i think some people will stick to KOTOR 1 and 2 then 3 cos of the online bit its a shame really

Col John Sheppard

they should just skip the MMO and do a proper ending to KOTOR 2

There is..But you just have to do a lot of work to really get the missing pieces of the storyline that make it make sense.

Well there goes my day.

This is a shocker. I'd assumed the less than stellar reception of SW: Galaxies would've detracted heavily from the idea. Optimistically, perhaps this coming game will make use of innovative features and unique gameplay elements, the likes of which we've never seen. And Bioware will continue to produce offline KOTOR RPGs for its loyal fanbase with extras like freshly baked cookies delivered by the Easter Bunny.

Kidding aside, I just hope it isn't the same old MMO formula with lightsabers.

lol ya... kotor 1 had the most surprising ending of all stories i played so far and i was overwhelmed and sad it was over just yet... 2 improved on all aspects but the story... with half the quests broken never to be fixed and only privateeers trying to fix robo planet and the like the series ended there for me...

mmo? kiss my bum! played a few and always got bored after half a year if not killed earlier by the crazy economy or the awkward "laws" endorsed by the devs... "buy from our gold mail and be allowed to cheat... dont and we fork you how we like" or even better "ya we gave permission to botting goldsellers to be our official partner... live with it" SCREW MMOS! basicly a good idea (communicate and adventure with people of all kinds of cultures... "wisdom spread") but companies destroy the fun like always...
and since lucas arts are a company theyll screw it for sure... georgy just became too senile imo

so ill rather just venture outside and get srewed by reallife instead of some malaysian virtual emperor...

<--- aint she cute

Very disappointing indeed. I certainly won't be buying it.

By the way, for those that don't know, a mod for KotOR II is in the works that will restore all the cut content. It's been in the works for over two years, but it's finally nearing completion. Bug testing is all that remains.
http://www.team-gizka.org/index.html

Was looking forward to this. Not anymore.

With SWG being such a failure in its final hours, I think Lucas Arts got a bit desperate for an MMO to pick it up and try again. They weren't gonna get SOE in on it, after their decline in popularity. They weren't gonna keep it to the film timezone. KOTOR time is just the next best thing.

I'll be buying this and playing it for at least a short time. But I imagine it'll be soon after when the developers decide to bring about another single player one.

This isn't so much KOTOR 3, if I'm right, but a chance for players to get freely involved in the SW universe during those pretty nifty times.

I make a general rule not to pay for a video game more than once.

Not even games with branching story lines like the KOTOR series, or Deus Ex? You're seriously missing out on some great stuff, but hey, unto each his own I guess.

unless he buys the game again? i dont know

Carth Onasi

I mean pay a monthly subscription.

I can understand that LA wants to distance itself from SWG by banking on a title that got rave reviews, but KOTOR should still get a proper sequel. One that has a beginning, a middle, and *gasp* an end. KOTOR2 was great (still loads better than any of the movie prequels), but it had no ending- just a boss battle and a transition cutscene. Nobody who watched that sequence expected the credits to roll; they expected a final goodbye that would at the very least tell them who lived and who died. Cut-off cliffhangers do not a series finish. MMOs do not good sequels make.

i say this is just gonna crash and burn. Sci-Fi do not make good MMO as far as i've seen.

I know what you mean. I play games to enjoy myself, not to be on a schedule. That's probably the single biggest reason that I dislike MMOs.

Sorry, but I think you guys got it confused. This MMO isn't KoTOR. Heck, this new MMO is only related to KoTOR by only when it takes place, which is Old Republic. The working title is "Star Wars: The Old Republic". I don't see "Knights of" in there. And they didn't trademark anything other then the following for this mmo: Star Wars: The Old Republic, Star Wars: Saga and Star Wars: Legends.

The engine is also under the HeroEngine. If I am correct, KoTOR didn't use HeroEngine.

Too Long; Didn't Read Version: My post = http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage....;topic=44365652

Pretty much.

I agree jojo man, I tried WoW & it ended up feeling like I was paying to work (not "play") in a fantasy enviroment..

i disagree there some games like Taba Rasha is sc-fi and its a great game EVE ONLINe is also Sc-fi

Stargate Worlds is sc-fi

basiclly just wait and be surprised

Carth Onasi

Still not very good news.

I see the point that the MMO will only take place in that specific era, however, if it's developed at the expense of a proper sequel to the Sith Lords, I don't see this calming anyone down. All it really means is that Kotor 3 will continue to go undeveloped while LucasArts focuses on an alternate title with a congruent setting-- made in collaboration with Bioware no less, a group that seemingly wanted nothing more to do with LucasArts' KOTOR series. Right, "this isn't a KOTOR" you're going to repeat. But it's another Bioware developed SW game taking place in the Old Republic. Pretty darn close, wouldn't you say? These two at last come together only instead of releasing the game fans want and expect, it's something else entirely. It's like if the Beatles had reunited to make rap renditions of their classics.

Sadly, it looks like KOTOR gets the back burner again. Sure, the MMO might be cool, I'm not discounting that at all. However, the game we want regresses right back to the aggravating stages of idle speculation and wondering if or when it will actually happen.

Where's the silver lining?

My guess is that the sliver lining is somewhere inside the silver bullet that LucasArts used to shoot down hopes for the series.

If it's going to be an MMORPG, It better not be a turn-based, or "your attack" missed kind of gameplay. I swung a warhammer in your face! What do you mean the attack missed!!!!

The only good thing that would come out of this being an MMO would be the ability to be different species

I personally would love to be a Counselor Selcath

Finally, some new info on this thing courtesy of IGN.






Ok, I'll admit it sounds like Bioware's trying to make some good things happen by focusing on a story driven experience. So far the game reminds me slightly of Guild Wars through features like AI companions, which I'll take over real people almost any day for an important mission. Great feature. Even money says it'll help attract people who (gasp) enjoy solo play in MMOs. Can't wait to see how they address combat, but in all honesty, I doubt they'll innovate much in that area.

However, one thing I take issue with is being "emotionally anchored" to a construct companion I have to pay monthly to care about. Sounds like some odd form of prostitution, ha. Of course it isn't as if I'll play the damned thing.

Lastly, I could have done without the crack about this MMO having enough content to fill KOTORs 3-9. Bound to be taken the wrong way. Try not to prod the fans you pissed off, Bioware & Lucasarts. The Old Republic may elicit praise on its own merits, but it is NOT the game a number of us wanted.

I was hoping for a new Star Wars game base off of KotOR, but this? give me a break
I like paying a one time fee for games, NOT a monthly fee.
I got no problems with some MMO type games like GW (no fees)
But who knows maybe it be a great game, only time will tell

Correct me if I'm wrong but this doesn't confirm that they are precluding the idea of further KOTOR games. Just because they are basing their MMORPG in the time of the old Republic doesn't mean they can't continue the actual KOTOR series does it?

In any case, they'd better not bugger it up as they did with Star Wars Galaxies else it'll be another huge waste of money and disappointment to many. Hopefully they've learned from their mistakes.

Cheers.

Michlo, that's the question now. We already know that the KOTOR 3 idea was abandoned to create this MMO so it doesn't reflect well on the answer.

A key quote from that video:

From Tom Nichols. Doesn't sound too great, I know.

But in truth, it's possible that a single-player KOTOR might see release eventually since TOR uses a setting some 300 years after its events. So the story of Revan or the Exile won't see completion therein. Room enough to save our desired game for later development. No one's saying it won't happen ever, but it will not happen probably for a year or so. And that's if you're a glass half full kind of guy.

As for me (the pessimist), I'm pretty much done with hoping and waiting for a game that no one seems to want to do. There are better titles out there worth the attention.

Did you ever play Everquest?

Was lots of roleplayers in that game when I used to play.

Quite amusing at times.

I am acctualy a fan of W.o.W and its pretasecer Warcraft 2. They way i looked at it was that W.o.W was more of a story after the story... In Warcraft 2 (If you played it) There was a time when you played as the "Lich King" or soon to be anyways... You made an assault on Silver Moon, A Blood elf city. In W.o.W you deal with the after math of the attack, granted the "scurge" or undead or a part of the hord... Although in Warcraft 2, the where technicaly Allience...

Point being, this new "KOTOR 3" may just be the story after the story... There are up ands downs to this new instalment... As in any. One of the main reasons i picked up W.o.W was for the story line... Yes there is story line in W.o.W you just have to look in the right places...

I vote dont knock it tell you try it... I for one will probley go and get it.

I would not buy The Old Republic Massively Multi-Player Role Playing Game -it is Star Wars: The Old Republic, not Kot0R 3-, nor would I buy a The Elder Scrolls MMORPG, for I loath MMOs and MMORPGs on principle – I paid $50 for this software and now you want me to pay you every month for the privilege of using it?! Why cannot you simply give me the original game for free and charge fees, or, better yet, why cannot I buy the original game and have free multi-player support, like Neverwinter Nights I and II support, in addition to a single-player element? I belonged to several guilds in Neverwinter Nights and it was fun to play with other people every once and a while, however, you had the option of using customized content and modules in that game’s on-line elements, something most MMOs and MMORPGs lack.