helzi
Jul 10 2008, 08:23 AM
Right - I love the way that on Oblivion the magicka returns to normal over a period of time, but in Morrowind you have a blow all your money on a potion... I mean AHH!
Does that p$%# you off too?
Halororor
Jul 10 2008, 10:24 AM
The only thing that pissed me off about morrowind is that I lost my copy of it and I haven't even seen half of the land.
dezdimona
Jul 10 2008, 11:09 AM
Morrowind was ok,I lost interest in it. I prefer Oblivion,for me it does everything I want a game to do....well almost!
little timmy
Jul 10 2008, 12:07 PM
well i'd have to say oblivion becuase i havnt played Morrowind but my friend had it and i saw him play and it looked a bit crappy. and most newer versions of games are always a bit better and then somtimes game makers just ruin it. for example any 1 heard of the empire earth games the first was the best and then they blew it on the 2nd and 3rd versions. well thats my input lol.
cheers mate

EDIT: i kinda went off topic i apologize
helzi
Jul 10 2008, 12:26 PM
QUOTE(little timmy @ Jul 10 2008, 01:07 PM)

well i'd have to say oblivion becuase i havnt played Morrowind but my friend had it and i saw him play and it looked a bit crappy. and most newer versions of games are always a bit better and then somtimes game makers just ruin it. for example any 1 heard of the empire earth games the first was the best and then they blew it on the 2nd and 3rd versions. well thats my input lol.
cheers mate

EDIT: i kinda went off topic i apologize

Nope - 'tis fine!

Morrowind was good - but I did indeed stop being interested in it.
MasterAub
Jul 10 2008, 01:43 PM
QUOTE(helzi @ Jul 10 2008, 08:23 AM)

Right - I love the way that on Oblivion the magicka returns to normal over a period of time, but in Morrowind you have a blow all your money on a potion... I mean AHH!
Does that p$%# you off too?
For me Oblivion has more "dynamic" battles, looks better and has terrific moding possibility.
With leveling mod like OOO it becomes a tough game to beat and Cyrodiil is just so gorgeous...
Well I didn't play much Morrowind, its graphics and its clumsiness putt me off rapidly...
dezdimona
Jul 10 2008, 03:26 PM
I play Oblivion with MMM only and at times I can have from 12 to 15 enemies all at once.I use custom made stuff and even then I've run from some battles because they were kicking my butt

Oblivion is far superior to Morrowind ( my opinion), please I'm voicing my opinion only.Morrowind has a huge following,and I'm not putting the game down. I know what I like personally.
Sarya
Jul 10 2008, 03:54 PM
The only thing really wrong in Morrowind is running animation. How many "wrong" things are there in Oblivion... well, you know that actually more than one.
Glue
Jul 10 2008, 04:29 PM
Lets forget about the graphical quality. Oblivion will always beat Morrowind there. It's a generational thing. But I still feel Morrowind has the edge on its little brother, (big sister?)
The combat in Morrowind was of course a little funky, Ok. But it's not exactly Tekken in Oblivion either. I 've played neither for the quality of their fights.
Cyrodiil's beautiful and vast but very , very, very green. The feel of Vvardenfell, especially its diversity and atmosphere in places like the Ashlands made it seem bigger than it was.
(change all these tenses to present if you're still playing btw

)
I loved the Great Houses of Morrowind. I loved the Telvanni and Redoran cities and their architecture. I loved the faceless Ordinators, the shops you could steal from, the random loot or baddies you could discover. The open cities. The soulgems you could actually tell apart from each other. The pauldrons. Cool looking Glass armour. The transport system. Spears and throwing weapons. The inventory! ......
Hang on though. Don't get me wrong. I love Oblivion, I really love it and had I played it first I would probably be listing the dozens of things it has that Morrowind doesn't.
It's made some real improvements. I just think it sometimes feels, if you really compare the two, that Bethesda didn't really take the best bits of TesIII and build on them. They threw a lot of the coolest stuff out so our computers would handle the new hugeness.
My head says one, my heart another but they both rock and I have both so who cares. Mods can fix everything anyway.
dezdimona
Jul 10 2008, 05:24 PM
Indeed, I played Morrowind before Oblivion,and mods to make each to its owners own delite and design.
Aerin Morth
Jul 10 2008, 05:26 PM
QUOTE(Glue @ Jul 10 2008, 04:29 PM)

Lets forget about the graphical quality. Oblivion will always beat Morrowind there. It's a generational thing. But I still feel Morrowind has the edge on its little brother, (big sister?)
The combat in Morrowind was of course a little funky, Ok. But it's not exactly Tekken in Oblivion either. I 've played neither for the quality of their fights.
Cyrodiil's beautiful and vast but very , very, very green. The feel of Vvardenfell, especially its diversity and atmosphere in places like the Ashlands made it seem bigger than it was.
(change all these tenses to present if you're still playing btw

)
I loved the Great Houses of Morrowind. I loved the Telvanni and Redoran cities and their architecture. I loved the faceless Ordinators, the shops you could steal from, the random loot or baddies you could discover. The open cities. The soulgems you could actually tell apart from each other. The pauldrons. Cool looking Glass armour. The transport system. Spears and throwing weapons. The inventory! ......
Hang on though. Don't get me wrong. I love Oblivion, I really love it and had I played it first I would probably be listing the dozens of things it has that Morrowind doesn't.
It's made some real improvements. I just think it sometimes feels, if you really compare the two, that Bethesda didn't really take the best bits of TesIII and build on them. They threw a lot of the coolest stuff out so our computers would handle the new hugeness.
My head says one, my heart another but they both rock and I have both so who cares. Mods can fix everything anyway.
I agree with everything said above. Oblivion will always beat Morrowind with graphics quality, but Morrowind will always feel so much more immense for me. Oblivion is very green, and although the landscape changes throughout Cyrodiil, it's still somewhat similar. In Morrowind, you could walk to Balmora from Seyda Neen and pass through four different environments in one day.
It's true that the combat system leaves something to be desired, but you get over it once you learn to never try and shoot a bow.
I also love the factions in Morrowind much better than the factions in Oblivion. In MW, it made you feel like you had accomplished something after you completed a quest. Becoming Archmage of the Mages Guild actually made you feel proud of yourself, instead of immediately bored like in OB.
Obviously there are plenty of mods made to fix almost everything in both Morrowind and Oblivion, but Morrowind still has a special something about it that Oblivion doesn't quite achieve.
Leenysaurus
Jul 10 2008, 08:24 PM
I love both games. I'd call it equal, but I see their vast differences. I barely played Morrowind enough to see the half of it, and every now and again I try to get back into it, but there's still so much to see.
I think Oblivion was a step down in a few ways. Many spells were gone, far fewer factions, a more "generic" landscape (in my opinion). And the options for weapons is far less.
It was also a step up. Vast options for customizing a character, much better combat, amazing visuals. Skills made a bit more sense, especially in terms of the removal of the awkward medium armor. And more light armor ... I felt Morrowind had no light armor to speak of.
Mods vary greatly between the two as well. I feel that Oblivion needs the gameplay mods more than Morrowind, whereas Morrowind needs the visual help.
Content-wise, Oblivion is less than Morrowind, but it makes it no less of an amazing game to me, the modding capabilities intensely make up for any flaws. You can fix things at will.
But Morrowind has memories ... I was so stuck on it when I came across it in my Dad's game collection all those years ago, thought it looked cool, plopped it in the Xbox, and there I was for days on end, for weeks. Fun times. Morrowind is nostalgic for me. so it will always remain in my collection. Bethesda does not disappoint me - and for these great games alone that's where I really want to seek a job when I'm out of college.
kylebraden
Jul 10 2008, 10:23 PM
I began playing oblivion about a year before I began playing morrowind. I was telling m friend about oblivion, and he informed me that he had a copy of he previous game in the series, morrowind. I went over to his house and played it, and was immediately consumed by the vast awesomeness of it. i was practically in tears that I had to go home, without this awesome game accompanying me. I quickly purchased a back comp. patch for my 360, and searched every gamestop in the city for a copy of morrowind. I eventually found one, and eagerly went home and started playing it. Ive basically mastered oblivion, and seen everything it has to offer. now, i agree that it has much better graphics and combat than its predacessor, but it seems that they sacrificed so much to gain so little. graphics and combat barely seem like a fair tradeoff for abandoning nearly every armor variant from morrowind, along with its wider range of guilds, quests, locations, terrain, creatures, enchantments, spells, and items in general. Morrowind had (has) so many more possiblities than its shiny brother oblivion. When you look past all the trivial oblivion improvements, youll realize how much content bethesda sacrificed to polish oblivion.
firefable
Jul 10 2008, 10:50 PM
Well, i haven't played morrowind yet, but i would just like to say, that i get bored with oblivion on its own, if i play oblivion, i must have some mods active, i just can't go without mods anymore. I wold just get bored and probably go off playing another game.
kylebraden
Jul 10 2008, 11:04 PM
I know what you mean. I played through every oblivion quest that i had interest in doing on the 360, and then i didnt know what to do. eventually i went out and bought the pc version of oblivion so i could do mods. (and mess around with the control, but that made me feel shallow and dirty... shudders....)
Lainge
Jul 10 2008, 11:08 PM
I just got Morrowind GOTY and turned into a werewolf.
Only reason why Morrowind might ever be better... Inbuilt awesome werewolves...
helzi
Jul 11 2008, 09:22 AM
The Morrowind werewolves were the best! The idea of running around like a dog was definitely the best. I loved the way the people reacted - but I didn't like the wildlife. The only animal that didn't attack you was a scrib.
In Oblivion, the deer were the first thing I noticed. WHOOP WHOOP FOR DEER!
Lainge
Jul 11 2008, 10:03 AM
The little animation that played at the start of every time you transform was awesome.
The werewolf mod for oblivion is good enough though (and I have 100 willpower so I can feed on animals) so I'm pretty happy with being a werewolf in both games.
I was looking around and saw the Morroblivion like mod with the long name. Mournhold-Vardenfal-Solsthiem or something like that. So I'll be able to play morrrowind in oblivion. (With having to find a morroblivion download).
Leenysaurus
Jul 11 2008, 07:23 PM
QUOTE(Lainge @ Jul 11 2008, 10:03 AM)

The little animation that played at the start of every time you transform was awesome.
The werewolf mod for oblivion is good enough though (and I have 100 willpower so I can feed on animals) so I'm pretty happy with being a werewolf in both games.
I was looking around and saw the Morroblivion like mod with the long name. Mournhold-Vardenfal-Solsthiem or something like that. So I'll be able to play morrrowind in oblivion. (With having to find a morroblivion download).
Werewolf mod for Oblivion? How well does it work, and may I have a link?
I actually never got far enough for becoming a werewolf in Morrowind, so I missed out on that, and every time I play Morrowind, I get too bored to get very far. Love the game though, of course.
It's vampirism is certainly far better than Oblivion's, and a lot more fun to play.
Glue
Jul 11 2008, 07:27 PM
QUOTE(Leenysaurus @ Jul 11 2008, 08:23 PM)

QUOTE(Lainge @ Jul 11 2008, 10:03 AM)

The little animation that played at the start of every time you transform was awesome.
The werewolf mod for oblivion is good enough though (and I have 100 willpower so I can feed on animals) so I'm pretty happy with being a werewolf in both games.
I was looking around and saw the Morroblivion like mod with the long name. Mournhold-Vardenfal-Solsthiem or something like that. So I'll be able to play morrrowind in oblivion. (With having to find a morroblivion download).
Werewolf mod for Oblivion? How well does it work, and may I have a link?
I actually never got far enough for becoming a werewolf in Morrowind, so I missed out on that, and every time I play Morrowind, I get too bored to get very far. Love the game though, of course.
It's vampirism is certainly far better than Oblivion's, and a lot more fun to play.
Done and done.
http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=6486
LoginToDownload
Jul 11 2008, 07:31 PM
Sarya
Jul 11 2008, 07:55 PM
It works pretty normal... considering you read readmes carefully. You can even choose the fur color.
Lainge
Jul 11 2008, 11:21 PM
The only problem with the werewolf mod for oblivion is all the glitches.
(And finding a werewolf, try Fort Nikel at about 10pm. If theres only a bandit there you can probably still catch it off him.)
Leenysaurus
Jul 11 2008, 11:46 PM
I will happily try this out - never did it in Morrowind so this will be something new for me.
Many thanks all of you.
Blacksnake89
Jul 12 2008, 12:32 AM
Personally I hate Curse of Hircine. It's too buggy and uses the lore of mythical werewolves not TES werewolves. Comparing Bloodmoon to Curse Of hircine to me is like comparing DMC 1 to DMC 2 you just don't. No offence to the person who made the mod I know they tried hard and put a lot of effort into it. I even gave them a 7 and some cunstrictive critisism on how to make it better. Personally I think if anyones at fault for messing something up it's Bethesda for not putting werewolves in to begin with, not the modder that made CoH. Hell with some tweaking CoH could be a great mod but in it's current state I will not use it.
@Leeny if you try out CoH and like it you MUST play bloodmoon. I feel the experience of the werewolf quests from Bloodmoon far beat the novelty of being a werewolf from that mod.
Leenysaurus
Jul 12 2008, 03:00 AM
QUOTE(Blacksnake89 @ Jul 12 2008, 12:32 AM)

Personally I hate Curse of Hircine. It's too buggy and uses the lore of mythical werewolves not TES werewolves. Comparing Bloodmoon to Curse Of hircine to me is like comparing DMC 1 to DMC 2 you just don't. No offence to the person who made the mod I know they tried hard and put a lot of effort into it. I even gave them a 7 and some cunstrictive critisism on how to make it better. Personally I think if anyones at fault for messing something up it's Bethesda for not putting werewolves in to begin with, not the modder that made CoH. Hell with some tweaking CoH could be a great mod but in it's current state I will not use it.
@Leeny if you try out CoH and like it you MUST play bloodmoon. I feel the experience of the werewolf quests from Bloodmoon far beat the novelty of being a werewolf from that mod.
Oh, I know ... I have to play 99% of Morrowind yet because I've barely gotten into it, but with how into Oblivion I am, I can't sit still to play Morrowind for so long. But I still love it for all I know it has. Oblivion really shouldn't have sacrificed so much, but, you know, time is money.
Lainge
Jul 12 2008, 04:50 AM
You can see the weapons in Oblivion when the are sheathed/put away.
Worst part of Morrowind... Punching people doesn't get them tired.
helzi
Jul 12 2008, 05:42 PM
Well, I've always been into roleplaying, so Morrowind gave me a few sneaky tricks.
At the beginning of the game, I'd pretend to be in a dream, be a savage killer, run into Elderfire's house and kill her, go to bed and wake up like...
"Oh my god! What a wierd dream!"
Thus owning her house. Being the best house in the starting town.
Then I discovered making my own house mods, and deleted her. Yet another fun thing!
Let's all pick on Elderfire! She looks like plastic! Woo!
Leenysaurus
Jul 12 2008, 06:43 PM
I'd take Eldafire over Fargoth any day, though.
helzi
Jul 12 2008, 07:09 PM
QUOTE(Leenysaurus @ Jul 12 2008, 07:43 PM)

I'd take Eldafire over Fargoth any day, though.

"I think you and I are about to become... VERY... close..." *shudder*
maafiaman
Jul 12 2008, 09:49 PM
I felt like kickin in this thread as well

.
So Oblivion vs Morrowind??? Hard choice!!!
So I will write what I like/dislike about these two games:
Morrowind: Morrowind had an unique universe, where I first fell in love with RPG's. The immersive gameplay, the brilliant quests, unique landscape and a story that had no predecesors. I liked very much the Ancient Dunmer Strongholds, the Ancient Tombs and almost every creature out there (blasted Cliff Racers). It may sound weird but 2 months ago I purchased Tribunal (yeah I know it's old but I never played it

) so soon I will return to playing Morrowind and enjoy Mournhold and it's story. Why??? I have Oblivion....enjoy it and the functions it offers (especially thanks to creators of OBSE 1.5) but the quests from Morrowind, Bloodmoon and I guess Tribunal will never be equaled by the ones in Oblivion. But there are things that I hate about Morrowind...such as the walking animation (makes me think humanoids in Morrowind have sticks instead of legs), also some other animations, some wird bugs and the fact that they introduced the damn cliff racers...annoying creatures.
Oblivion: I like Oblivion very much because of the diversity of the game. You can do preety much whatever (especially with the variety of mods out there). It offers a much greater combat and magic experience that Morrowind did...but still the quests are not so exciting anymore. Fast-travel is not quite what I expected (thanks to Aridale for the No_Fast_Travel mod (I use this his/her) and the authors of the diverse transport mods). I must say I was more expecting working horse carts or something...more realistic. Obviously Bethesda let me down here. The main quest was also not quite what I was expecting...it has a little touch of mistery...but not that touch that Morrowind had. Still I play it more that Morrowind because of the great mods.
So my guess would be Morrowind = 1
Oblivion = 1
Cheers

Maafiaman
Blacksnake89
Jul 13 2008, 04:48 AM
QUOTE(Leenysaurus @ Jul 11 2008, 07:00 PM)

Oh, I know ... I have to play 99% of Morrowind yet because I've barely gotten into it, but with how into Oblivion I am, I can't sit still to play Morrowind for so long. But I still love it for all I know it has. Oblivion really shouldn't have sacrificed so much, but, you know, time is money.
I loved morrowinds story and still play it purely for the story. I'm such a lore nut I can't put down a game with a beautiful and rich story even if the gameplay sucks horridly *cough* Advent Rising *cough* for example. I wonder if all writers are like that?
madman123456
Jul 13 2008, 08:45 AM
Characters in Morrowind look quite unnatural. Well, the Oblivion NPCs also have this stiff "unreal" quality. Not as bad as the Morrowind ones though.
Leenysaurus
Jul 13 2008, 06:03 PM
Random question: what's the max plugin limit for Morrowind?
Aerin Morth
Jul 13 2008, 08:46 PM
QUOTE(Blacksnake89 @ Jul 13 2008, 04:48 AM)

QUOTE(Leenysaurus @ Jul 11 2008, 07:00 PM)

Oh, I know ... I have to play 99% of Morrowind yet because I've barely gotten into it, but with how into Oblivion I am, I can't sit still to play Morrowind for so long. But I still love it for all I know it has. Oblivion really shouldn't have sacrificed so much, but, you know, time is money.
I loved morrowinds story and still play it purely for the story. I'm such a lore nut I can't put down a game with a beautiful and rich story even if the gameplay sucks horridly *cough* Advent Rising *cough* for example. I wonder if all writers are like that?
I'm the same way. Lore-rich games are like candy for me. That's why I didn't put down Neverwinter Nights: Hordes Of The Underdark for about a week after getting it, even though it looks like crap. It's story is so well-written and rich with lore that I was immediately sucked into it. The same goes for Morrowind. Even after all these years, I'm still in love with the story and the lore. The gameplay and graphics may not be top notch, but the massive amount of work put into the storyline gives the game that special feeling that makes it so much more alive than Oblivion.
helzi
Jul 14 2008, 06:00 PM
Well - I remember when my brother got Morrowind.
He bought two games, Age Of Empires 2, and Morrowind. He told me AOE was a multiplayer game, and at the time, that sounded great! He spent the whole of the way home reading the Morrowind manual and saying how great it was, and I felt really put out that he wasn't going to play with me. (I was only about eight)
So he's there at home playing away, and I felt curious, and installed it on my computer. I fell in love with it. Whenever my friends came round, I would show them EVERY creature in the game, and make a little checklist of the ones we'd seen. That was great. I mean... for me, anyway. Best memory is when I found out how to cast magic. It sounds stupid but it took about a year before I found out how.
I played that for a while, then we got Bloodmoon - my brother and I payed half each. I fell in love with that.
Then we borrowed Tribunal, and I fell in love with that too, but soon found other games to play, and Morrowind went dusty in my drawers. I still think of the giant things... stilt striders? Or something. The sounds they made... loved it!
helzi
Jul 14 2008, 06:03 PM
Oh yeah, and Oblivion - first thing I saw were the patch of deer outside IC. I loved Oblivion, and still do. I'm making a house mod for it as we speak!
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