Since the exact time that the MEMod will take place in is not known by us mere peasants, I have no idea if the Nazgul will be in it....

My question is:

Will they?


ot>The ROTK game by EA is based off the movie, right? Then how come Sauron's lieutenant is in the game, but not in the movie? Extended version, here we come!

Nice job answering your own question (ROTK game + EEdition)

Nazgul-

Well the encyclopedia of Arda says this...

Well, we still don't know the timeline in which the Mod take place. For all we know, it could be during the Wars in the North with the Witch-King of Angmar (The leader of the Ulari (Ringwraiths)). Since that took place after Isildur's death and before Bilbo was born, and the fact that little is written concerning the troubles of the Northern Kingdom (IIRC) then that would be a prime place for this Mod.

Also, it was stated in the beginning of LotR that in the days when the King ruled up in Fornost, the habitants of the Shire (hobbits) did in fact send a few of their people to aid the Northern Realm in the Wars against Angmar. Also, the Shire was orignally Farmland for the Kingdom of the North as well.

Point being, the Nazgul may yet come into this Mod, so do not assume that something will not be in this Mod until the Devs actually say that it won't be in the Mod...

Excellent......

Since we can't kill them [it would mess up the timeline], I will become a professional Ulari Stalker.....a.k.a. I will stalk the wraiths......... MWAHAHAHAH!


Assuming they're in. BUt once again, assuming IS bad.

How about giants then? As far as I know they are only mentioned in the Hobbit. I haven’t been able to find any references to them elsewhere in Tolkiens work, and perhaps the giants who where throwing rocks in the Misty Mountains was in fact Ents and didn’t exist as an own race. They are certainly a very mysterious part of Middle-Earth; where did they come from, what did they look like? Considering so little is known about this race will they at all figure in MeMod?
Perhaps someone knows of other parts of Tolkiens writing in which they are mentioned?

I always kind of pictured the giants in The Hobbit to be cave trolls and the like. Since the book was written before the LOTR trilogy was even planned (I could be wrong about that, but it seems I'd read it somewhere), Tolkien took a little more of a high fantasy feel to the whole story, as opposed to the "more realistic" feel of the LOTR, and consequently, is a little looser with creatures. For instance, there is mention of "were-worms" of some far away desert, and goblins were separate from hobgoblins and orcs, although he lumped them into one race in LOTR. The Ent idea is an interesting one, though, but I don't think Ents were "hasty" enough to make sport out of picking off poor travelling creatures and throwing rocks about. I guess, all in all, that it's up to each individual's imagination.


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Tolkien originaly wrote The Hobbit (IIRC) to serve as a tester to see if his world of Middle-Earth would work or not. In it he makes several referances to Gondolin and the 'Goblin-Wars' between the Elves and the...goblins (read: Orcs) which basically was a little nod to the wars of the Elder Days between the Elves and Morgoth the original Dark Lord of whom Sauron was but a servant.

When he said Giants, IMHO he meant Giants. If you read the FotR there is mention by the Hobbits of the Shire that strange things are happening on the borders of their lands. In it they make mention of Giants and other creatures of unknown origin are increasing in number and in sightings. So simply put, IMO, there were Giants in middle-Earth yet their numbers were perhaps so small that they were rarely sited, if at all.

I also contend that Giants existed in Middle Earth, as an independant race. Although, I am left wondering at how their stature would measure up to that of Trolls. Instinctively, based solely on real-world history, I am lead to assume that Tolkien's Trolls would have a superior height advantage. To be honest, I'm uncertain, and will look into this further...

Interesting idea.......I believe that the Entwives rest near and/or in the Shire.....

Thanks for correcting me on that one, Morgoth. I find that interesting that Tolkien didn't '...much approve of The Hobbit...'

I had always been under the impression that he had written The Hobbit as a tester for his languages or world of Middle-Earth. It makes me happy to have been proven wrong because it means there's a whole heck of a lot more Tolkien information to find out and read in his books and letters.

Ancalagon, his "letters" are must reads!

I'll have to find and read them.... Tolkien has always interested me, along with his way of thinking...

The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien
ISBN: 0395315557

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Thanks, Daerk. I'll pick that up soon.

I think a cool twist in the game would be if the wraiths were formed during MEMod(if the timeline suits of course) and all you hear throughout the lands is news of 9 great evils risen out of the darkness...

That would be nice....but we won't know until the MEMod come sout.

*Looks smug
(Indicating Duneadain [sp] )

Somebody hasn't read their Tolkien

Or perhaps, Daerk, he meant that the 9 regrouped (and substituted 'formed' for lack of a better word...) as they did when they inhabitited Angmar and basically razed the Northern Kingdom to the ground (or at least helped in it's destruction, does Tolkien ever state who won the wars in the North against Angmar?)...

Hoom Hom, don't be hasty...

We will have to set homework for people who don't do their reading...

Anyway, there are many other works by Tolkien that are also worth reading, apart from the letters. If one stops and thinks about it, any work by Tolkien is a must...

So everyone set down to read; it will be a better waiting for MEMod.

That's what I was talking about. The Nazgul effectively disappeared until approximately the middle of the third age.

Actually, the "three giants" are Trolls.

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Trolls, indeed. And, perhaps this is to blame on translation. I only bother to add this because, even in the film adaptation, Bilbo is seen to speak to the hobbit children on his most celebrated birthday and refer to said Trolls when the first daylight, "turned them all to stone."

This occurs rather early on in the same film version you speak of, Pryor. Did you link the two references?

OT: Yes, Pryor. Although the rhythm professor's proper first name is spelt "Neil".

There is mention of both Trolls and Giants in The Hobbit. The Trolls are those that turned to stone, the Giants were throwing boulders down the hills or something along those lines.

The nazgul are the 9 humans who got a ring from Sauron which caused the war in the Second Era so in theory they would exist.

Thread Necromancy'd!

Anyway, I'm pretty sure that's already been established...

Tolkien wrote the Silmarillion before any of the other books, IIRC

nah thats right

actually the first story he wrote was Beren And Luthien and/or Earendil

but as they were published years later it's correct what you say

The story he wrote was The Hobbit. I'm quite sure that it was not the story of Beren and Luthien..


pharzon..

The first fully formulated story was the Fall of Gondolin, if my memory doesn't trick me. Before that, the first elements of what later would become the Silmarillion were written on scraps of paper while Tolkien was spending his time lying in trenches somewhere in Northern France.
The Silmarillion underwent constant revision up to the middle of the 1930's.
Tolkien did not originally intend the Hobbit to be part of his mythology, which - up to that point - was meant to find its end in the War of Wrath. With the call for a sequel to the Hobbit, Tolkien eventually decided to incorporate these new stories in his mythology, and wrote the stories of the Second and Third Age. After the publication of the Lord of the Rings, he returned both to revising the Silmarillion (actually, he had wanted it to be published together with the Lord of the Rings, but it was rejected) and expanding on the Second and Third Age.
Unfortunately, he was never able to finish those writings, so he left only masses of texts in different phases of revision, and not one continuous story. Christopher Tolkien organized all those writings and compiled them into one book, the Silmarillion, with some editorial modifications (some of which he states to have been done wrongly in the History of Middle-earth).

Okay, I was wrong then.


pharzon..