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bluekatt
nintendo might have been denying this but few people cant deney that its true
the gameboy is well and truly dead
the last hardware update or release to the gameboy line was the execrable gameboy advance micro in 2005
a true piece of garbage the likes nintendo hasnt produced since the days of th virtual boy a gba reduced to rigorous and minum size which makes playing the damn thing almost impossible
and it has not been the succes nintendo had hoped it to be because it was nothing more then making a greedy dig at the peopel who walked around with ipod mini's
nintendo tried to lure ipod users away and it failed miserably because apple decided to kil the mini around the same time for the nano ( something i found hilarious )
but it leaves the micro as the last ( and shamefull) entry in the gameboy line
the DS has taken over quite firmly with well over 70 million units sold
Vagrant0
QUOTE(bluekatt @ Jun 5 2008, 12:33 AM) *
nintendo might have been denying this but few peopel can deney that its true
the gameboy is well and truly dead
the last hardware update or release to the gameboy line was the execrable gameboy advance micro in 2005
a true piece of garbage the likes nintendo hasnt produced since the days of th virtual boy a gba reduced to rigorous and minum size which makes playing the damn thing almost impossible
and it has not been the succes nintendo had hoped it to be because it was nothing more then making a greedy dig at the peopel who walked around with ipod mini's
nintendo tried to lure ipod users away and it failed miserably because apple decided to kil the mini around the same time for the nano ( something i found hilarious )
but it leaves the micro as the last ( and shamefull) entry in the gameboy line
the DS has taken over quite firmly with well over 70 million units sold

It's to be expected, and really, it's been a hell of a run. I have the original brick, as well as the GBA myself. the days of 8-12 button gaming are long dead really. It will however always have a firm place among people using emulators (legally)since most based on newer systems just don't have all the bugs worked out, and transfering media is more difficult. Afterall, DS was designed to be the replacement of the Gameboy. And the PSP a close copy of the DS. People will always take better graphics, and more funtionallity over smaller size. Look at cellphones, instead of getting smaller, they're just adding more features now a days.
bluekatt
dont you mean 2 - 4 button gaming ?
the controller on my xbox 360 has 8- 12 bttons if you count the d-pad
yes it was a hell of a brick but the official word of nintendo to this day is stil that the DS is not a replacement for the gamebody but a thir dpillar and we al know thats obviously rubbish
the DS is made to replace the gamebody simple as that

i howver doubt the psps is a close copy of the ds the psp is basically a playstation 2 scaled down to fit in the palm of your hand with a screen pretty much as big as the DS is
the psp is made to be a multimedia machine the DS isnt yet the DS is outselling the psp

i dont care much for cellphones or phones at all
Triforce1
The reason the DS is outselling the PSP, and always will, is because it is easier to use, more intuitive, and the games are fun for a wider audience. Have you counted how many buttons are on the PSP? True, the grafics are much better, but that doesn't mean much to a young kid or an older person (at least many). That is also the reason that the Wii is outselling the PS3. Of course, this considering the legal issues the PS3 was involved in during its creation. The Wii is simply easier to use. Some games don't even require the use of buttons at all. I've heard it said that Nintendo is dying out, but I must laugh. Really, has Sony come up with a genuinely original game, or idea for their systems? Nintendo has LoZ, Mario, Metroid, SSB, and a whole host of other exclusive titles, and Microsoft has Halo and at least one or two others. What does Sony have?

Okay, now to get down off of my soap box and quit with the pro-Nintendo rant... tongue.gif
Vagrant0
QUOTE(Triforce1 @ Jun 7 2008, 05:42 PM) *
Really, has Sony come up with a genuinely original game, or idea for their systems? Nintendo has LoZ, Mario, Metroid, SSB,

Just for clarification, all those titles mentioned have been around since either the original NES, or N64 days, so are hardly original these days.

And, the reason why there aren't any titles like that for Playstation is because Sony's plan for the system has always been focusing on the hardware/OS portion of it, and has game production almost exclusivly to a 3rd party. When they did try making their own games, they failed miserably since they just ripped off concepts from others (crash). As a tradeoff, PS systems have always had support for things other than games, PS1 could play music CDs, PS2 could play CDs and DVDs (main reason I bought one), and their latest systems keep that trend, meanwhile other systems are almost exclusivly for games.

But yeah, that touchscreen on the DS is alot easier to use (until you lose the stylus), so has a greater appeal to younger and older people. The range of game titles also reflects this since many are aimed at either children (girls particularly) and adults.
bluekatt
QUOTE(Triforce1 @ Jun 7 2008, 05:42 PM) *
The reason the DS is outselling the PSP, and always will, is because it is easier to use, more intuitive, and the games are fun for a wider audience. Have you counted how many buttons are on the PSP? True, the grafics are much better, but that doesn't mean much to a young kid or an older person (at least many). That is also the reason that the Wii is outselling the PS3. Of course, this considering the legal issues the PS3 was involved in during its creation. The Wii is simply easier to use. Some games don't even require the use of buttons at all. I've heard it said that Nintendo is dying out, but I must laugh. Really, has Sony come up with a genuinely original game, or idea for their systems? Nintendo has LoZ, Mario, Metroid, SSB, and a whole host of other exclusive titles, and Microsoft has Halo and at least one or two others. What does Sony have?

Okay, now to get down off of my soap box and quit with the pro-Nintendo rant... tongue.gif


...utter tosh

have you counted the amount of buttons on the DS ? six including a touch screen dual screens and a stylus if anything the DS is more intimidating and unfriendly then the psp

...and i assume the fact that the price tag of the wii is nearly half that of the ps3 has nothing to do with things at all has it ?
apart from first party titles the 2008 line up for the wii is quite barren while sony is revving things up
the wii is a substandard upgraded game cube with a gimmick nothing more nothing less
honestly the only game that works on the wii is nights in to dreams a game made for that console ( back in 96 show show far thinking sega was already ) and thats by sega
all the other games are either tech demo's gimmicks or sequals with half baked attempt at wiimote controls
you casually dismiss the fact that the ps3 is more then just a game consoel that it plays ps1 and 2 games as wel has a hard drive and is the cheapest blu ray dvd player on the market as of now
nintendo is running on empty all those games you name have been around since the 80's and nintendo these days is wringing them out for every dime an dif nintedo is not running on empty why are they digging up thier old games again such lumintes we havent seen since 1988 such as exite truck\bike and kid icarus
how many pokemon games do we need or are there still coming out ?
nintendo has gone from quality to quanitity what to think of 8 mario parties
a mario kart for every system they have sans the virtual boy mario is becominf over saturated he is every where an dhere it hought he was juts a platformer nintendo seems to be thinking other wise
and before you throw mario kart and smash bros in my face they are still sequals

microsoft has halo ..and err..halo forza motorsport viva pinata and a couple of other games
sony has gran turismo ( do they need anything else ? ) and syphon filter

both ms and sony have games such metal gear solid 4 oblivion and gta 4 in their line up
what has nintendo ? no dont tell me smash bros brawl right ?
ianfreddie07
The Nintendo DS may have 6 buttons and a touchpad, but do you expect to use all of them in one instance?

The thing about Nintendo games and game consoles are that... they may look simple, but are more fun than you would expect. That's the reason Nintendo was so popular. Simple but very fun. There will be more Mario, Pokemon and Super Smash Bros. sequels, and still regardless of how many times you've seen it, you'll have to think it's a timeless classic.

Regarding Sony, Microsoft and other big names... Yes, they may be good, but sometimes people just want the light-hearted fun that Nintendo games have to offer.
Vagrant0
QUOTE(bluekatt @ Jun 8 2008, 03:36 AM) *

I wouldn't say it is all motivated by failing profits. Many of those old titles are being released as pieces of nostolgia which will probably work well with the growing adult gaming market. And although they have been reusing the same character groups, they have managed to keep their games inovative, and have always made use of whatever new technology was available. And really, if you want to be critical, Nintendo did alot more Mario prostitution with the SNES than any other system. When he wasn't teaching people about history, or how to draw, it was ripping off the FF series, or playing his usual role in a platform game.

I mean, comeon, wouldn't a new Contra game just have to kick ass?
doomjockey
Back to the semi-erstwhile Gameboy, I'm glad every DS still comes with a GBA port, which I thought must've pleased a lot of customers who probably expected to hang on to both systems. I'm not sure what's wrong with Nintendo in your eyes, Bluekatt, but they admittedly focus on a totally different demographic than Sony and Microsoft. Expounding upon ianfreddie07's comments, the Wii wasn't designed as a full-on media centre like the PS3 and 360 but as a gaming station and a gaming station only for purposes of mass appeal through simplification. The exact same goes for the DS vs. the PSP, which you've mentioned doesn't play movies or music in the interest of pure gaming. Simplified when compared to the PSP, but more features added in regards to Vagrant0's comments.

Of course personal preference is obviously up to you, the person.
Wrath_Of_Deadguy01
I don't think Game Boy is dead at all- I think that Nintendo could very well have just called the DS a Game Boy DS and that would've been that. Yes, it adds a touchscreen and some other nifty features, but it still follows the same formula as previous GB systems (it doesn't alter the system any more significantly than the addition of a color screen or shoulder buttons; it's just the next logical step). Changing the name of the system doesn't change what it is to the customer who keeps buying it; Nintendo probably just figured that the name was dead. The DS is a Game Boy, IMHO.

Besides, even the older models are still around; they're the hardiest game systems ever made. I'll lay odds that there will still be plenty of Game Boys- even Color, Pocket, and classic brick models- decades from now, because the things just don't die It would take a hammer and some serious determination to break one; they're damn near bloody invincible. You can start reporting the death of the Game Boy when they actually become hard to find; I can't see that happening any time soon. Even most of the original cartridges are still fairly easy to come by; only the very most popular ones (Kirby, Tetris, etc) are actually difficult to track down.
hoots7
QUOTE(doomjockey @ Jun 8 2008, 10:30 PM) *
Back to the semi-erstwhile Gameboy, I'm glad every DS still comes with a GBA port, which I thought must've pleased a lot of customers who probably expected to hang on to both systems. I'm not sure what's wrong with Nintendo in your eyes, Bluekatt, but they admittedly focus on a totally different demographic than Sony and Microsoft. Expounding upon ianfreddie07's comments, the Wii wasn't designed as a full-on media centre like the PS3 and 360 but as a gaming station and a gaming station only for purposes of mass appeal through simplification. The exact same goes for the DS vs. the PSP, which you've mentioned doesn't play movies or music in the interest of pure gaming. Simplified when compared to the PSP, but more features added in regards to Vagrant0's comments.

Of course personal preference is obviously up to you, the person.

Ditto for me, also agree with Wrath_ofDeadguy01 "The DS is a Game Boy, IMHO."
Nintendo was very smart to make the DS reverse computable if only Sony would have made their PSP the same.

It is a balancing act, always has been in the video game industry.
Price vs. technology and what will when people over the most.
DS technology is not as high but the price is lower & the return of investment on games customers already own increases making the DS even more appealing.

My kids have an old gameboy they were given & a few games, I think their next will be a DS because of being able to still play their old games & get new ones.
Not to mention I've never bought any Gameboy games for myself yet & I like the idea of being able to go to Gamestop, flea markets or the local pawn shop & buy them cheaply.
Do I like being able to play a movie on the PSP, yes but I'm not about to pay the same price for a PSP version of a movie as a DVD, plus with a little bit of my time I can put it on their Mp4 Player.
Unless the PSP's internet capabilities are a lot better than the DS (I don't know) that would not persuade me either.

So to sum up.....the name Gameboy may be dead, but definitely not the Nintendo hand held system.
Triforce1
QUOTE(Wrath_Of_Deadguy01 @ Jun 9 2008, 03:38 PM) *
The DS is a Game Boy, IMHO.


Well, not really. That is one of the only problems with the DS. it doesn't play GB Color Games, only GBA. And as far as all of the old games being merely sequels in an attampt to ride out the profit wave, you are as correct as I am. If I had invented Mario and Link, I think I would let all the millions of people over the last twenty years continue to buy these games. LoZ and Mario will never go out of style not only because gaming adults remember them, but because they came up with classic formulae. You can definately predict these games, and they've been around the block a few hundred times, but people still buy them. Why? Because they are fun. I tried picking up the original Halo when it came out; ha. I remember that the Xbox controller refused to sit well in my relatively young hands. Playstation? Yeah, that worked for me; about a million buttons. Of course, this tyrade only goes to show that personal preference goes a long way. As far as handheld platforms, Nintendo has long held the bar on that. How many years was it between the Game Boy and the PSP? And before that, Nintendo had Game and Watch (just had to bring that up; Mr. Game and Watch Smash!)? And I hate to bring it up, but what were Sony and Microsoft doing when the NES came out? Sony had the walkman, and had Bill Gates even come up with his OS? (Sorry, I am not that old but I did have a walkman)

Again I must apologize, because it seems that whenever the big N is being pitted up against the others I just have to jump in. Don't know why; must have something to do with a purple game boy when I was nine.
Palpenious
It seems fairly obvious that Nintendo's only focus is games. Sony and Microsoft have many other things on their plate, and while the PS3 and 360 are major properties to them, they are still only a portion of their overall investments. Nintendo also seems to hit gold with practically all of their original IPs, (Mario, Zelda, Metroid, etc.) which also seems obvious because of the popularity of Smash Bros. I don't think the Game Boy as a system will ever be officially dead, with the backwards comp. of the DS there is just no reason. GBA seriously extended the life of even the oldest games, especially with the backlit screen. And, as far as I know, GBA games are still being released. The DS is great, but I think the GBA is pretty much the pinnacle of hand-held gaming.
chris 07
QUOTE(Triforce1 @ Jun 7 2008, 10:42 AM) *
The reason the DS is outselling the PSP, and always will, is because it is easier to use, more intuitive, and the games are fun for a wider audience. Have you counted how many buttons are on the PSP? True, the grafics are much better, but that doesn't mean much to a young kid or an older person (at least many). That is also the reason that the Wii is outselling the PS3. Of course, this considering the legal issues the PS3 was involved in during its creation. The Wii is simply easier to use. Some games don't even require the use of buttons at all. I've heard it said that Nintendo is dying out, but I must laugh. Really, has Sony come up with a genuinely original game, or idea for their systems? Nintendo has LoZ, Mario, Metroid, SSB, and a whole host of other exclusive titles, and Microsoft has Halo and at least one or two others. What does Sony have?

Okay, now to get down off of my soap box and quit with the pro-Nintendo rant... tongue.gif

How about GTA4 and MGS4? MGS4 is supposed to be the best game to come out...and it already got 5 stars in each magazine that do game reviews....wii gets boring fairly fast if you do not have anyone to play with, while the PS3 has blu ray, multiplayer (so does the wii but the one on the wii is new and not nearly as good), and many great one player games. PS3 has many great titles, if you bother to look them up you'd know, instead of just assuming.
The PSP is the same thing, you could watch movie, and well do all kinds of media stuff besides just playing games, things that the DS will NEVER have that includes taking pictures and talking with someone using it like a cell phone.
Only reason why people buy the DS and the Wii over the Playstation3 and PSP is because they "look" funner. I actually have the wii AND PS3 and find the PS3 much better.
gman021
QUOTE(chris 07 @ Jun 10 2008, 07:56 PM) *
QUOTE(Triforce1 @ Jun 7 2008, 10:42 AM) *
The reason the DS is outselling the PSP, and always will, is because it is easier to use, more intuitive, and the games are fun for a wider audience. Have you counted how many buttons are on the PSP? True, the grafics are much better, but that doesn't mean much to a young kid or an older person (at least many). That is also the reason that the Wii is outselling the PS3. Of course, this considering the legal issues the PS3 was involved in during its creation. The Wii is simply easier to use. Some games don't even require the use of buttons at all. I've heard it said that Nintendo is dying out, but I must laugh. Really, has Sony come up with a genuinely original game, or idea for their systems? Nintendo has LoZ, Mario, Metroid, SSB, and a whole host of other exclusive titles, and Microsoft has Halo and at least one or two others. What does Sony have?

Okay, now to get down off of my soap box and quit with the pro-Nintendo rant... tongue.gif

How about GTA4 and MGS4? MGS4 is supposed to be the best game to come out...and it already got 5 stars in each magazine that do game reviews....wii gets boring fairly fast if you do not have anyone to play with, while the PS3 has blu ray, multiplayer (so does the wii but the one on the wii is new and not nearly as good), and many great one player games. PS3 has many great titles, if you bother to look them up you'd know, instead of just assuming.
The PSP is the same thing, you could watch movie, and well do all kinds of media stuff besides just playing games, things that the DS will NEVER have that includes taking pictures and talking with someone using it like a cell phone.
Only reason why people buy the DS and the Wii over the Playstation3 and PSP is because they "look" funner. I actually have the wii AND PS3 and find the PS3 much better.


Personally, I find that Xbox Live is A LOT better than the PS3 online. It's only $50 a year too.

You know what I don't get? Is that how MGS started with Nintendo, and now it's excluseively Sony.

Just found that interesting.


Also, I have seen PLENTY of people still playing the GB. Not because of awesome graphics, but because it's original.
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