I recently followed all the guides I could find and installed Ren's beauty Pack almsot perfectly. I have the eyes, faces, tattos, bodies, etc. of Ren's Mystic Elves. I cannot get the hairs to load, though. I have placed the large number of hair files inside the Oblivion/Data/Textures and Oblivion/Data/Meshes folders, inside Oblivion/Data/ folder, and in Oblivion/ folder. STILL there are no hairs. I can select and scroll through them, but nothign shows up. I don't get to the tunnel part of the dungeon, I have only tried the beginning where you make your character the ifirst time. I would LARGELY appreciate any help to get me past this last block.



UR84N

Make sure that only one of Ren's mods is active. If I remember correctly, it comes with 2 .esps, one is the race and the hair, while the other is just the hair. Enabling both will create a conflict which will make the hair unavailable or bugged. Additionally, if you have any other mods which add hair, there will be a conflict with those as well. Please do a search next time, or in this case, read the comments for the mod, this is a common issue with the mod, or anything containing this race.

Thank you for your response.

I do not have any other hair mods.
I did read through half the pages of the mod's comments, and none of the directions were clear enough, or helped.
I am going to test this right now to see if it works, I will deactivate the hair_only mod and see how that works....

Ok, i just tried it and it's not working.

I have the Ren head, Ears, and Eyes files throughout the Oblivion/ folder.
I have the textures and meshes for the eyes ears and hairs throughought the oblivion/ fodler.
In the Oblivion/Data folder i have all the heads, HAIRS, eyes, ears, and body data files everywhere.
In the Oblivion/Data/Textures i have all the hairs textures data files
In the Oblivion/Data/meshes I have the hair meshes data files

I'm lost as to what I need to do next, and I've been working on this for weeks.
I'm willing to work extensively with anyone, and try any trick.

THanks again.

It might help us to troubleshoot if you post a load order. Also, are you using OBSE or OBMM? - OBMM is good for getting a true load order as the list displayed by the games 'Data' list is not always in the order loaded.

Ok. Sounds good.

I have great news!
I have solved the issue with the Ren's Hair not showing up. Turns out I just wasn't placing things properly, and I put in too many mods at once, yadda yadda. I activated my backup files, and presto, I'm back to Vanilla version. I started again, and have the hairs working perfectly. I decided not to go with Ren's Beauty Package, but with the Lineage II elves (which uses ren's hair).

Of course, now that that is solved, I have another issue: the game crashes. I had uninstalled oblivion a long time ago, and forgot why, so I put it back on recently. However, when I'm playing, the screen goes into a fuzzy mod, where I must use CNTRL+ALT+DELETE to get back to the desktop. I then can go back into oblivion by maximizing it back to the screen. However, as soon as it comes back up, the mouse won't move. Sounds are still operable, and I can still bring down the Command menu (via ~), but otherwise the game is frozen on the pause or inventory menu.

I hope this doesn't discourage you, but I am ready and willing to go headfirst into this problem, and get oblivion running again!
I tried operating on just Vanilla Oblivion, but it still crashes. I went through a ful uninstall and reinstall, and it still crashes. I've put all my cosmetic mods back on, and I'm ready to solve this.

I'll list the new mod load order I have. I do use Oblivion Mod Manager, only to select the urgency of the mod load. I prefer to manually install my mods.


check- Oblivion.esm
unchecked- Horse Combat Master. esm
check- DLCHorseArmor.esp
check-Custom Race Fix.esp
check-Orrery.esp
check-Realistic Force medium.esp
check-Realistic Magic Force High.esp
check-DLCS Spell Tomes.esp
check-Deadly Reflex Timed Block+no other changes.esp
check-Streamline 2 .esp
unchekced-Mounted Spellcasting Deadly Reflex.esp
check- Dude Wheres my Horse.esp
check-StockArmorClothingForExnems.esp
check-Elves of Lineage II.esp
check-midas Spells.esp
check- Deadly reflex.esp
check-Apachii Goddess Store.esp

I haven't reordered them yet because I JUST put them on.
Ok. I'm running version 1.2, and I've included my recent DxDiag to the post.

By the way, all of the mods are fully operational.
But the game still crashes after about 5-10 minutes.

Really irksome.

Thank you!



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There is a newer version of streamline available - V3.1 available here: http://obse.silverlock.org/download/mods/S...1_Open_Beta.exe

And a patch, http://obse.silverlock.org/download/mods/S...Beta_Patch1.exe

I don't remember what the problem was, but I removed Streamline 2.0 soon after I installed it.

Streamline does make changes in the Oblivion.ini on the fly. This can change visual effects while playing.

As with any beta program, back up before installing it.

Wait, wait, wait.
So should I get the new version of streamline, and the patch, or just take it off?
I only put streamline in there to even out all the mods I'd put in. however, ever since the game's combat has been choppy and, well...not pretty.
I was trying to show off the game to a friend, and he was commenting about how choppy the fighting was.
Too true. The chop-rate is terrible in my game.

I just took Streamline out, and I'm going to test the game later. I don't have time now, but I am anxious to try it.

Thanks again =]

I probably wasn't very clear on my post. First, remove all of your mods and be sure the game doesn't crash without them. Then add in mods one or two at a time and test to be sure they work. If the game crashes without mods, adding mods will make it worse. I only mentioned streamline because I had a problem with the ver2.

ok.
I'm now taking everything off, and initiating my backup file.
If it sinks or swims, I'll let you know.
I have a backup of Oblivion/Data with the mods installed, so I won't have to go through the process again
Streamline isn't in that backup.

Ok. I'll test it and get back to you!

Kudos to you, man.

Double Post.
S'cuse it.

Okay. Um, I took all the mods off.
And I ran the game.
I made a new character.
And it crashed.
Right where the rats come out of the wall at you.

I am currently downloading new drivers for my NVIDIA 7900 GT/GTO.
I noticed that whenever I play ANY game, the screen will (in the first 5 minutes) go fuzzy, and
I can still hear the game playing underneath. If I pause it, then the game will pause underneath, but hte screen is fuzzy.
I hit CNTRL+ALT+DELETE and then it takes me to the desktop and I CLOSE out of the Task Manager, and then reenter the game,
and it works.
For every other game, this works. I can go back to playing, usually uninterrupted.

However, when thsi happens in oblivion, and i return to the game from the desktop, I cannot move the mouse even though I can see the pause menu.
I can still access the dropdown menu via ~, but I can't do anything else.

Wassup?

Oblivion does not like to share the computer. It's possible you have some other program running in the background. Any program that periodically runs some process in the background can cause game freezes or crashes. xfire has been known to do this. using alt-tab to change to another application can cause problems too.

Okay!
So, I installed the most recent update for my video card.
I then played other games to see if they would crash.
I played for hours...wonderful, blissful HOURS.
I realized Oblivion MUST work now.
And sadly it is now the ONLY game on my computer that crashes now.
It crashes the same way as before.
Fuzz-desktop-freeze. FDF.

Note: this is Vanilla Oblivion. I did not have anything big running in the bacground. Not even virus control.

Ewww. No fun.
If anyone has an idea, or knows someone who can help, I will follow any leads!
Lemme know what's up, I'm still eager to find a solution. =]

Take Care

hi guys!

as I read above, you are in touch with the "rens beauty pack".
I have the same problem with showing the hairs, and I really dont know what to do to show them.

could you please tell me in details what did you do to get this stuff worked fine?
maybe I'm too blonde or my english is too bad so I hope you could explain it to me.

Sure, I'd be glad to help.
Especially since I just learned it myself
okay.

I'll run through everything I did.
I'm assuming you're running Vanilla Oblivion.
There is a certain way to set up your files, and doing this right will ensure all mods are installed properly.
Take off any other hair, face, or eye mods. These will cause black eyes, purple skin, and just plain COMPLICATIONS. Take them off for now, and put Ren's on first.
Unzip your file into some third folder. You need to manually place the files.
search for the .esp file. Then place it in your Oblivion/Data folder.
THIS PART IS IMPORTANT:
create a new folder in your /data folder called Textures. This will be used for all mods. THen create another folder in your /data folder caled Meshes.
Search for Ren's textures folder, and then double click and enter it. I believe the file after this is labeled Hair. Take that folder and copy paste it into your self-made Textures folder.
Do the same thing with Ren's meshes folder.
Activate the .esp in your Oblivion splash screen's Data Files tab. Once you do this, everything should show.

I may have some things off due to your personal setup and computer habits, whatev. So lemme know if it works, and I'll be available to help soon.

Even a blonde can follow these directions! If not, you must be platinum...

ahh, guys.

I'm still crashing. Oblivion still crashes!
I needs assitance.

The fuzz you are describing is something I have not seen before. Can you give us more detail on it?

Worst case - you may need to reinstall. Here is my suggested uninstall- reinstall procedure:


When you uninstall Oblivion it doesn't really uninstall everything. Then when you start adding mods before you have started the game, some things may not get initialized properly. Here is my recommended procedure for uninstalling and reinstalling.

I would appreciate any feedback on this as it is something I expect to post often and I hate to give bogus or useless information.

Reinstalling Oblivion

My instructions assume you are using Windows XP and have installed Oblivion into the default location. If you are using Vista or Linux, the file locations may be different.

For a full reinstall, first you should try to preserve your mods and save games. The easiest way is to rename the data folder where your mods are stored C:\Program Files\Bethesda Softworks\Oblivion\Data to something else such as \olddata. Then rename the folder that has your saved games and Oblivion.ini, C:\documents and settings\your user name\my documents\My Games\oblivion to something like \My games\Old Oblivion - this saves your saved games and the oblivion.ini file.

Then, using the original CD, NOT the Launcher on your Hard drive. Select uninstall.

After it completes the uninstall, reboot your computer - this is important as it allows Windows to remove some references to the original Oblivion.

This would be a good time to do a file clean up and defragment your hard drive.

Now, again using the original CD, reinstall Oblivion.

Before adding any mods, patches or Shivering Isles, start the game and make a save. This initializes some stuff that needs to be initialized.

Now, If you DO NOT use Shivering Isles, patch the game using ONLY the latest Oblivion patch. All of the stuff from the earlier patches is included.

Be sure you use the proper language patch. If you use the wrong one it may work, but with a strange mixture of languages. (Germanglish?) Or it may crash.

NOTE: there are two English Patches UK & US and they are different. (Some people actually think we speak the same language) Use the one that matches your original disk.

If you use Shivering Isles, DO NOT install the Oblivion patch. Install Shivering Isles, then ONLY the latest Shivering Isles patch. All of the updates for Oblivion are included. There is only one Shivering Isles patch for both US & UK English

Now, again start the game and make a save. Test to be sure everything is working right (No purple objects or yellow blocks)

Before adding any mods, back up both your \data folder and the save game folder. Copy them, don't move or rename them, to a different folder - such as \Bethesda\Clean Oblivion\data and \Bethesda\clean Oblivion\saves.

Note, Your Oblivion.ini file is in the same folder, but separate from, the save game folder.

Now rename the \data folder to \newdata and the \oldata back to \data. this restores all of your mods. You should now have 2 data folders \data, and \newdata. Then rename the new My Games\Oblivion to something like \New Oblivion. and the \Old oblivion to \oblivion - this restores all of your saved games and your original Oblivion.ini file.

If you have the same problem, it is most likely caused by a mod. However, you now have a clean install to fall back on. You can rename the files back to what they were and be back to your clean install without having to reinstall again.

Sounds like lots of work, but you will have a clean install and a back up clean install when you are finished.

oooohhh boy!

thanks to you, UR84N_54MUR41!

but my rens beauty pack still doesnt work. I did exactly what you wrote.

I dont know what you meant with that vanilla-thing. (do you mean ice-cream?)
I have oblivion with knights of the nine and shivering isles.
I had no other hair-, face- and so on - mods on it.

the faces and tattoos and so on are showing up, too, but the hair is very important and theyre not working...

do you have another idea?
or what should I tell you about my computer or game that you could help me, maybe?

I am thankful for every hint.

Kikihamster, it helps if you make your own post. This one is buried inside of another one. Some people might not see it.

We need to know what other mods you are running and if possible a load order. Also, are you running OBSE or OBMM?

vanilla refers to the game with no mods installed (plain Oblivion)

ooookaay.
this topic has exactly the same name as mine would have, and one guy who solved the problem, exactly the same problem that I have, if you havent noticed yet, I am talking about rens beauty pack, where no hair turns up.
I mean, in other forums you will be told off for "double-postings".
I dont know what a load order is, anyway, but I dont use obmm or the other thing youve mentioned.
I dont play this vanilla-thing, I have also knights of the nine and shivering isles.
I have many other mods on the game. Would it really help if I all post them?

and yes, almost forgot, I am german, so Im no genious in english language.
I couldnt find anybody in a german forum who knows about mods, and I thougt you guys could help me.

if this is okay i will do what you say and create a new topic.

Your English is better than many of the native speakers I have helped.
A load order is the order that Oblivion loads the mods. Unfortunately, the order that the data shows may not be the actual load order. To get a true load order list, I recommend OBMM, (Oblivion Mod Manager) by Timeslip, available from his site, here: http://timeslip.chorrol.com/current/obmm.zip

Load order can be important when more than one mod changes the same thing. In that case, the last mod loaded will supersede any previous mod and take control of that thing.

Often by moving the mod you are having trouble with down in the load order, it will take control from the other mod. OBMM allows you to move mods up or down in the load order.

It has many more functions, It is not a mod, but a separate program that must be started before Oblivion. Read the readme that comes with it for instructions on installing and running it.

Many mods can affect the hair in the game, not all are hair mods. any mod that does anything with the hair slot on characters or NPCs can cause a problem. I am not familiar with most of the German mods, however, a few have been translated into English.

Other mods that can affect Rens Beauty pack may include any other mod that changes a character's appearance or eyes. Such as another face mod. (the original version of Beautiful people is one of these) There are several combined mods that include Rens hair with other mods that normally conflict. The latest version of beautiful people 2.7 combines Rens, soyas and several other conflicting mods into one working mod.

I do know that there are several German speaking members of Tesnexus, and if I can't help, hopefully one of them can.

Double posting is when the same person posts the same question twice.

Okay, I'm back.

To clarify, Vanilla Oblivion is when you don't have any mods. Like when you FIRST installed the game.
I don't have shivering isles, but I don't think it would matter that much.

The faces and skins are showing? GREAT! You're making progress. That's exactly what happened with me first. I got the skins and faces, but no hair. So you're doing good.

Okay, this might be odd, but there's a certain download you have to get. If you downloaded the Ren's Beauty Pack mod from the site in its little "download" section next to "comments" and "description", then you have the wrong one.
That beauty pack doesn't include the hairs. Download the mod from the "Mirrors" section of the download page.

Just to be sure, search through your /Oblivion/Data /textures and /meshes for the HAIRS folder. Make sure there are files in those.

umm...if you've got it from that source, then you should be ok.
Also, if you have the TWO separate mods (I downloaded Ren's Beauty Pack and it had one called something like -customracesonly and -hairsonly. I installed both, and when I activated the .esp's, it didn't work. Only activate the /addrace esp. You DO, however, need to install the -hairsonly part of the mod.

If you need me to explain that more, lemme know.
I'd be glad to fill you in extensively.

BBEN46
I'll try the full uninstall/reinstall.
I DID do a "full uninstall" according to the bethesda support people, where I went through the registry and erased any mention of Oblivion's data.
Even after I reinstalled that, it didn't work. That's why I uninstalled it a long time ago.

I've never heard of some of your methods, so even though I'm skeptical, I'll do it.
Like I said, I'm willing to try anything.

i'll get back t you when I'm done.

Thanks.

I did all of your reinstall steps.
ALL of them.
Perfectly.
Exactly!

Annndddd.....

CRASH

I'm crying on the inside.

wish me luck.
I still am willing to solve this.
Any help is Kudos'd!

@UR84N_54MUR41

imagine, I did what you told, I went downloading the stuff from the "mirrors"-section. you were right, I didnt got hair at all. so I fumbled with the two new downloads (exactly as you said, the addrace and hair-only) and activated only the first. aand peeeeeeng!

it works, I can see all the beautiful new hair!!!!!!
hurra du hast es geschafft!!!
thank you very much!

kind regards, kiki

Well, between us we got Kikihamster working.
I don't understand why your game is crashing though.

Did you start the first time before loading any extra files? even SI or any patches?
Did you start a new game, just as if you were playing for the first time, then make a save?
There is a file called oblivion.ini that is in the folder with the saved games. Be sure that you don't move the old version back until you are sure the game works. When you reinstall, that file is re created.

Again, I have never encountered the fuzzy screen you describe. Could your board be overheating?

hoorah!
I think I understand some german...

GERMAN:
"hurra du hast es geschafft!!!"
UR84N TRANSLATION:
Huray, you have a gift!

I am good. yes. No babelfish necessary.

Kikihamster (love the name), stay in touch. If you need assistance later, PM me!

bben46...
No one understands it so far.
It's killing me.
Yes, I started and made a savegame before adding anything at all. Even patches. I made a save, and played as far as I could until it crashed again.
Yep, I moved it out and everything. Like I said, I followed it step by step, to every detail. I think it's a problem with my video card. When my father had it, it crashed on him, too, but he could get around it. (It didn't crash when he played Oblivion, though. Go figure.) ANYWAY, it crashes all the time. WHen I got it, it was great at first, but after two years I think it's losing itself. I won't be getting a new one anytime soon, so I may just have to get over it.

No Oblivion for me? T_T

It probably is overheating. I'll take the casing off, see how that works.
If it doesn't, then nuts.

bben, thanks VERY much for your excellent help on this problem.
I feel it may be coming to a close though. If you still have suggestions, I'll be ECSTATIC to try them.

Also, I'll take a screenshot of the crash if I can. You'll see it in my next post. It's kind of like a TV's static fuzz. Sideways jagged lines. The colors of them are dependent on what was going on in the background.

TC

I would like to see that pic, It sounds more like overheating or a vid card than a problem with the game. Most video cards have a fan, make sure it is running. Some video cards and most motherboards include a utility that can allow you to look at temperatures. I had to add fans to my case because my Nvidia 7600GT was overheating when I first started playing Oblivion. You might try lowering your video settings to minimum just to see if that works. Minimum settings will not generate as much heat.

The fan is running.
It's kidna small though. I could get a bigger one. That would make the space within my....
By jorge, that's it!
I got a new power supply to run my graphics card, but it's kinda clunky and had a lot of wires!
That's why it overheats so bad! I removed the cover, but it still overheated. I'll look for that utility, and lower the settings to lowwwww (I don't mind crap graphics for worthy gameplay) to see how that goes. This just may save my gaming =]

I'll let you know if it works. It's late, so I'll let you know tomorrow.
Take care!

I...am amazed...

It works!
I took of the cover, placed it in a cooler spot, and it works...
But I did lower the graphics to medium. So the game looks like garbage.
The gameplay is still fun. but I'm gonna try and push it to the limit.
Now I'm debating which mods I should work to put it. I had Deadly Reflex 3 installed, but whenever I used a shield bash or whatever, it crashed to desktop.

I have some other questions for you, bben. Shuld I start a new topic, continue here, or PM you?

I have a new site where I am starting to post all of my troubleshooting and help files I check it before I look at Tesnexus

It's not really complete yet, but it is open. Come on over and take a look. Give us some feedback.

http://s1.zetaboards.com/TheStormRavenLibrary/index/