Help - Search - Members - Calendar
Full Version: Giskars mods give me CTD
The Nexus Forums > Specific Games > Oblivion > Oblivion Modifications > Mod Troubleshooting
exesinxmyxalias
I have all of his mods, but whenever I try to run one of them I CTD and I dont know why, I cant ask the guy because he only offers private help these days, but is there anyone else that has this problem or knows how to fix it? If so, I'm all ears
nosisab
QUOTE(exesinxmyxalias @ Jul 4 2008, 05:11 AM) *
I have all of his mods, but whenever I try to run one of them I CTD and I dont know why, I cant ask the guy because he only offers private help these days, but is there anyone else that has this problem or knows how to fix it? If so, I'm all ears

No, I don't have troubles with then, I use Kvatch Afetermath, Origin of the mages guild, The necromancer and The Elder council. So what may happens to you is a sum of factors that involve the machine itself to the mods you use and the order they are installed and loaded (Even mods uninstalled can be future trouble when this uninstall things other mods relies).

Without these informations this is the max I can say, except maybe ask have you the game updated with the last patches and have you OBSE?
macmert
Well it can be just anything, if you can post your load order, your PC spesifications and your game version, it would be very helpful... in the light of the things you say, I am making an educated guess (since I use KA too and without any problems) you might have mods conflict with Giskard's mods... if you have that kind of things loaded, you might want to check that out...
exesinxmyxalias
I have OBSE on the Hard Drive but I have not set it up yet. my specs are found in my profile I do believe and the images attached to this post are the mods I have running
nosisab
QUOTE(exesinxmyxalias @ Jul 4 2008, 09:37 AM) *
I have OBSE on the Hard Drive but I have not set it up yet. my specs are found in my profile I do believe and the images attached to this post are the mods I have running

Simple Answer, You need OBSE to play mods that use its functions period.

Edit: Just to make things clear. OBSE is Requisite (NOT optional) if some mod use functions from it. Without this the game will just crash since it refer codes that aren't supplied.
macmert
Kvatch Aftermath does not require OBSE, I am pretty much sure none of Giskard s mods require it... It is more possible that another mod conflicts with those...

Oh and AFAIK you need the latest patch for them to work properly... Check your version of the game to be sure you are up to date...
exesinxmyxalias
when i download something from here I make sure that I have the most recent version. I'll go 'head and install OBSE but I don't remember reading anything in the files that specified that I need it but I guess that it couldn't hurt.

Are any of the mods in the screen I posted known to cause conflicts with any of his mods?
exesinxmyxalias
Ok, so I have the most recent OBSE installed correctly and I have the most recent version of the elder council mod, which is the one that I'm trying to get to work at the moment, also installed correctly. I ran Oblivion through the OBSE_Loader.exe as per the readme file (is that really necessary?). And I still get a CTD, could it be something else?
nosisab
QUOTE(exesinxmyxalias @ Jul 4 2008, 09:49 PM) *
when i download something from here I make sure that I have the most recent version. I'll go 'head and install OBSE but I don't remember reading anything in the files that specified that I need it but I guess that it couldn't hurt.

Are any of the mods in the screen I posted known to cause conflicts with any of his mods?

Sorry, was the thievery mod I though using OBSE, so I searched for it and saw it isn't about thievery resources but quests.
Anyway is a good thing having OBSE, since it doesn't change anything in vanilla and just append a whole set of functions impossible or hard to attain other way. I'll answer in edit as I can't see the image while in the reply mode.

Edit: most mods listed I don't use and know, but by the names some seems to be related with the IC (Imperial city) and may conflict with the other giscard's mods after KA. I know for sure Midas doesn't although it have a shop in the same cell in the Arcane university as the OotMG.

Your list seems to be in alphabetical order, the Load order is more significant to handle conflicts.

As to start OBSE you can just place a shortcut anywhere (maybe desktop) or yet better, you can use a utility called "The OBSE Launcher" that integrates some cool features as:
allows starting either Oblivion or CS with or without OBSE. Start OBMM, activate/deactivate esps and some others. All in one only place.

Edit 2: To anyone reading this thread and have doubts about using OBSE. It isn't intrusive, meaning if one starts the CS without it will be starting the vanilla one, obviously the difference being scripts aren't compiled if some OBSE function is used. Similar to the game, but I can't see advantage starting the game without OBSE when it is already present (maybe for testing purposes)
exesinxmyxalias
QUOTE(nosisab @ Jul 5 2008, 07:05 AM) *
QUOTE(exesinxmyxalias @ Jul 4 2008, 09:49 PM) *
when i download something from here I make sure that I have the most recent version. I'll go 'head and install OBSE but I don't remember reading anything in the files that specified that I need it but I guess that it couldn't hurt.

Are any of the mods in the screen I posted known to cause conflicts with any of his mods?

Sorry, was the thievery mod I though using OBSE, so I searched for it and saw it isn't about thievery resources but quests.
Anyway is a good thing having OBSE, since it doesn't change anything in vanilla and just append a whole set of functions impossible or hard to attain other way. I'll answer in edit as I can't see the image while in the reply mode.

Edit: most mods listed I don't use and know, but by the names some seems to be related with the IC (Imperial city) and may conflict with the other giscard's mods after KA. I know for sure Midas doesn't although it have a shop in the same cell in the Arcane university as the OotMG.

Your list seems to be in alphabetical order, the Load order is more significant to handle conflicts.

As to start OBSE you can just place a shortcut anywhere (maybe desktop) or yet better, you can use a utility called "The OBSE Launcher" that integrates some cool features as:
allows starting either Oblivion or CS with or without OBSE. Start OBMM, activate/deactivate esps and some others. All in one only place.

Edit 2: To anyone reading this thread and have doubts about using OBSE. It isn't intrusive, meaning if one starts the CS without it will be starting the vanilla one, obviously the difference being scripts aren't compiled if some OBSE function is used. Similar to the game, but I can't see advantage starting the game without OBSE when it is already present (maybe for testing purposes)



So, if I have OBSE I should launch the game with OBSE launcher and not the oblivion shortcut on the desktop?
nosisab
QUOTE(exesinxmyxalias @ Jul 5 2008, 08:06 PM) *
So, if I have OBSE I should launch the game with OBSE launcher and not the oblivion shortcut on the desktop?

yes, but you can place a shortcut to it on the desktop and change the icon to better looking.

Anyway, seems you haven't an OBSE dependent mod in your list.
macmert
It is most likely a conflict between mods... Did you disable all mods (including OBSE) and just tried to run Giskard's mods?

If you didnt give it a try that way and inform what happened?
exesinxmyxalias
I guess I could start a new game with all those mods disabled, enable the giskar mods and then add the others one by one and see what happens.
macmert
Yes that is the most reasonable thing to do... See if only Giskard's mods cause CTD or not...
exesinxmyxalias
I started a new game the other day and the only mod I ran was 'the elder council' mod by giskar and I got a CTD. maybe the mods just dont like my computer. I'll try them again when I can afford to build a gaming rig
giskarduk
Arenthia in TEC has a CTD im tracking but its the only one in any of my mods that ive experienced and i never disable my mods.

I will add that disabling a mod, does not remove a mod, any meshes or testures it added remains active if it edits default stuff. Thats why all my meshes and textures are original eg cloned, so they do not do that to other mods if my mods are disabled.

But the same is not true for other mods, you have to use omods to be able to remove a mod completely safely or reinstall oblivion every time you change your mods around.

Btw No support exists in public because i once had the best support for any mods in this community on my website and it was never enough for some people. So their bitchin moaning and flaming earned them the complete removal of all my support and all my guides and that no support policy you see today.

If i did not know for a fact, id get the same crap again, you would have had your question answered on my website already and not had to drag this out for a month. But flamers spoil things for everybody so players like you end up suffering.

Sorry, i do hope my answer helps you and ends your quest for answers.

Giskard
exesinxmyxalias
Oh I completely understand that Giskard. I read it all in your readme's, yes I actually read the things. And if I was in your shoes I'd probably do the same exact thing. I'm playing around with the construction set and I'm learning some basic things, when I get the ropes a bit I'll definitely help you out as far as that goes.

I'm a podcaster and a writer so I can do voice recordings for you, or anyone for that matter, if need be. And I'm also useful for bouncing story ideas off of.

If you need help with any of that kind of thing shoot me a PM on here.

After I finish playing around with the current character I'm playing I'll most likely uninstall and reinstall it just for a clean slate and then try out one of your mods again. I should also try and gain a better understanding of OBMM.

Well that's about it for me in this one
Varus Torvyn
I took a good long look at your mod list, and I noticed three huge problems right away.

1. Your mods aren't load-ordered.
2. You don't have the Unofficial Patches installed.
3. A lot of unchecked .esp files. I have read an article that stated a lot of unused .esp files in the Oblivion\Data folder can cause problems.

If your Oblivion game is patched to 1.2.0416, I highly recommend you download & install Kivan's Unofficial Patches. The UOP alone fixes over 1,600 bugs left over after Bethesda released 1.2.0416.

I offer you this link as a suggestion to help you make some decisions for your game. It is a link to a topic where a member was asking about black screens, but he also had some other problems. The posts contain a lot of links for you to check out. Black Screen Topic

You'll find download links for all of the Unofficial Patches there, as well as FCOM Helper, OBMM, and Wrye Bash.
aaronjreeves
Check out what i wrote here about CTD's, it talks about mod load order and how it f's you over, and also how to fix it.

http://thenexusforums.com/index.php?showtopic=68793

EDIT: Check out post #8 @ that link

Im almost positive the problem your having is due to mod order.

Ive had many many ctd's and now that i understand mod load order i have none.
This is a "lo-fi" version of our main content. To view the full version with more information, formatting and images, please click here.
Invision Power Board © 2001-2009 Invision Power Services, Inc.