SplinterCellDude
Mar 4 2004, 01:11 AM
I was once trying to make a middle-earth mod... but no one could do the landscaping and texturing for it, so I was wondering if it ouwld be legal to take things like the land and weapons from the mod, and make your own with them, and distribute it for free (with all the proper credits for the FABULOUS mod team here!)
Daerk
Mar 4 2004, 01:40 AM
It will not be legal to redistribute the MEMod content as your own.
Given proper credits and retaining filenames, if you REQUEST authorization to use MEMod's content, we will give permission (in some cases) to release your mod using our content... but ONLY if certain requirements are kept.
-- D
Ancalagon
Mar 4 2004, 03:25 AM
*looks hungrily
Ohh, yess a nice addition to the 'D on...' preciousss...
*cuts and pastesess my preciouss
yess, ashes and dust, preciousss we haves an addition we does...Smeagol my love...
Rynos
Mar 4 2004, 04:41 AM
Yeah... one of the requirements should be it has to be canocal.. no elves at helms deep bull.
Muennin
Mar 4 2004, 05:32 AM
OT: Canocal, my favorite fiber supplement. Ask your doctor if Canocal is right for you!
SplinterCellDude
Mar 4 2004, 09:44 PM
Thanks Daerk, and to the whole team, keep up the AWESOME work
ImmortalSnafu
Apr 5 2004, 02:59 AM
| QUOTE |
| Yeah... one of the requirements should be it has to be canocal.. no elves at helms deep bull. |
That whole elves at Helm's Deep really pissed me off...and Haldir dying
At least i know I'm not alone!
Greywolf
Apr 5 2004, 06:39 AM
*sigh* ... will the people ever get over the fact that the movies are ARTISTICALLY LICENSED!!!!!!!! Stop complaining, jeez, the elves and haldir's death were there to serve a purpose and unfortunately you don't realize the precious little "system" in hollywood. Here is what happens, okay everybody ... A: The screenwriters or a group writes the script (oh hooray lets just take the book its that easy) ... well no ... lets see for the clearly thick skull audience that has obviously never read the books (be serious not everybody is a die hard fan) don't know or quite grasp that wonderful BACKSTORY - omg I feel like Lucas ... because of that we the movie watchers need to be reminded it or introduced to it in some fashion, and to character concepts that in the visual and audio world of film does not quite translate from written literature where we can clearly define what is going on. Thus, we now have to show ... not tell ... the love between Arwen and Aragorn, the trials of Aragorn and the sacrafice of Arwen, the degredation of Frodo, the coniving of Gollum, the loyalty of Sam, the sturdiness of Gimli so on and so on. Not tell show.
Okay ... well the screenwriters have added such nice scenes that help do that, like all the Arwen and Aragorn sequences. Well we just tweaked a bunch of bull not in the books, OMG we're not canon ... but the people who have never even picked up the book (to which this film is also made for) remember please ... Hollywood is all about money not about ideals. Okay, screenwriter is done lets say, they added a mess load of stuff, including the elves at Helms Deep which showed heavily not only Elronds ironic words of "will you trust the dwarves, they hide in their caves and care not for ... etc." While his own people are running away.
Sorry, just a dramatic irony, but it shows (not tells) Elronds own struggle. Next ... cut out uneeded characters of minimal value. Shame Glorfindel didn't show up, why ... well sorry but except for that one incident he's not in the entire story again (at least in any point of worth) BUT now we can introduce a character of importance, elven character to remain fairly canatonical ... Legolas (like the animated version) no ... instead we will introduce the love interest of our king, showing her in a nice politically correct female role in which she is both strong and brave (no offense ladies ... I loved it personally) but it attracts the ladies, they don't want ... how shall I put it (Willie from Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom, in which the feminist movement got tick off if I remember because she was too steroetypical female.)
Also, hmm ... what about, uh I don't know changing the lines around, how about in the book it was Gandalf who WANTED to go into Moria and Aragorn who did not ... well whose trial is it next, Gandalf's and to further Aragorn's decision of being growing into his kingship (bleh) we have made him fairly in the background (as he takes over upon Gandalf's death) so we have Gandalf giving us foreshadowing (ooo nice) and Saurumon punching us in the head with even more ... why because its a 3 hour movie and the normal audience needs incentive and the knowledge of what the hell is going on now.
Back to the process that started this tirade. Screenwriter's write it, Director rewrites and directs it, edits it, then usually the publishers get a say in it, then the corporate leaders, then a test audience, then it goes back to square one until everybody is satisfied and usually a good movie is whittled to sawdust. Now we ask ... if it was director say only ... why is there a directors cut. Simple this is an epic of grand proportions ... I think its quite amazing that they were able to get the majority of the information accross while showing the conflicts and growth of every single major character throughout the films. So why don't we both give our complaints a rest, yours about the movie, and mine about the complaints ... and just enjoy it as a movie ... not the books, not an interpretation of the books, but an attempt to show the ideals, themes, characterisation, plot and everything that makes that a book in a theatrical version and be bloody happy about it.
end of tirade
nothing said here reflects the opinions of the memod team or other affiliates and is the words and to current knowledge opinion of the author ... so deal with it.
Icefiddell
Apr 5 2004, 06:51 AM
that...that, was beautiful *a tear runs down cheek*
The Ashlander
Apr 5 2004, 07:31 PM
Gray Wolf, are you sure that you could´t have minimized that a little bit but.... it´s great that somebody has time to explain to the "less wise"(like me

)....that....you where saying
Cailwyn
Apr 5 2004, 11:56 PM
I love seeing a Senior Dev demonstrating a furious argument
IN FAVOR of the movies. Hard core(or rather over expecting and unrealistic) fans are really depriving themselves of the enjoyment of seeing the greatest story of all time come to life. I absolutely love the movies. The only thing that bothered me(and its a little thing that never interfeared with my enjoyment of the fims) is the portrail of Gimli as a helpless bumbler. Even Faramire, although following an un-canical corse, still retained his true nature.
Man, here I go... got to cut myself off before I obliderate the topic, so.....
PEACE
White Wolf
Apr 6 2004, 12:39 AM
| QUOTE (Cailwyn @ Apr 6 2004, 12:56 AM) |
I love seeing a Senior Dev demonstrating a furious argument IN FAVOR of the movies. Hard core(or rather over expecting and unrealistic) fans are really depriving themselves of the enjoyment of seeing the greatest story of all time come to life. I absolutely love the movies. The only thing that bothered me(and its a little thing that never interfeared with my enjoyment of the fims) is the portrail of Gimli as a helpless bumbler. Even Faramire, although following an un-canical corse, still retained his true nature.
Man, here I go... got to cut myself off before I obliderate the topic, so.....
PEACE |
I was quite interested in Greywolf's post as well, so I made a wee poll
here to see what the rest of the forum thinks.
DMKW
Apr 6 2004, 05:07 AM
correct me if i'm wrong...but IIRC according to Bethesda's terms of service..isn't anything you make with TESCS property of Bethesda? which means we could do whatever we wanted with this mod..since its their property and not yours. so he technically can take your mod and edit it and distribute it how he wants....i don't know how you think you made it illegal to destribute something you don't own in the first place. again correct me if i'm wrong
Wookiee
Apr 6 2004, 06:08 AM
who said we are making it with the TES CS?
DMKW
Apr 7 2004, 01:34 AM
so your making the memod withought the construction editor? come on
Daerk
Apr 7 2004, 01:58 AM
Firstly: Although Bethsoft has the legal statement that they own the mod's that modders make for their game... it's actually untrue.
Intellectual property and artistic copyright still carries over even into modification creation for an existing product.
This is why Bethsoft cannot legally take your mods and re-distribute them on their own CD. They don't own the rights to do so. The mod creator does.
Secondly: No, we are NOT using the Construction Set for the majority of the MEMod's development. I wrote multiple custom tools including a BSA archiver, an NPC generator and editor, a script compiler, an enhanced terrain generator/editor, etc.
-- D
DMKW
Apr 7 2004, 05:30 AM
so we run a program along with the memod? thats cool. also in case you are interested Aeralorn over on the ES forums made a mod (using a program) that allows you to right in the journal in game. i've seen a video of proof about it and it looked good...might be a good thing to add to your program if you haven't already.
Dark0ne
Apr 7 2004, 10:11 AM
And surely the MEMod own all the models and textures that they've created, since they weren't made with TES:CS. Isn't much to edit/duplicate without all the custom models and textures is there? LoL.
SplinterCellDude
Apr 8 2004, 11:29 AM
You should make a Development release when your done, hehe
Id' perosnally like to see those programs
ImmortalSnafu
Apr 9 2004, 01:22 AM
| QUOTE |
| *sigh* ... will the people ever get over the fact that the movies are ARTISTICALLY LICENSED!!!!!!!! Stop complaining, jeez, the elves and haldir's death were there to serve a purpose and unfortunately you don't realize the precious little "system" in hollywood. |
I recognize this Greywolf, it is an impossiblity for Hollywood to ever reproduce a book in movie form perfectly. The elves in Helm's Deep does serve a good purpose and fits well into the movies. The movies fit almost every detail of the ridiculous in-depth story of The Lord of the Rings. I agree with you complely, I was just dreaming of a world with no "system". A world of 200 hour long Lord of the Rings movies...
I'm sorry if I offended you Greywolf...you seemed kind of pissed
Radagast: Master of Hues
Aug 11 2004, 10:12 PM
“No, we are NOT using the Construction Set for the majority of the MEMod's development. I wrote multiple custom tools including a BSA archiver, an NPC generator and editor, a script compiler, an enhanced terrain generator/editor, etc.” – Daerk
But the application description for world builder is….
“World-Builder: We need people well seasoned with the TES:Construction Set for Morrowind to world-build. Knowledge is everything with this, a good working knowledge of the Editor is a must.”
So have things changed when Daerk left or is only a portion of World building being done with the TES: Construction Set (This doesn’t make sense because there is no other program experince needed for world builder, or do they teach you how to use the different tools when you join the team as a world builder?)
surian
Aug 12 2004, 07:22 AM
Please refrain from thread necromancy. If you don't know what that is:
Don't ressurect threads that have been inactive for a long period of time. I've looked through your other posts and it seems that this is the only time it's happened so no biggie. Just a friendly warning. You don't want to get DarkOne angry...
Morgoth
Aug 12 2004, 07:31 AM
Actually, there is nothing wrong about Radagast's post. As a reminder, thread necromancy as such does not exist on the MEMod boards, providing you have something meaningful/useful to say and don't spam. In case of Radagast's post, his question is valid and deserves and answer.
With Daerk's departure, certain things were lost to us ("We’ll not deny his departure from active involvement is a setback to the mod", as we put it in our official announcement), and to these belong the aforementioned programmes which had not been released to the team yet (as there was still a number of bugs he wanted to remove before letting people work with them). As of now, worldbuilding will be done with the TES:CS, as described in the jobs section of our homepage.
Of course the BSA archiver is excluded, as that has been publicly available already for quite some time.
Kahenraz
Aug 12 2004, 05:58 PM
Maybe we should just call the game "Midlirth" and be done with it. Oh, yes. Just add a few silent 'h's and we'll be set.
You see, it was *really* Bilboh who found the oneness of the only ring of superpower..
DMKW
Aug 12 2004, 08:23 PM
lol
ImmortalSnafu
Aug 13 2004, 12:10 AM
Sounds good to me

.
Kahenraz
Aug 14 2004, 05:52 PM
Then Midlirth it is!
valdir
Aug 14 2004, 10:20 PM
You should tell the tale of Forod Bragans and his adventure to mt death with his friend, erm.. Sean Garmget. Then he meats up with their friends Propin and Mory.
Then they head to Mee and find the Ranger... uh, Rider. So, Rider tells them they need to camp out on Hilltop and Forod gets stabbed by a Rangghost.
Then they need to go to Ravendale so Forod can get healed by El-rand Lord of Ravendale.
It's brilliant.
~Valdir
Theta Orionis
Aug 14 2004, 10:23 PM
Ever read 'Bored of the Rings'?
RidersOfRohan
Aug 20 2004, 01:27 PM
Heyy All
Forget about all thinks
When we can play this mod what is the realise date
InstInct
Aug 20 2004, 03:03 PM
*takes out vacume cleaner to permanently remove what is left of RidersOfRohan after devs read yet another request for a release date*
Zaephion
Aug 25 2004, 01:34 AM
| QUOTE (InstInct @ Aug 20 2004, 03:03 PM) |
| *takes out vacume cleaner to permanently remove what is left of RidersOfRohan after devs read yet another request for a release date* |
But... if no one ever asked for a release date, wouldn't the PR guys be out of a job?
Rynos
Aug 25 2004, 02:21 AM
Zaephion,
not really...
You can ask better questions, rather then the about release date... Also I do do more then just answer questions.
RidersOfRohan,
MEMod, atm, has no date set for the releases of the Beta 1, Beta 2, or Final versions.
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