http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3340274697167011147

This is a very interesting video about the Alaskan oil Wells, and how gasoline could be $1.50 a gallon in California right now. The video is fairly lengthy, so I'll highlight some interesting facts that were outlined in the video. Keep in mind, this video is a little disturbing to some, because it presents the very real fact that America is being held hostage.

This guy outlines how the US Congressmen, both Republican and Democratic, have been dishonest to the American people in regards to oil. We have the largest oil well under US control, with the largest oil pipeline built to supply oil to the American people, and yet Congress has passed that their would be no oil coming from Alaska. What the hell? He also talks about the executives of VP Oil company that is controlling the market price of oil by not drilling. What the hell?

So my beef is, why are we not drilling? We have enough oil to supply ourselves and be completely independent from foreign oil, so why don't we use it? Also, what is everyone's opinion on this?

Better yet, what is the opinion of the folks here that are outside the US? Being an American, I only see what's inside. What's the view outside?

Look back in your history books, durring the first Bush term, when he was actually regarded as being slightly capable. The environmentalist groups raised too much of a stink over it, and shut down pretty much any hope of it ever happening by paying off the right people to get bills passed. The latest agenda, naming polar bears among threatened species is slated to be the latest nail in that coffin. It isn't that there aren't places we could get oil, and other materials which can be used to create energy, it's that certain environmental groups have made it impossible to act on these resources. Afterall, most politicians either don't drive long distance themselves, or don't pay for their own gas, so are more inclined to take the side of those groups which are willing to give them money.

That is not to say that the "Green" movement may not have its merits, but much of it is being orcestrated at the cost of productivity and the life of the actual country. It'll be real fun to find out that "global warming" is actually a natural event, and that even if humanity were to completely stop producing CO2 overnight, it would still be happening because the oceans are full of it, and as the ocean temperatures rise, their ability to remain saturated decreases, which sends it into the atmosphere, which causes more warming. Just the thawing of the permfrost in Russia is releasing more methane than all industry based sources. But that's a side issue.

Basically, any time the discussion of refineries, mining, or drilling is brought up, the sorts of poorly designed, managed, operated facilities from the 60s and 70s get thought of. People can't seem to understand that mining, once completed can restore the area back to natural conditions, that drilling is far cleaner and safer than it once was, and that refineries can collect and make use of almost all byproducts.

All we need is a way of extracting oil without Pizsing off Green Peace.

Of course, that's real easy to say, but almost impossible to do.

I live in Alaska, and I say go for it! Darned greenie weenies...

-Dume

Then please get in contact with one of your senators (forgot which one) who is against the polar bear issue, and let her know that the people are behind her on this.

Not only that, but contact Don Young's office. I looked him up, and saw that he's made some very interesting comments. One such comment I found is:



In addition, this guy is the third most senior Republican congressman in the US House of Representatives. He is also, quote:



Don Young is the only Representative for Alaska in Congress, and is also referred to as Alaska's "Third Senator." I would be contacting this guy...

Links:

http://donyoung.house.gov/contact.htm


The senator Vagrant is talking about is Lisa Murkowski, the only native born Alaskan in Congress. According to Wikipedia:



Her site is: http://murkowski.senate.gov/public/

Then there's Ted Stevens. I don't know a whole lot about him, so I can't say which way he'll go. But he's worth contacting anyway. Site is: http://stevens.senate.gov/public/

After researching these three Congressmen, I get the impression that Alaska wants to drill.

Since foreign opinion was asked: Maybe the purpose is saving the own reserves. Energy, mainly non renewable sources are treated as national security issue in several places.

Maybe the US should get its head out of its arse and really jump on the alternative fuel thing. Other countries have done it...I believe our friend Nosisab's home of Brazil went through a hard bit to get it done.

It will suck but a complete change to alternatives can be made to where we dont have to choose between destroying the last pristine enviroment and staying dependent on others in the US.

Also there is not NEAR as much oil in Alaska as people think....it would only be a temporary fix and we need to be looking long-term here folks.

I am not a big "enviromentalist" but once you take that road to get the oil there is no going back. It is done.

I am poor...very poor..so gas prices hurt me as much if not more than others. Takes more out of our income...and the gas tax in WV is HUGE!! We pay 44 cents on a gallon of gas in tax here. But America has been wasting resources like crazy...just look at all the SUVs. It is time to be resposible...look to the future and the long-term and end our dependence on fossil fuels and non-renewable resources. Will they always be needed and used..yes...but do they have to be the #1..no.

You raise a valid point here. It does make sense to save the oil into reserves, especially with the lengthy war we have going on.

But what's not making sense to Americans, is why raise oil prices to the point where it effects our entire economy? Americans are looking for an answer, and they are looking for a solution to the problem.

WHAT??!?!?

Are you implying that elected representatives should actually follow the will of the people they serve?!?!

ARE YOU INSANE!?!?!

That'd be like a republic system of government or something! And heaven knows we couldn't have that.....



But seriously, the government needs to do what it was meant to do. Obey the will of the people.

However, I also believe research should increase in the area of alternative fuels. Just in case. And it couldn't hurt to help the environment, regardless of whether global warming is true, or if it is, if we caused it.

So, drill, but also look for more efficient forms of energy. That's how I feel.

There are three differences, One, we have those places to get those resources, we are just too busy caring about the barely existant ecological impact. Two, the US is alot more developed than Brazil, so needs alot more of those alternative fuels. Third, those sources of alternative fuel, corn mostly, are extremely dependant on a good corn crop, and up till now was not economically viable, and still isn't since many farms have gone under due to increased operating costs.

Simply, you cannot replace the fuel needs of the country based on those alternative fuels as they exist now, or will exist in the near future. It would take 5-10 years for such a switch to take place, and by then trucking (the lifeblood of the country) would have dwindled to nearly nothing (since no alternative fuel has the performance requirements of the industry) and all air travel would have likely ceased (for the very same reason).

Although, yes, there is some point in keeping reserves, the reality is that we don't even know what reserves we do have because we are not able to even investigate them. Meanwhile other countries can lay claim to whatever is close enough to international waters. We had a very large deposit of oil just off the coast of key west, we knew it was there, and did nothing about it because we have so many laws passed. Now there is an oil rig owned by china 50 miles off the coast which did some slant drilling, and is now helping themselves to that "reserve". Now where is the logic in that one?

Where will the logic be when it eventually comes to actual war over oil?

War happens at several levels, it's not small the number of people that thinks the Iraque one was not well explained. Including Americans. Anyway I think the ones that could speak properly about this issue would not do it here.

But the very essence of the problem was touched, yes, 5/10 years aren't enough to change the infra-structure necessary to adopt alternative energy sources. A good, very good reason to begin As Soon As Possible. The other is so much important to be neglected too: Waste. Our demand is in crescent and wildly crescent for energy. The growing rate of that demand can't anymore be accounted to a few countries. Not a bright future of peace and harmony we can see if no care is given to the problem NOW, by everyone.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't oil the reason why Japan bombed Pearl Harbor?


As for alternative fuels, they will help with the consumers, but they will not solve the problem. Alternative sources are coming too slow too late. In addition, Vagrant is right, there is no alternative for our truckers, there is no alternative other than nuclear fuel for our ships, and there is no alternative for our aircraft. Can anyone here think of a way to keep a F-16 airborne without oil. There's ethanol alright, but not enough of it.

Now there's no doubt that alternative fuels will help, but the technology isn't mature enough to take the fuel burden of a nation such as the US. Remember people, the US is a nation of 50 different United States, all with their own economies and governments. Can alternative fuels keep those 50 economies going?

China is slant oil drilling off the coast, so is Cuba off the coast of Florida. Both are communist states. Not good for NATO. Yes, I know the Cold War is over, but that was just the USSR. China is still out there, along with Cuba who has already tried to pick a fight once already. What next? Next thing we'll know Russia will be slant drilling off Alaska, then we'll have no reserve. So I say drill before Russia does.

As for Nosisab's mention of Iraq, nobody has got no earthly idea of what the hell is going on behind the scenes. Yeah, there's the WMD theory, then there's the oil theory as well. Either one doesn't make sense.

But Nosisab strikes a point that we need to begin on solutions NOW. Not thinking about it, but actually doing it.

Iraq probably was about oil, since we can't secure the oil in our own country, the best we can do is secure it in that of a potential ally.

I don't know about Pearl Harbor, so can't answer that one. But actual war over oil isn't unthinkable. If a country like the US continues to sit on oil it can't use for environmental reasons, while much of the country's infastructure falls apart, then it might look like a fairly good risk for some country which is oil based, and happens to have enough of it stored up. Afterall, once it has been secured and tapped, whoever has it would have the advantage that the Saudi's and other countries currently have.

But yeah, there's more chance that things over most of the world would just regress to 1500's standards of travel and expansion before it came to that. And that would result in many more deaths than any war. If people have a choice between starving to death because there aren't enough local sources of food, and changing to a loyalty to a government that will allow them to continue their lives, most people would choose that other government.

i hate to burst your bubble but that 44 cents is nothing compared to the monsterous taxes we get in europe add a mark up anywhere from 16 to 23 %
my own country adds 19 %
not only that but a gallon is 4 litres ( 3.7 actually)
a litre of premium unleaded costs 1, 53 euro here a litre of diesel is 1,30
yeah this means diddly squat to you but through the eyes of a non american usa gas prices are ludicrously cheap

I'm just hoping America doesn't attack Alberta for the oil sands when they're done with the middle east.....it's a bitch to get oil outta that stuff....

Ok here I go... First of all, I am a citizen of Turkey, I think many of you know my country ragarding the invasion of Iraq (Yes it was an invasion I will get to that in a minute...) US have a big military base in the southern part of my country, US wanted to use that as a base to attack Iraq and our government did not agree to that...

Regarding the price of oil, yea US has the most reserves along with the Russians, but US wants to save her reserves for future... I guess it was a year ago that a big pipe line was closed down due to maintanance but dont know after that... the thing is, the best oil comes out of middle east, the best quality and reserves... That is why Iraq invaded Kuwait years ago, 1993 I guess, and that is why US invaded Iraq... to take control of the oil reserves, that is why US is trying to form a three seperate states, kurds on the northern part, where the most oil is in Iraq, so US will back kurds, kurds will sell oil to US real cheap... That is why my country is still suffering from terrorism, your 9/11 is nothing compared to what happened in my lands for 23 years... Can you imagine it? 23 years, the southeastern part of my country is filled with kurds and army is battling them, in my lands, my army is battling the terrorists...

Well it was a bit off the topic sorry about that but the problem is mainly US and russia doesnt want to use their reserves and paticularly the recent activites of US is really pissing off the middle east countries and they tend to limit their productions, the south american countries are doing the same as well, that is why a barrel of oil is like 100 bucks now (Sorry dont know the exact price, and it changes constantly) so what happens is US's doing, they reap what they sow actually...

I suppose so but it is now well over $4.00/gallon here. It has gone up here 15 cents over the last 3 weeks. We Americans have been lucky to not have to pay high gas prices until now. But when our income hasnt changed (mine is down becasue i am currently unemployed) and the rise in gas prices has made everything go up (especially food) it is quite a pounding. And the 44 gas tax is outrageous compaired to other states.

Is better I quiting the discussion here, we Brazilians are 'blessed' with the (probably) more expensive gas around the world, abeit it being among the worse ones too (officially it comes already mixed with metanol).

Otherwise this forced an interesting situation. Our cars are nowadays coming with high technology called "Total Flex" that allows optimized use of fuel ... gas (even gas as gases, not gasoline too), metanol, mixed gas/metanol ... and so on. Theoretically these ones can work with near something that burns

I don't think that technology is our exclusive, but no doubts we are the ideal lab to develop then.

PS edit: The mentioned tech involves new materials able to resist diverse levels of stress and corrosion, computerized sample and correction of the mixture... a vast field.

I will admit, Brazil has something going with their alcohol based fuel, which is known in the states as E-85 ethanol. (at least I think it's called that) And it has some Congressmen talking about opening up free trade between the US and Brazil. In the US we have the Flex Fuel technology, but it's nowhere near as good as what Brazil has. I agree with you here that Brazil is the ideal place to develop the E-85 and the flex fuel technology.

As for prices in American verses that of other countries:



This tells me that the problem has been ongoing, and is an international problem and not a domestic problem. And with that, another question about Alaska, "How would Alaskan Drilling affect prices outside the US?" Would everybody's prices drop, and not just America's? If so, then why doesn't Europe put pressure on the US to drill? (I'm assuming that Europe is not putting pressure, but really I don't know)



A bit off topic of course, but raises a valid point as it reveals foreign opinion. Really, I do not know if this is true.

Macmert, what effect do you think that Alaskan drilling would have in the Middle East?

Now if that is true, and Bush invaded for oil, then it means that America has a problem. A problem that will hopefully be solved in the next election.



Really, I think America needs to drill in Alaska, as it seems to be the answer to a lot of problems. It'll help with our own prices, it may help in foreign relations, and it may help every bodies prices.

America is also part of OPEC, so yes, if they weren't importing as much oil, there would be more available for other countries, and if there was enough of it, they would probably be among those countries supplying. The reason oil prices are so high isn't so much supply and demand, but also because there have been people speculating the price all over the world. If a sudden influx of oil hit the market, the price of oil would drop, and many of these speculators would be in trouble as they get stuck holding stocks which have now plumeted.

The effect on the middle east would be ruining the power game that Saudi Arabia and some other countries have been playing the last few decades. At the moment they pretty much have the world by the balls, and can cause problems just by deciding to limit production for awhile. They, afterall, are still getting money from countries regardless since everyone needs their oil. The Alaskan Oil fields, incase anyone was wondering, are estimated to contain more oil than most of what the middle east has access to. There just happens to be angry protesters and special interest groups, who often have no idea how the world actually works, standing in the way.

Behold...! I found this in an National Geographic. Pretty nice eh?



-Dume

Another point to ponder: just exactly where is the "Alaskan Oil"? It's my understanding (from potentially biased Canadian media sources) that the bulk of the oil is offshore, in waters where Canada asserts sovereignty (Beaufort Sea, East of the line of the land border if it were extended North into the Arctic Ocean). Does anyone have any detailed information on where this oil is located?

(Note: I only watched the first couple minutes of the OP's linked video).

See that is just it...they arn't sure where it all is..or how much there is...so by all means just go and drill the heck out of everything for a pittance.

Alaskan Oil fields, incase anyone was wondering, are estimated to contain more oil than most of what the middle east has access to.




Show me where this is.

I have read an article that the biggest and most viable source of oil in Alaska...the Chanuk...has estimate by the Shell Oil Company (the Dutch Shell Oil) that this area has about 15 Billion Barrells of recoverable oil. Better than the Gulf of Mexico. But America ALONE uses an estimate 6.6 Billion Barells a year....do the math...how long is that going to last? Geologist estimate that the world wide oil reserves (this includes not drilled) is far less than 100 years...possibly less than 50 years.

Maybe it would solve MY gas issues...but it isn't going to solve my daughters.

We have to STOP thinking short term. I believe these oil fields current and future should stay as RESERVES...like a rainy day fund....and America and the rest of the world need to concentrate on alternative fuels. This is not just corn people. Read up on some of the solar programs the Germans have. There are a million different things out there that if good science is put behind can be made bigger, better and more effecent.

And how about the waste...if you live int he US just look at the freaking SUVs.....I mean come on!

But once you destroy a pristine enviroment....

The bulk of the oil is located in the ANWR, Arctic Natural Wildlife Refuge, which is on land with nearby offshore locations. And thus brings up the issue of why it hasn't been drilled yet, environmentalists. After some research, this has been a game of football for every US president since Jimmy Carter, to quote wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arctic_National_Wildlife_Refuge

As for Lisnpuppy's statement, they don't really know how much there is up there. We know for sure it's the biggest around according to early reports, but Congress has banned a lot of exploration in the ANWR, which is preventing geologists from obtaining an accurate reading.

As for it lasting, it won't. I personally see this as a means to an end, to help with the prices and keep the economy going while alternatives are researched and developed. We drill, we buy more time.

Yes you are correct...the ANWR has the most oil...according to an article dated 1/24/2008:


According to the letter by republicans attempting to pass laws allowing drilling in these areas, "OCS lease sale 193 is estimated to contain 15 billion barrels of oil and 77 trillion cubic feet of natural gas, for a combined total of 27.8 billion barrels of oil equivalent. ANWR is estimated to hold another 10.4 billion barrels of oil, for a total of 38.2 billion barrels of oil.


so...38.2 billion divided by the 6.6 billion used in the US alone each year...
will last at the current rate less than 6 years. Yes it would double the US reserves. However I stand by what I say...a very very temporary fix.

Again I say that other means need to be sought NOW. It has been and would continue to be this: drill and get the oil...assuming that the US Government doesnt sell to the highest bidder...which it has done...
the price of gas goes down! YAH!!!

The desire to find an alternative goes down with the gas prices.

The world oil estimation according to Wikapedia:

Estimated reserves in order

Countries with largest oil reserves The amount of oil in any particular oil field involves a degree of uncertainty until the last barrel of oil is produced and the last oil well is abandoned. The following estimates are the best that could be obtained using publicly available data, and the confidence in them varies greatly from country to country. Estimates in developed countries are generally much more accurate than those for undeveloped countries. For instance, reserves estimates in the United States are considered highly accurate, while those in Iraq are highly uncertain. In many countries (particularly OPEC producers) the estimates may involve a great deal of political influence. The raw data underlying reserves estimates is considered a state secret in some countries, so independent assessments of their reserves cannot be made.

Summary of Reserve Data as of 2007 Country Reserves 1 Production 2 Reserve life 3
109 bbl 109 m3 106 bbl/d 103 m3/d years
Saudi Arabia 260 41 8.8 1,400 81
Canada 179 28.5 2.7 430 182
Iran 136 21.6 3.9 620 74
Iraq 115 18.3 3.7 590 101
Kuwait 99 15.7 2.5 400 108
United Arab Emirates 97 15.4 2.5 400 107
Venezuela 80 13 2.4 380 91
Russia 60 9.5 9.5 1,510 17
Libya 41.5 6.60 1.8 290 63
Nigeria 36.2 5.76 2.3 370 43
United States 21 3.3 4.9 780 12
Mexico 12 1.9 3.2 510 10
Notes:
1 Claimed or estimated reserves in billions (109) of barrels (converted to billions of cubic metres). (Source: Oil & Gas Journal, January, 2007)
2 Production rate in millions (106) of barrels per day (converted to thousands of cubic metres per day) (Source: US Energy Information Authority, September, 2007)
3 Reserve life in years, calculated as reserves / annual production. (from above)

There is ALWAYS a degree of uncertainty when est oil reserves even in a drilled location (read your geology)


The last number in this list is the important one....it is the est years of reserves. Also you can not know how much can actually be viable drilled until you try.

The largest issue is that oil demand continues and will continue (especially with the rise of industrial China) to outpace production...even with all the "probable" reserves being drilled.

So the fight for resources will continue. The demand for oil will continue to run the price of crude and this will effect immediately he prices at the pump. You are fooling yourself if you think that this would be anything more than sticking your finger in the bursting dam.

Drill in absolute emergency....but leave it alone for now.

The economy's issues are far greater than the price of gas..though as I have stated...it effects everything and hurts poor people much more. However consider the spending to fight the war of terror...I am not saying if I agree or disagree with this...but the government has spent this: from an article to congress from CSR

With enactment of the FY2008 Consolidated Appropriations Act (H.R.
2764/P.L. 110-161 on December 26, 2007, Congress has approved a total of about
$700 billion for military operations, base security, reconstruction, foreign aid,
embassy costs, and veterans’ health care for the three operations initiated since the
9/11 attacks: Operation Enduring Freedom (OEF) Afghanistan and other counter
terror operations; Operation Noble Eagle (ONE), providing enhanced security at
military bases; and Operation Iraqi Freedom (OIF).

Now how much of that money...as we know has been wasted or not gotten to where it is supposed to have gone (see BBC report) could have gone into the economy...into alternative fuel research...etc.

Going and drilling in Alaska would be an almost useless endevor. Maybe gas prices would drop for a year...but then they would be right back again and nothing else is solved.

I am not a raging enviromentalist....I do not tie myself to trees. But I live in WV where Coal is King. I have seen 1st hand the impact that the search and taking of fossil fuel has on the envirmoment. From strip mining to the Buffalo Creek Flood....there is no going back. And in such a pristine enviroment as Alaska it would be devestating. Not to mention the impact that fossil fuel use has in and of itself.


If you look now there are news articles about oil leaks currently in Alaska.

So...I personally dont think it is near worth it. I will search for other ways to help the economy, save money, save gas (thank god for my Honda!) and hope others in the US will stop guzzeling the world resources and do the same.

Okay Kiddies here it goes, and this is also how it goes and our goverment knows it.

1. Between Russia and The united states, The two countrys could basically make money off of gas that is 50 cents a gallon. We all have enough in reserves and areas we know of that are just waiting to be drilled.
2. Our goverment, ( U.S.A ) knows this, and is waiting for the moment to open our wells up after the fact the Arabs run out. Give it 10-50 years ( 100 million 50 gallon barrels a day, give or take some ) because instead of starting world war 3 with china, we will sorta team up with them because china also has the world by the balls and that isnt gonna change unless they have a very very serious disaster or war that takes out half there population. China is the newest consumer of oil. To advert 1 billion chinese men from attacking america in the next 100 years we are gonna have to do business with them. Therefore we are gonna have to sell oil to them. Not the middle east.
3. Oil is the name of the game since the germans started there blitzkrieg on europe 60 or so years ago. You cant have a fuctional army without it. Oil is what controls the world and who controls oil is who controls the world. America is not stupid enough to let it slip into another countrys hands permantly per say. Thats why we save our oil. Oil is a non renewable resource which means when its gone its gone.
4. Its all about the benjamins. Halliburton, exxon/mobile. Exxon alone made 41 billion dollars in profit in the last 12 months and they are still closing down 800 gas stations because it isnt feasible to keep them open.
5.When we do open our reserves, it isnt gonna be 1.50 a gallon. We will never see 1.50 gallon gas again because people pay for 3.00 gas and even 4.00 gas. The people that own these companys know that now. So therefore there not gonna pass up 5 bllion dollars for 1 billion dollars per say.
6. Iraq isnt about oil, its about us exerting our will in that part of the world for when these times come. In the real true name of war if we wanted to we could end everything over there, right now, without nucklear weapons. The reason i know this is because i know the history of world war 2. When war really mattered. Now it doesnt. Now its just a game Skulls and bones wishes to play to "tweak" the worlds econimy and enviroments to its will.
7. Lil bush's cabinet is gonna attack Iran before he leaves office. To further exert our authority. Its not another Vietnam, its another world war 3. And whats its all about isn't oil. Its about money. And the biggest money producer is oil. We are just to blind and to quiet to say anything about it.

Finally 8. Its gonna happen, its fact and there isnt anyway anybody can stop it. We are just not A conserned people. We dont care because what happens in another country doest effect us. Think again, and watch what happens. Alot of bull will happen very soon. Even worse than the invasion of Iraq. I personally believe the next president and we all know who that will be.....( OBAMA< OBAMA<OBAMA! ) Has good intentions, and seperates him self from the policys of skulls and bones.

The events of the past 8 years should help you understand the power is out of the peoples hand. We have no power. Think of it like this. We are all cattle that make the farmers rich.
We are the food for the vampires. The people have no power.

And if anybody knows it we solved the oil problem back in the 60's and 70's. Solar power, hydrogen cells, and the car, if you ever heard about it......That runs on alchohol. take some gas and some isoprophyl alcohol and lite them on fire at the same time and see which is more combustible. and leaves less corbon emmisions behind.

\World war 4 will be about drilling in the Polar oceans after they melt, Mainly a russian american war over the northwest passage. WW3 is already in the works, mainly over Dollars.

No, the United States is not a member of OPEC and never has been.
http://www.opec.org/library/FAQs/aboutOPEC/q3.htm

Country Joined OPEC Location
Algeria 1969 Africa
Angola 2007 Africa
Ecuador(**) rejoined 2007 South America
Indonesia 1962 Asia
IR Iran* 1960 Middle East
Iraq* 1960 Middle East
Kuwait* 1960 Middle East
SP Libyan AJ 1962 Africa
Nigeria 1971 Africa
Qatar 1961 Middle East
Saudi Arabia* 1960 Middle East
United Arab Emirates 1967 Middle East
Venezuela* 1960 South America

*founder Members
** Ecuador joined OPEC in 1973, suspended its membership from Dec. 1992-Oct. 2007


While the U.S. may have a lot of it’s own oil, it is more expensive to refine & yes I’m sure there are national security reasons for not doing so also.

I’m preparing a summary of the Lindsey Williams video, will post or edit this later.
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My summary of Lindsey Williams’s video, this is not my opinion just what I heard him say (it’s sporadic I’m sorry can’t write very fast).
He served as Chaplain, on the northern sector of the Trans-Alaska Oil Pipeline for many years.
What we pay at the gas pump is a form of taxation to “them”.
In 1960-1970 Henry Kissinger struck a deal with most of the Arab countries to buy there oil and the following.
1. Denominate the oil prices in U.S. dollars
2. Take some of that money and buy our national debt.

Two counties didn’t sign; Iraq and Iran.
He says that that’s why Bush Sr. went after Saddam Hussein.

He was in a meeting with 8 other men & they were excited about finding a new oil patch at Gull Island in Alaska, the biggest in North America, possibly ever & the America will be energy independent. The next day he was told not to talk about it & that it has just been classified & there will be no oil released there any time soon.
“The standard currency of the world is oil”
Lindsey says “they” had a 30 year plan and it seems to be going just the way “they” planned it.

Ken From in Houston with Atlantic Richfield called him one day touting that crude oil is going to $10 a barrel.
Now we know it has gone up to that.

The 3 largest oilfields are:
1. Saudi Arabia
2. Iraq
3. Iran

It cost $5 a barrel to get oil out of the ground in Saudi Arabia.
It cost $3 a barrel to get oil out of the ground in Alaska.

Who gets the money?
1. The country it came from
2. A middleman “them” & they set the price (& have control)
3. Oil company like Exxon or Shell.
4. The local gas station

Lindsey William says that “them” is the IMF & The World Bank (they have all the power).

He says that Iran has threatened to flood the market with cheap oil & denominate with Eros & this would cripple America.
He also says that if we opened up the Alaska oil the Arab countries would not have to buy down our debt & the U.S. would go bankrupt.

He later mentions another author named John Perkins who has similar views.

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Lindsey blames the high oil prices & some other things on the IMF & IBRD (International Bank for Reconstruction & Development) commonly known as the World Bank.
I did some investigation & found that The United States has a large voice on INF, 16.77 vote.
http://www.imf.org/external/np/sec/memdir/members.htm
U.S.’s IMF governor is Henry M. Paulson, Jr. and the alternate is Ben S. Bernanke.
Henry M. Paulson, Jr is also the Secretary of the Treasury
http://www.whitehouse.gov/government/paulson-bio.html
Bernanke is also a Federal Reserve chairman
http://www.federalreserve.gov/aboutthefed/...rd/bernanke.htm

It isnt national security interests. It all about the simple fact that the middle eastern oil supply will run out within this century. Why we dont refine our own oil is simple. To many products come from crude oil and if we were to refine oil now and put it in barrels two things would happen. The first is obvious. Aged gas sucks. 2. People would want it if they knew about it.

When the Artic ice cap melts there will be a whole new place to drill for oil. There will be a whole new way of sending stuff to china that cuts out roughly 8,000 iles of travel. What the issue is is the northwest passage. Anybody young enough to remeber what i said about this in 2030 ( if we are all still around ) thats the next big dispute.

And as smart as america is, do you really think we are gonna let another part of the world become as strong or stronger than we are? The key to that is controling the money in the long run.

I notice nobody wants to fess up to what is happening even here on a gaming site because you dont believe it. Watch the news. Read a news paper. The media is telling you what is going on, you just have to read between the lines. I do that with a conservitive point of view. I could sound even more psychotic if i went off about it. But i havent yet. The internet isnt the smartest place to do spmething like that.

Anybody ever watch the movie loose change? How about the 950 billion dollars in saudi gold boulion in the basment during the attacks?

We all know lil bush's cabinet has decived America, And took advantage of the people, We let it happen. Are we going to fix it? I highly doubt it. Our people have grown to content with "it just the way things are".

And to talk about envirpmental issues to alaska if we drill. When the time comes alaska wont matter. Thats the name of the game kiddies. Thats the harsh reality of our world. Tie yourself to a tree and they'll just burn the tree down.....with you. Those "enviromentalist groups" are as powerless as we the people are because they have no warfare and have smudged there image by doing stupid things.

I am a patriot, dont get me wrong, but the harsh reality of the world is america put all its power into a few corporations. I am a patriot of what america was ment to be. Not this. No not this.

My previous post was not my opinion, here is my opinion.
I have little doubt that politicians are influenced by big corporations & not just oil companies.
These companies can afford to have paid lobbyist in Washington D.C. contacting the politicians and in there face constantly. It is only human nature to bend under that kind of pressure most would.
Nothing would please me more than to outlaw corporate lobbyist, I think it dirties the system.

The only other bigger influence is the voters, money talks but politicians live or die by the vote and believe me they pay attention to the election results. They have the demographics of all there supporters (I know someone who handles this kind of information) and what the hot topics are.

I have seen grass root causes make a difference, why? Because they shake up the political balancing act of Republicans vs. Democrats, one side will act thinking that it will tip the scales in their favor & this is really what’s great about America.

We should try to stop burning gasoline for our vehicles as soon as possible.
The oil industry is finally shooting themselves in the foot, for years maybe even decades the automotive industry has not pursued gasoline alternatives (which many have been around for a long time) because they were in league with oil companies and it was not cost effective.
Now the big 3 are hurting especially Ford and they have to do something to sell cars, so if the public wants gas alternatives they are now willing to provide them. This is a line they’ve broken & I think it’s a point of no return now. This part of my opinion is contrary to Lindsey William I know but is what I think and hope.

For the time being though (I heard about this plan & it seems to be the best) we should not buy gas from the biggest oil company, Exxon Mobil.
The thought being is that if Exxon Mobil’s sales go down they will be forced to lower their prices & the smaller companies will follow along (price war).

I think..but may be wrong that I just read something about Exxon not producing gas in the US anymore soon as they were...<cough> losing money.

Don't know where you read that, Exxon has been making record profits, while this month they are starting to lower off.
Maybe we will have some relief.

Earnings Releases for XOM
Date Actual Expected Prev Yr Qtr
05/01/2008 2.03 2.14 1.62
02/01/2008 2.13 1.95 1.69
11/01/2007 1.70 1.75 1.77
07/26/2007 1.83 1.96 1.72
Link: http://www.investorguide.com/stock.cgi?ticker=xom

This is actually what I read about:

http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/06/13/exxon-pulls-out/

it isn't the gas making but retail. sorry about that, but still......

This is saying that Exxon is starting to get out of the gas station business, not oil business.
They are currently a driller & refiner of oil, they also distibute oil, gasoline & diesel.
Granted Exxon does not make a lot with service stations but this shows us just how confident they are about there sales positions.
Becuase they are willing to let go of control by selling corporate gas stations like others have done.

I liked this part from your link.
"This year, Exxon reported record profits of $40 billion in 2007, up 3% from their (also record-breaking) 2006 profits. Oil companies composed three of the top five Fortune 500 companies in 2006, with ExxonMobil, Chevron, and ConocoPhillips placing second, fourth, and fifth respectively."

Think about it. If you start a gas price war, gas will just sky rocket even more. Those people know what they are doing, they control the flow of gas.

I agree with the point about VOTES. If you are old enough to vote and are able too then do it. If you dont vote, dont complain when everything comes crashing down.
I hope after Obama gets into office stuff changes. As a matter of fact it will change. Great and good change. Maybe it will be like the late 90's again. I believe we a re falling unco ntolably into the worst world wide depression in history, even out doing the one that led up to world war 2. All somebody needs to do is set off a nuclear bomb and its over with. And that sounds like it could happen pretty damn easy in todays world.

In an alternitive perspective if america is going to invaded a country and occupy it. then we should just annex the f-er and be done with it. Impose our will with a strong military campaign. Kill or be killed and screw the geneva convention, and screw the rules of war. Kill em all. Otherwise we have no reason to send our young ones over to die for a cause that isnt clearly defined.

I dont belive in an "end time" or "apocolypse" but i do belive in the world going to hell in a hand basket and thats the course we are on. Drilling for oil in alaska isnt the answer. The answer is give every single human a computer, accsess to the internet, and start them gaming. The answer to world peace......right there. Let em fight it out PVP style. Seriously.

DRILL!!! Us, as in humans, have killed off millions of animals and these ecoists are telling me we cant drill due to POSSIBLE extinctions. We hunt, slaughter and kill hundreds of thousands of animals a day and an extra ten thousand at best more animals a day is a problem?! Thats like running a massive crime organization and saying that shoplifting is unnacceptable!!!

but what do i know? im just a small little school kid who wastes his day on the computer playing videogames

Drilling is not the answer, and anyone who thinks it is, is clearly uneducated on the subject. Drilling in Alaska and offshore WILL NOT lower the price of gas for any of you. Mark my words. Ignore them at your peril.

It's only a pipedream to fill your head with unfounded hope so they can get your vote, and then you'll see again, how wrong you all were.

I've been following politics for a long time, longer than most of you have been alive. I predicted the invasion of Iraq, before Bush ever entered the white house. Everything I told my friends, family, and anyone who would listen before November of 1999 about what would happen if Bush won the election (which he did not) happened just as I predicted. I have many witnesses, who regret not listening, now.

I've been in the oil and gas business for 26 years. Taking into account inflation and the devaluated US dollar, a gallon of gas is no more expensive now than it was back ing the 1970s. The best way to gauge the value of a gallon of refined gasoline is to compare its' price to that of a loaf of bread or a gallon of milk. They should all ball-park in the same price range. Americans got used to cheap gas and now they are squawking since the market has balanced.

A common myth is that 'Big Oil Companies' control the price of gas and the flow of crude to consumers. This is false. Prospectors in New York control the price of a barrel of sweet crude (all oil is judged on its' SO2 content) and trade the futures like baseball cards. The US Government controls how much crude may be produced. One field may be able to produce 20K barrels a day, but is only allowed to pump 2k. Every developed field in the US has had a U.S. Geological Survey done on it at one time. They know how much oil is in the ground (roughly) and will cap the production.

I heard on the news recently that Obama has a plan to drill for natural gas in Alaska and NOT increase crude production. Either he's an idiot or he thinks the voters are idiots. He doesn't know (or has ommitted the fact) that natural gas and crude are in the SAME formations. There are two types of drive in a formation, underground salt water (the ocean seeping through the earth's crust) or NATURAL GAS. Those oil fields in Alaska? Gas driven. If those fields are tapped the oil is comming whether it's wanted or not.

The price of a barrel of crude will never go back down to the pre-2002 $50.00 US range. India and China have industrialized and that syphons off crude and increases demand. It doesn't matter who gets into the White House, the price of a gallon of unleaded will NOT go down. That's just how it is.

Drilling in Alaska is fine. The US Government never declared the land over those fields a designated wilderness area. Every President since Eisenhower has had the chance to do so and they've all passed on it. It's open for development. Out of about 10 million acres maybe 700 will have a footprint on them from the fields' development.

Read this.

Yes...So true.


Agreed. Bush's own energy expert admitted that off-shore drilling wouldn't effect prices until about 2023. If we stop wasting money in other areas and invest that in alternative energies, we might be close to being completely indepedent of oil by that time. Of course, people are too lazy to try to conserve and just expect the government to do everything.

Actually, I'm going to have to disagree with you on that. I've grown up around oil fields (and some coal mines too actually), and several have gone in on family land ( I used to play around them as a little kid ). In theory that can restore anything, but even when they do follow through on all the work their supposed to, its never quite the same. With regard to oil wells, for example, its incredibly difficult (and expensive) to completely get rid of the liners they put around the wells. There's also the infrastructure that needs to be put in (think roads, pipelines, etc) which requires dragging a load of different things to build and can get ignore in reclamation.
Additionally, any working on land messes around with the root systems and composting that's been going on in for hundreds of years. They try to avoid this by placing sod/etc, but 99% of the time, the stuff they use is different than the stuff their prior to drilling. This tweaks the plant composition, which affects bugs and birds, and so on down in a chain reaction.


And then there's the issue of actually getting the companies to follow through on their contracts . . .

Don't get me wrong, I have no problem to drilling in general, but I've seen enough of it to be worried about the ANWR if they do get in.

Edit to Clarify: I'm not just talking about personal experience with older wells, there's an oil boom going on at home right now.

All forms of energy should be treated as national security issues. Whomsoever controls the energy we consume, owns the world.



Which is exactly why this poo should've been going on since the 60s. We had the technology for the longest of time to harness nuclear energy, and look at France - they're actually doing something right for once! (That's coming from someone normally hateful of the French.)



This is true.



Whoever controls the mass source of energy, is controlling the world's life source. That, is the logic in war for oil.



Indeed, FDR (foolishly and treasonously) cut off the Japanese's oil-supply, so they attacked Pearl Harbor. Which got us involved.



That is absolutely wrong. Sooner or later, oil will run out if WE DO NOT ACT NOW! It shouldn't matter what we did or didn't do in the past, we need to overhaul our energy sources before it IS too late. We start now, and we can get ourselves out of this problem in the years to come. There aren't going to be any immediate effects, but it will save our future as not only individuals but our nation as a superpower.

It is going to end, sooner or later. And when it happens whoever is in control will dictate the future of the world.



I agree we need to drill. But we need to find a way to drill but make it so it sunsets in appropriate timing while funding alternate energy research, namely wind and nuclear energy.



This is true.



Disturbing, but it is a fact America is essentially being held hostage.




You may be Turkish, but I would wonder if you even know about economics. Prices of oil were fluctuating up to $100 as a result of supply and demand. But even most economists agreed that the oil market has been behaving unnaturally, they believed that after it hit $100 it was the fault of speculators. It is about 50/50 though: China has increased the demand-side of oil without any increase in supply for the past 35+ years, and it is likely a result of that which speculators really started to get started in the oil market.



Well you're wrong about it not being a national security interest, although the latter half you're right about. For now, the OPEC world has our throat held by their hands. They could just refuse to sell any oil to the U.S. and still make plenty of profits, and our military would fall like a fly. But if we can start on transferring to renewable energy sources, overtime we will become even more efficient.



We have been letting other countries own us ever since late 1890s. When we switched from a gold standard to a paper standard, and when we went through a cold war with Russia, instead of a real war...



This is true.

Hopefully we'll be able to drill for oil - if the right people occupy the White House come January.

But I've heard there's another piece of the puzzle. I don't know if there's any truth to this, but I have heard it said that there are many oil wells throughout Texas and Oklahoma that still have huge amounts of crude oil, yet were capped years ago because (at the time) the profit margin leaned more toward importing crude rather than pumping it domestically.

If this is true, then why not uncap these already existing wells and start pumping again? Adding those to the new drilling would really lower the price of a barrel of crude.

I do not know about those wells, but it is perfectly possible they do exist. The question would be the numbers that exist, and whether they were capped after productivity had declined, or simply to limit production.

Personally, although I do not mind drilling, I fear that the price of oil will drop too far, too fast, and people will forget the need to work on alternatives and to limit consumption.

The reason the cost of gasoline is so high is because the prices are being manipulated by speculators and refineries. So we get it at both ends. Today, oil refineries in the US announced that they are only going to be operating @ 77% of capacity, this results in the lowest fuel supply since the 90s. And, no refinery in the US has been operating at 100% capacity for quite some time. Though the exact figures escape me at the moment.

On the other side, market speculators dumped billions into oil futures resulting in the massive spike in crude prices the first half of this year. It only started to drop again after they pulled $33 billion from the market. And I firmly believe this only happened because of the airline industry putting pressure on congress to change the laws.

There is no shortage, anywhere. The market and the supply are being manipulated causing oil and fuel prices to remain excessively high. Oil closed at $97.16 a barrel today and a false shortage from the oil refineries is keeping the fuel prices above $4.00/gallon.

Drilling for oil in Alaska isn't going to have any effect on the market until we regulate (read eliminate) energy speculation and modify how refineries operate.

-T-

Edited- Repeating myself and spelling.

Here's another snippet of news to infuriate us all about the state of the high gasoline prices. Cited from this article.

"Refineries operated at the lowest level on record in the week ended Sept. 19, according to EIA. Refineries turn crude oil into usable products, such as gasoline and heating oil. Refineries only operated at 66.7% of their operable capacity last week, which was even less than the 73.9% run-rate that analysts had forecast. "

Hopefully, their forceful manipulation won't come to fruition as demand dropped over the weekend.

On a side note, Congress has passed legislation that would at least curb energy speculation, hopefully it gets through the Senate and the President.

-T-

For a capitalist country some of you guys seems fairly ignorant of how world markets work. Instead of going on rant to explain I'll post a link or two I think all you "drill baby drill" types should read.
http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2008/06/18/...much-from-anwr/
http://www.time.com/time/business/article/...1815884,00.html

Cheers.

Like I am going to have to agree with CuCullain on this one...mates
For similar reasons I am sure..la

Cheers