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Sativarg
The future:Sharing:

I thank my friend for this thread
and for the hatred and the fellowship that goes with it.
I am an abomination
I am that that is
I can speak My Heart
What a blessing it is to reach out to you all.
If you read this and hate me for my words I am blessed
If you read this and think about these things I am blessed
If you are the lie and you perceive me as a threat I am blessed
I am that that is and I give you my heart!!!

Blessed be...Wednesday, June 18, 2008

I believe:

In the Father and the Mother and The Son.

The Son of man(I call him Jesus) was flesh and is now one spirit of truth among many.
He is immortal because we are all eternal.(IMHO)
I agree that the one of whom I speak has been used by religions to divide humanity.
These divisions facilitates an agenda.

This one I call my Lord (Jesus) never claimed to be the Creator.
He is my Lord because he has earned my faith many times over.
I believe in My Lord.
I believe in the Creator.
I believe in the Mother of all life.
I have faith in this family.

I also believe that humanity is Manipulated by another race or races to do a job.
This manipulation is raping the Mother here on Earth.
This agenda of manipulation is a way of life for another race or group of races.
The core truth I hope to discover would be that the Creator and the Mother and their Children are not enemies but that we are all family.

This is my apology, I suppose, for my hope for the unity and the sovereignty of Humanity.

--
SativargravitaS
אברא כדברא
Blessed be...
Sativarg
The child of truth:

The most important aspect of truth is:...

Wouldn't it be nice to have an example to put here,

The truth is dynamic and you are the most important element.

You are that that is.
You are the truth.!

But I am the truth! I disagree with you! there for I will destroy you...

No No No...

OK F eu c k your GOD!


OK we don't have time for this childish argument.
But we need GOD! and WE Need Goddess because these sweet ones are very powerful. They are OUR power and they love us as family,What more could you ask of a friend.
They are on our side above and beyond the agenda of the races that would enslave us.

Yea we are enslaved according to our own definitions of it. And there is an agenda...

Most of us are tools of a system I am ashamed of.

I demand the truth according to my blood and baptism.
I demand to know about the agenda.
I have no little power here because I am that that is.

I am a part of the coven of truth from the beginning of the Mothers existence here on earth.
And so are all of us.
I said
And so are all of us.
We are that that is.
We demand the truth. Now!
I am that that is; I will not be denied
We are that that is; We will not be denied
Expose the agenda!
Let it be so!
So mote it be!
Blessed be...

OK you have power...
We have power.
Ha we are that that is...

I want you to accept responsibility for being that that is.

I dare you to melt a cloud. Or not.
You go and find a cloud in the sky about the size of you thumb as you see when your arm is out stretched. Now you look at that cloud and decide or feel or want it to dissolve and it will.

Some of you will melt a cloud. then you will say no way and try again. For me It was #3 that scared the out of me. We have power. We are that that is. We are the truth. We Can decide that that will be.
WoogieMonster
You've been here long enough to know that religious stuff is against the rules.
Sativarg
QUOTE(WoogieMonster @ Jun 20 2008, 10:11 PM) *
You've been here long enough to know that religious stuff is against the rules.

I have been here long enough to know that religion is a lie.
I am not religious. I am that that is.
This is not religion.
This is my heart.

This is my abomination against the destruction of us.
How dare I speak this foul thing...
How dare I not flame the lie into the light.

You see religion in those things that wish to force themselves on you.
Well reality has a way of doing that regardless of what you believe.

I do not care for religion. But I do care about the truth.
Sativarg
The truth

We are that that is
We decide that that will be

We have power
We are the power of that that is.


The beauty of being alive is that we are the ones who decide.
Let us not be fooled into giving away our power.

Please act as if your life depend upon the truth
Every decision is sacred
every choice is sacred.

Beyond any religion is this one truth:
Do unto
be as you would
live as though

Be as you would want your GOD to be.
Blessed be...
Thanks goto WoogieMonster for this inspirit-oration
nosisab
I don't know about others races enslaving us. Isn't even needed another race do do so. We have proved we are very good in doing this to ourselves.
Sativarg
[quote name='nosisab' date='Jun 21 2008, 12:12 AM' post='477510']
I don't know about others races enslaving us. Isn't even needed another race do do so. We have proved we are very good in doing this to ourselves.
[/quot] I have no proof.

I am a lowly tool.
Very lowly because i don't play the game. I am an abomination.
It is not enslavement as much as it is like what we do "For Bees"
We have learned that bees and yeast and dogs can be useful.

Well DA
The race that seeded mankind on earth was only doing what came natural. But that race needs some thing that we have...

Warning this thread is being monitored by the CIA
I am a suspect in an investigation that involves national security.
any posts in this thread will be seen by those in power who can really do some thing.:::NOT:::

The ones who hold the current secrets about why there is no peace only have power because we gave them power.

The comfort Zone is a lie.
You are there. It has power over you.
We are that that is.
we stand on the razors edge of time.
They build a zone of that that is not around us.
They control us...
God and Goddess help us...
Lord My true friend Jesus help me.
This toxic comfort is not according to the truth!


Sharing:
I thank my friend for this thread
and for the hatred and the fellowship that goes with it.
I am an abomination
I am that that is
I can speak My Heart
What a blessing it is to reach out to you all.
If you read this and hate me for my words I am blessed
If you read this and think about these things I am blessed
If you are the lie and you perceive me as a threat I am blessed
I am that that is and I give you my heart!!!

Blessed be...
Vagrant0
There is no one truth, but rather whatever truth an individual believes. These are but concepts which our minds try to interpret and relay to us. To insist on any one way is to close yourself from others. It is only through experiencing life that we can acknowledge that truths have no place within us. We walk in the illusion, smile as it greets us, then turn our back on it as soon as some grand truth comes to pass. That is why we are in dispair. We search for truths, holding fast to whatever accepts us, and discard any that do not. If there are answers, what ever said we were supposed to know them?

In short, we all need to get off whatever it is we're on.
Sativarg
QUOTE(Vagrant0 @ Jun 21 2008, 03:57 AM) *
There is no one truth, but rather whatever truth an individual believes. These are but concepts which our minds try to interpret and relay to us. To insist on any one way is to close yourself from others. It is only through experiencing life that we can acknowledge that truths have no place within us. We walk in the illusion, smile as it greets us, then turn our back on it as soon as some grand truth comes to pass. That is why we are in dispair.(despair) We search for truths, holding fast to whatever accepts us, and discard any that do not. If there are answers, what ever said we were supposed to know them?

In short, we all need to get off whatever it is we're on.

Yes
Blessed be.

But please see the LIE!!!
Please see the corporation then look closer.
I assure you you are in a comfort zone.
Getting out is not easy. I am in this huge thing because every time I perceive it it gets bigger and better.
The ties get stronger and the lies become me...
Its like AOL. I try to leave and they keep me like this thing...
How can I say this from inside this lie...
I think for sure I will Die.
Blessed be the truth
We are that that is.
Sativarg
QUOTE(Vagrant0 @ Jun 21 2008, 03:57 AM) *
There is no one truth, but rather whatever truth an individual believes. These are but concepts which our minds try to interpret and relay to us. To insist on any one way is to close yourself from others. It is only through experiencing life that we can acknowledge that truths have no place within us. We walk in the illusion, smile as it greets us, then turn our back on it as soon as some grand truth comes to pass. That is why we are in dispair. We search for truths, holding fast to whatever accepts us, and discard any that do not. If there are answers, what ever said we were supposed to know them?

In short, we all need to get off whatever it is we're on.

You have all of the answers. Yet I tell you you are that that is.
I have been blessed with wisdome. The mother preserved my life.
These little phrases about that that is and the truth; They are devices just as you have perceived.

But the meat of the truth remains. and that is not arguable.
Mankind is not in charge here on earth.
I am a tool of an agenda.
I choose to sacrifice my self for my truth
I am abomination
I want to be salvation.
I will tell what I know.
If you stop me I will die
If you do not I will die
Either way I win
I die.
Blessed be the truth

PS Ive been here way to Fn long any way
delphinus
The Mythic Dawn agents are among us tongue.gif
Sharkull
Seems like someone is trying to boost their Personality by spamming Illusions... biggrin.gif (joking)

Hope for humanity? Cultural growth and maturing to the point that faith in the supernatural is no longer necessary. All I've read here is (what appears to be) a set of subjective truths, which is another way of saying "beliefs".

QUOTE(Terry Goodkind)
Wishes and whims are not facts, nor are they a means to discovering them.

Words and ideas that give hope, comfort and guidance are not the "Truth" simply because of their (potential) effects. They are simply a means to an end: civilization.

Different civilizations, built upon different belief systems, often clash... sometimes over competition for scarce resources, and sometimes fuelled by cultural clashes / zealotry. My hope for humanity lies in the mellowing of all belief systems into a more mature and tolerant blending, forming a single harmonious human civilization. Keep and devlop the shared wisdom: lose the rest.

/me ducks out of this discussion in fear of treading into forbidden territory. unsure.gif
Sativarg
OK I am "awake" again Sharkull
Yea
I'm pert messed up aint i

Now I have pissed of the universe
It's only a matter of time before they get rid of my sorry rectum.

I tryd to keep my maddnes in one thread this time. I am going back to the pallet now.

I am fully dissipated. My arms are so weak. i am not feeling very good perhaps that will pass.I can not apologize.
I may be nothing very soon.
Vagrant0
QUOTE(Sativarg @ Jun 21 2008, 08:21 PM) *
I am fully dissipated. My arms are so weak. i am not feeling very good perhaps that will pass.I can not apologize.
I may be nothing very soon.

That is not an answer, there is no peace there, only nothingness. There is no confort, and the act only ends up causing unrest among those who have known you. It is a selfish act, no matter what form it takes. No person is really alone, and there are always places you may belong. These thoughts, they were not concieved by a lucid mind, they are the product of whatever poisons you have been exposing yourself to. Banish them. Breathe free, feast on life, although an illusion, there is much to learn from it. It would not exist if it had no purpose or benefit to those within. Embrace it, become a part of it, this is where peace and unity can be found.
einhander888
Okay okay okay slow down there kiddie, Lay off the dope pipe, Get out of the sun. Lay off the Peyote, something. That is a truth. You have posted a million times over that you think you are better than the rest of us. Yet you wrote in another thread you live in a shack and are outside of the law.

I think you, MR sativarg, Need to come back to reality. Yet another truth. According to a psychologist you are probably insane. ( thats my opinion.)

Lets actually debate something besides if you are completly insane or not. Use your intellegent mind and post something worthy of debating. Anything besides this please.
WoogieMonster
QUOTE(Sativarg @ Jun 21 2008, 03:21 PM) *
I am fully dissipated. My arms are so weak. i am not feeling very good perhaps that will pass.I can not apologize.
I may be nothing very soon.


Are you dying? Anybody want some popcorn?
Marxist ßastard
QUOTE(WoogieMonster @ Jun 23 2008, 02:39 PM) *
Are you dying?

Don't be ridiculous. Old trolls never die; they just change their IP address.
einhander888
( sorry but i have to say this )

HA HA HA.........to the above comment.
kidwitthafro
i think there is a "one truth" or absolute truth however its inconceivable as all experiences we have are filtered through the mind and perspective...for example in a car crash...both people involved insist that their truth was true and it may be true to them however there is an absolute truth of what really happened that forever remains unknown...sure its insignificant as it is inaccessible however it does exist
Vagrant0
QUOTE(kidwitthafro @ Jun 28 2008, 11:13 PM) *
i think there is a "one truth" or absolute truth however its inconceivable as all experiences we have are filtered through the mind and perspective...for example in a car crash...both people involved insist that their truth was true and it may be true to them however there is an absolute truth of what really happened that forever remains unknown...sure its insignificant as it is inaccessible however it does exist

On the contrary, that which cannot be observed cannot be quantified or validated. It neither exists or doesn't exist, but rather remains in an entirely mutable state until it has been observed. Whereby it becomes a product of that observation, and thus open to interpretation. Take for example the concept of a chair, although it can be defined and communicated, what one person defines as a chair is different than what another defines as a chair. Any attempt to produce a chair is only an accomplishment of creating something chair-like, but not necessarily a chair in the absolute sense. Our ability to define something as a chair is based on a comparision between what we are looking at, and what others around us have agreed resembles a chair. The same goes for almost every concept, it exists as a means of classification, not as a means of absolution.
Marcus Wolfe
Humanity is screwed. Enjoy life while it lasts.
Sharkull
QUOTE(Vagrant0 @ Jun 30 2008, 03:30 AM) *
On the contrary, that which cannot be observed cannot be quantified or validated. It neither exists or doesn't exist, but rather remains in an entirely mutable state until it has been observed. Whereby it becomes a product of that observation, and thus open to interpretation.

I agree with the first sentence, but then the train runs off the tracks. Something either exists or it doesn't. Perception doesn't change reality, it is simply our only means of interacting with it. Pluto (the distant hunk of rock / ice orbiting the sun) existed before humans were capable of detecting it. When a tree falls in the forest it always makes a sound, regardless of whether it is observed / experienced. A sound is a sound. A is A. To say that A is undefined until observed is to deny that reality is objective (something I don't believe at all). If all life in the Universe were ended then perception would also end, but objective reality would not.

Being able to define what a chair is (correctly or not) does not affect its true identity.
Sativarg
Well this has not been deleted? Thank you all for not having my post deleted.

RE: truth
For me truth is that that has been tested by time(change) and has survived. I am here because i am that that is. All that has gone into me and into you has been tested by time and we are; because of the truth. The truth I hope to unlock for our leaders and our governments is that humanity is not in charge of the earth.

I want the President of the United States to know that mankind is not in charge here. I want world leaders to "see" that power on earth is a living thing. America and humanity as a hole is to young to be in charge of reality.! We must "see". Science is good... if we can use the knowledge as though it was what it is.... DANGEROUS.

May you all be blessed according to your beliefs.

kidwitthafro:
Yes I agree
This one truth Is that that is... I keep coming back to this theme of The razors edge of time... How can I explain this? When I am most alive I am raw: running for my life or fighting for it. At this point in time I am that that is. That is when I can "see". Every one of us is on that razors edge all of the time but we do not "see". If we did we would not be able to function.

The purpose of the shaman in human society is to goto the edge and look down. The whole truth is there and to "see" is important. Blessed be those who "see" clearly. I have reviewed my words and my posts and I have found a few problems with my positions. But I still say we are that that is. we are the power and the light in reality. We are that that is but we can chose to destroy the truth!!! We can choose to become nothing. Or we can seek out the old wisdom.


Important: To me...
The Father is the Child
The mother is every were that life is.
The Child is every were that life "sees" itself.
The love is the holy spirit of truth flowing from all the above.

I want to answer all of the posts here and I will. soon
Sativarg
QUOTE(Marcus Wolfe @ Jul 3 2008, 04:21 PM) *
Humanity is screwed. Enjoy life while it lasts.

Humanity is The truth.
You will not die forever..,
I believe we must create the future for our children so that we have a place to live in them...
No Kids no woop you still have the obligation to act according to the truth...
All life has this basic obligation.
Sativarg
QUOTE(nosisab @ Jun 21 2008, 12:12 AM) *
I don't know about others races enslaving us. Isn't even needed another race do do so. We have proved we are very good in doing this to ourselves.

Yea
the truth is... the meat and its tough.
Man Kind is a tool...
I am sorry to be the latest Klaxon on this point but this is not new info. We are not alone and we are not on top.
Sativarg
QUOTE(delphinus @ Jun 21 2008, 06:46 AM) *
The Mythic Dawn agents are among us tongue.gif
LOL you got it...
But, they are also that that is...
Sativarg
QUOTE(Vagrant0 @ Jun 21 2008, 05:09 PM) *
QUOTE(Sativarg @ Jun 21 2008, 08:21 PM) *
I am fully dissipated. My arms are so weak. i am not feeling very good perhaps that will pass.I can not apologize.
I may be nothing very soon.

That is not an answer, there is no peace there, only nothingness. There is no confort, and the act only ends up causing unrest among those who have known you. It is a selfish act, no matter what form it takes. No person is really alone, and there are always places you may belong. These thoughts, they were not concieved by a lucid mind, they are the product of whatever poisons you have been exposing yourself to. Banish them. Breathe free, feast on life, although an illusion, there is much to learn from it. It would not exist if it had no purpose or benefit to those within. Embrace it, become a part of it, this is where peace and unity can be found.

Yes no piece no rest:
Comfort is toxic now> we must strive to be uncomfortable for our childrens sake and for the sake of the future of humanity.
Every decision is sacred. Would you eat your child? If you choose to act against the truth you are eating your children future.
Seek wisdom in every day life. It just takes a moment not to be bad...
Sativarg
QUOTE(Marxist ßastard @ Jun 23 2008, 07:31 PM) *
QUOTE(WoogieMonster @ Jun 23 2008, 02:39 PM) *
Are you dying?

Don't be ridiculous. Old trolls never die; they just change their IP address.
Yes... DA! so are you.


We are all in the process of becoming compost...
Sativarg
QUOTE(einhander888 @ Jun 23 2008, 03:04 AM) *
Okay okay okay slow down there kiddie, Lay off the dope pipe, Get out of the sun. Lay off the Peyote, something. That is a truth. You have posted a million times over that you think you are better than the rest of us. Yet you wrote in another thread you live in a shack and are outside of the law.

I think you, MR sativarg, Need to come back to reality. Yet another truth. According to a psychologist you are probably insane. ( thats my opinion.)

Lets actually debate something besides if you are completly insane or not. Use your intellegent mind and post something worthy of debating. Anything besides this please.
On the contrary>>>
Take up the hashish.
Breath the vapors of some sort of thing to move yourself towards the razors edge.
I would not change my peyote times for all of your gold and all of your years at Yale.

Blessed be those who seek the raw reality and who are brave enough to speak about what they have seen.
Sativarg
QUOTE(Vagrant0 @ Jun 21 2008, 03:57 AM) *
There is no one truth, but rather whatever truth an individual believes. These are but concepts which our minds try to interpret and relay to us. To insist on any one way is to close yourself from others. It is only through experiencing life that we can acknowledge that truths have no place within us. We walk in the illusion, smile as it greets us, then turn our back on it as soon as some grand truth comes to pass. That is why we are in dispair. We search for truths, holding fast to whatever accepts us, and discard any that do not. If there are answers, what ever said we were supposed to know them?

In short, we all need to get off whatever it is we're on.
re:ONE TRUTH
there is always one truth but it is not always visible to us.

The one truth is a living thing that is us and every thing that touches us. We are the truth at any given point in time you are that that is therefore you are the truth. Congratulations.
Sativarg
The strange thing is that the city of Belleville, Illinois is able to take away my home and to put pad locks on my private property and nothing happens. That is against the F'n law but Belleville is above the law and so is the GOD named Ehreet. He can destroy my private property and not report it to the tax people and the tax people can just go on and charge me $75 a year for the rest of my life with interest and leans fees and penalties against my name for ever and ever for a mobile home that has not existed for over ten years...

I can be hungry and cold and angry and just F'n dam mad as hell but that changes not one f'n thing.


But I will not do what they did to me... that changes every thing...
Amen

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