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gman021
I am just curious as to what the users of this site believe about the nude human figure.

This poll is merely a discussion about people's different views, and has nothing to do with any "un-necessary sexual content." So please, do not report this.

Okay, I'll go first:

I do not believe that the human body is "dirty," although in our modern society it is mostly acossiated (I hate spelling that word pinch.gif ) with sexual activities.

"If you let parts of the body be free, then they will quickly be viewed as normal. If they are covered up, they will quickly be viewed as shameful."


Well, what do you think?
gman021
Oops! I forgot to vote before!

Done now...




Edit:Just for the record, this is NOT (meant to be) a bump. no.gif
Lisnpuppy
Ok..

I do not find anything at all in the nude form. We were born naked and clothes are many things to people but not ALWAYS a necessity.
I believe that humans are social and sexual beings. I don't have an issue there either.

When something is viewed as taboo it takes upon itself a complete other life. And in my opinion it is only when something is forbidden that it can truly be objectified.

That all being said..there are just SOME people that I would rather burn my eyes out of their sockets before I see naked. smile.gif
On some days this could include myself.

I also do not have issues with men being seen naked, but to be honest I find a well dressed man much more sexy.
nosisab
I can't vote at this poll as no response is satisfactory to me. I could vote the second option to the first part as I think we mustn't be ashamed of what we are. And more, it isn't in the nudity itself the provocation and sex appeal. Suggestions plays a much greater role at this. More yet, isn't even in the games of love we must be ashamed. If we must be ashamed is in the vulgarity and hypocrisy, and in no little extent at our own shame.

I'm not advocating the scandal, I'm loathing we even are scandalized for such things, but we created and maintain social behaviors and so we attain to with or be pariah.

But I think too, once covering the body was a protection issue, soon it turned to be a social mark. Object of vanity, object of ostentation, subject of class at such level than, no seldom, one is judged by how he dresses above what he is, a little less above whom he is too. Dressing isn't the only, but one of the things that allowed mankind be what it is, for the good and evil.

For the second part of the poll, no answer possible to me. For there is no way to put such things at entertainment, as explicit thing, that not to invoke the morbid voyeurism and a vulgarity no sane mind would repeat more than few times before becoming disgusted. Again, against the subtleties of the games of love I have no possible judgment other that over specific cases too.

Our body is not a thing we should shun, sex is not a thing we should be ashamed by itself. As like any other thing is by HOW we do it that we could be blamed.
Vagrant0
The human body is a disgusting thing, and should never be seen by anyone. I'm all for perminant clothing to be surgically attached to people, and using the bathroom in the dark, wearing thick mittens (and hoping for the best).

Alright, seriously though, it depends on the person and the situation. Generally, people should not have their torso (between where their body meets their legs, and where their neck meets their body) and upper legs (above the midpoint of the thigh) exposed in public. It is just an area of the body which nobody needs to see at work, school, or on the street. You can show a little more if you're between the ages of 17 and 34, and are in good physical condition, but not so much as to spoil the imagination.

Afterall, what's the fun of seeing someone naked for the first time behind closed doors if you, and everyone else can see everything when they are walking around on the street.

It's not an issue of morality, but one of productivity. You can't exactly work too well when you have your bits and pieces being thrown about. Try tunning nude sometime when it isn't cold... It's fun at first, but starts to be unconfortable after awhile... And forget doing any digging, or factory work... Even sitting has its hazards for some of us.
macmert
Well I am absolutely not against nudity, but that doesnt mean that we should all throw away our garments and walk naked on the streets or something, this is particularly interesting topic since I am muslim and as you all know in muslim belief the women should cover themselves (But that is not what is said in Kuran believe me) and I am not a pious person, I believe that if someone would like to reveal parts of their bodies for aesthetic reasons that is fine with me, as long as they are not fat lol...

And I want to state that I am against nudity in art... like in photo shots and paintings... When I saw shots like this kinda makes me think the artist couldnt do anything better and used nudity for popularity or something...

Oh and I just hate to see women shaking and whatever it is they do in video clips, especially rap videos, that makes me belive that their art can not and will not sell without the women in the clips...
gman021
Very interesting answers here... nosisab, out of a lot if answers I've seen on this site, yours always seem to make the most sense. yes.gif

@macmert: I know what you mean about the nude photos. Some artists just do it for the sake of having nudity. But then there is also REAL art. Not the kind that put the models in sensual poses, but rather the ones that lets the "viewer" feel emotions, and not because of sexual arousal.

@Lisnpuppy: I know what you mean! wink.gif Just switch "well dressed man" to "well dressed woman."

@Vagrant0: I'm sorry that you feel that way towards the human body. But, your opinion is your opinion, and I respect that. sleep.gif

But, you have to think about the people that are nude, not for sexual purposes. I am talking about nudists.

Now, I don't necessarily agree with you on the "fact" that if you're "between 17 and 34, you can show off a bit more of your body, when you are 'better looking.'"

On nude beaches (real ones; not ones for voyeur or pornography purposes), there are people of all different ages, races, body types, etc. I think that everyone expects the majority of a nude beach to be "hot, young, horny women," which I find really degrading. In fact the majority of nude beaches are older couples.

I guess what you say about certain body parts being taboo is true, but that goes back to what I said in the first post: "If you live in a society where you cover certain parts, then those parts will be considered 'unclean.'"


OT: Does anyone know how to move a topic? Now that I think about it, this should probably go in the "Debates" section of the site... unsure.gif


Cheers,
gman021
evilkoal
i believe that anyone that wishes to be naked, should be allowed to be naked. i personally hate clothing, and think it is a waste of my precious money.

the fact that some jerkoff was ashamed of his/her body, and started making other people cover up because they couldnt be naked themselves pisses me off. the greeks used to practice for the olympics naked wink.gif lol
Vagrant0
QUOTE(gman021 @ May 29 2008, 07:27 AM) *
In fact the majority of nude beaches are older couples.

Well aware... and part of the reason why I have the opinion that I have. Nudist colonies tend to be at two extremes, either into the sort of hippie vibe, which was never practical or down to earth to begin with, or they act as a cover for some rather disturbing views. Sorry to be a stickler, but children shouldn't run around naked, in any setting, period. It is just not a good idea given the number of sickos out there. Some of them are even parents themselves. I'm not suggesting that they're all like that, but any group that acts as a sort of haven for those kinds of people can't be good for the rest of society, or atleast those who are involved within that commune. Look at the mess which is happening in Texas.

Sorry, but I get my sense of freedom and liberation as god intended, drinking heavily (and then running around naked).
moszibby
QUOTE(Vagrant0 @ May 29 2008, 12:18 AM) *
The human body is a disgusting thing, and should never be seen by anyone. I'm all for perminant clothing to be surgically attached to people, and using the bathroom in the dark, wearing thick mittens (and hoping for the best).


That was great. Could almost hear you using a nasally voice and having your head tilted back a bit, looking down your nose when you said it. Thanks for the laugh.

Don't know if I've mentioned it in the forums or not, but once, when asked about the difference between "nude" and "naked", my reply was, "nude is for art, naked is for sex".
Just make sure thick mittens are worn.....
Sharkull
The human body is natural and beautiful (...well, maybe not all are beautiful... tongue.gif ). It is also a fact that certain body parts are sexual, and viewing them can bring sex to mind. There is nothing wrong with that. There is nothing shameful in that. Without the human sex drive, we would have withered into extinction a long time ago. Sex is natural.

With that being said, most social situations pretty much necessitate a certain amount of decorum. Nudity and provocative clothing is not appropriate in certain situations... where exposure can be distracting (eg. businesses, markets, family entertainment venues...). I'm not saying that adults should not feel free to expose themselves ever... just not when it is inappropriate. Each culture / society must be able to set these standards of what is appropriate, with anyone who objects being free to find somewhere else to live... somewhere that shares their standards.

[aside]
Sex sells, we all know that. I for one am sick and tired with seeing overly sexualized / exploitive images everywhere (music videos, marketing material of every sort...). Where did creative thoughtful marketing go? Where did the quality music (not needing a sexed-up image) go? That needs to stop IMHO. Sex is being marginalized, becoming a commodity for sale. It should be a deeply personal and meaningful experience... not cheap and disposable.
*sigh*
[/aside]
gman021
QUOTE(Sharkull @ May 29 2008, 11:02 PM) *
The human body is natural and beautiful (...well, maybe not all are beautiful... tongue.gif ). It is also a fact that certain body parts are sexual, and viewing them can bring sex to mind. There is nothing wrong with that. There is nothing shameful in that. Without the human sex drive, we would have withered into extinction a long time ago. Sex is natural.

With that being said, most social situations pretty much necessitate a certain amount of decorum. Nudity and provocative clothing is not appropriate in certain situations... where exposure can be distracting (eg. businesses, markets, family entertainment venues...). I'm not saying that adults should not feel free to expose themselves ever... just not when it is inappropriate. Each culture / society must be able to set these standards of what is appropriate, with anyone who objects being free to find somewhere else to live... somewhere that shares their standards.

[aside]
Sex sells, we all know that. I for one am sick and tired with seeing overly sexualized / exploitive images everywhere (music videos, marketing material of every sort...). Where did creative thoughtful marketing go? Where did the quality music (not needing a sexed-up image) go? That needs to stop IMHO. Sex is being marginalized, becoming a commodity for sale. It should be a deeply personal and meaningful experience... not cheap and disposable.
*sigh*
[/aside]


Wow. huh.gif

You just summed up my ideas. mellow.gif

I'll have to agree with you on the fact that skimpy clothing is unnescessary, and (to me at least) a little bit of clothing can be more sensual than none at all.

I mean seriously, think about it: I don't know of anyone (myself included) who can become aroused by seeing a naked (nude) body without some fantasizing, or if that person is in a suggestive position.
Carah
I love nude, and I love naked even more. You don't have to have a perfact body just a healthy one. If it's just the hubby and myself home, we love hanging around naked, and it's a waste of time if he has clothes on, because I'll rip them off him. wink.gif
stephanie
I didn't read all the posts in the topic, but let me give a female point of view.

I agree that nudity is natural and in the right setting, I see nothing wrong with it at all. In other settings (and when children are present) I think people should cover up.

I'm a 'country' girl. I live and work on a farm. I see things that most folks never see, and do things that most folks never do. Some of those are being able to swim in my pond with no clothes, sunbathe nude and not need to worry about people seeing me. To me, nudity is as natural as the sun coming up in the morning. Actually, my mom always had trouble keeping clothes on me, so I have been nude for most of my life.

In my part of the world tho, most folks frown on nudity, skimpy clothes, and public display of 'cetain body parts', so I do what all Southern Redneck girls do .. I'm always a lady in public. I might wear as little as I can get away with on a hot summer day, but in private .. well .. that's a whole different topic! Lol.

fyi: in the south being nude is for swimming and sunbathing and maybe art, and being 'nekkid' is strictly for sex. All the good ole boys know the difference. (and they know how to act appropriately)

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Lisnpuppy
Being a country girl myself I also know the difference between naked and nekked.

And nekked is WAY more fun!
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doomjockey
Well, the poll options seem a bit extreme. I don't believe in a shameful nude body, but I'm far from exhibitionist. There will be no celebrating when clothes come off except perhaps internally, after a good date. Otherwise, nudity has its time and place like work and play. Also, I sometimes find it hard to believe anyone still adheres to antiquated, Victorian-esque rules of engagement when you can type "potato" into Google and get a picture of bare boob.
Chesto
...google ' potato ' ... not the Dan Quayle spelling, I take it.

The whole concept of ' nudity ' is a cultural one. In so-called primitive societies nude is usually the default position, except for those articles of outer wear that are needed for protection. Never go running through the thorn bushes without a good penis gourd, I always say.

We learn all of our social aversions through cultural conditioning. What ever the culture. Nudity just happens to be one of the public aversions that we in the west have been conditioned to. It could just as easily have been a conditioned aversion to the public consumption of cheese, and with as much logic.

Oddly enough, all of the 'naughty' videos, etc., spoken of earlier, are probably having a desensitizing effect on all of us. Nudity aint such a big deal, now , as it used to be when I were nobbut a lad. And amen to that. Though it would still be a healthy thing if the whole nudity issue was detached from constant sexuality. All of our bits have multifunctions, afterall. Not just sexual ones. The so-called primitives aint quite so primitive, in that respect, when compared with our culture.
stephanie
QUOTE
All of our bits have multifunctions, afterall.


Not quite true for us females .. my 'bits' are used for making babies (or practicing to make babies). Unlike a male, I have a separate place to pee from. But we females don't need a 'penis guard', so I can run thru the brambles 'nekkid' and just get thorns in my b*** ..

edit:
OMG! did you read that? What am I saying?
Is it really true that a girl can run faster with her skirt pulled up than a guy can run with his pants down?
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gman021
QUOTE(stephanie @ May 30 2008, 12:45 PM) *
QUOTE
All of our bits have multifunctions, afterall.


Not quite true for us females .. my 'bits' are used for making babies (or practicing to make babies). Unlike a male, I have a separate place to pee from. But we females don't need a 'penis guard', so I can run thru the brambles 'nekkid' and just get thorns in my b*** ..

edit:
OMG! did you read that? What am I saying?
Is it really true that a girl can run faster with her skirt pulled up than a guy can run with his pants down?
wallbash.gif



Thanks for that little anatomy lesson Steph... a little bit too much information...

Well, it IS pretty hard for ANYONE to run with their pants down around their ankles... wink.gif

I know what you mean by when "you're on your own." It seems to me that A LOT of things are "better" naked... especially sleeping on a hot and humid night. yes.gif

QUOTE
Well, the poll options seem a bit extreme. I don't believe in a shameful nude body, but I'm far from exhibitionist.


Yeah, sorry about that. It's just that I was pretty tired when I wrote this, and I was using my iTouch...
buddah
Moved by request of OP.

Buddah
Marcus Wolfe
Ah, the eternal debate.

One part of me's all "Yeah, NAKED CHICKS!"

Another part of me's all "Ew, no, naked guys!'

And still a third part of me says "Dude, where would you hide your boner?"


I found this site today, and I believe it will take this debate to a whole new level.

EDIT by LHammonds - I removed the link. Let's not cross the line anymore OK?
moszibby
QUOTE(Marcus Wolfe @ May 30 2008, 05:15 PM) *
Ah, the eternal debate.
One part of me's all "Yeah, NAKED CHICKS!"
Another part of me's all "Ew, no, naked guys!'
And still a third part of me says "Dude, where would you hide your boner?"


I found this site today, and I believe it will take this debate to a whole new level.


*Found that site today* whistling.gif ....yeah...right....
gman021
QUOTE(Marcus Wolfe @ May 30 2008, 06:15 PM) *
Ah, the eternal debate.

One part of me's all "Yeah, NAKED CHICKS!"

Another part of me's all "Ew, no, naked guys!'

And still a third part of me says "Dude, where would you hide your boner?"


I found this site today, and I believe it will take this debate to a whole new level.


Marcus, while this site is somewhat artsy, it is also quite pornographic.

It is also ONLY women. I'm talking about both sexes here. yes.gif


Thanks for the input, though! biggrin.gif
Marcus Wolfe
Interesting thing is how I found this site. I was googling images for random words to see what images would come up (I found it under the word 'extra')
Carah
QUOTE(Marcus Wolfe @ May 30 2008, 07:15 PM) *
Ah, the eternal debate.

One part of me's all "Yeah, NAKED CHICKS!"

Another part of me's all "Ew, no, naked guys!'

And still a third part of me says "Dude, where would you hide your boner?"


I found this site today, and I believe it will take this debate to a whole new level.




If your into hardcore porn, I guess that's a site for you, but there are some very ugly Va'jay jay's on that site.
gman021
QUOTE(Carah @ May 31 2008, 02:08 PM) *
If your into hardcore porn, I guess that's a site for you, but there are some very ugly Va'jay jay's on that site.


Wow, um, hmmm... thanks for that Carah... blink.gif
Marcus Wolfe
I'm telling you, it's more than just porn! If I wanted porn, I'd just go to youporn.com!
Vagrant0
QUOTE(Marcus Wolfe @ May 30 2008, 11:15 PM) *
Ah, the eternal debate.

One part of me's all "Yeah, NAKED CHICKS!"

Another part of me's all "Ew, no, naked guys!'

And still a third part of me says "Dude, where would you hide your boner?"


I found this site today, and I believe it will take this debate to a whole new level.

Reminds me of Lenard Nimoy's (Spock... I'm too lazy to look up the correct spelling of his name) book featuring nude middleaged, overweight (almost morbidly obese) women (was featured on the news or something... Ok... Stop looking at me like that).

I'm just left asking why? Overweight people should be ashamed of their bodies. There are too many people living disgusting, unhealthy lifestyles with some derranged idea that big is beautiful. I'm not saying that the emaciated models you see in ads are any better, but surely we should be spending more time encouraging some happy medium than trying to just make people feel better about themselves.

For the record, not happy with myself, not even close, but that is why I am constantly looking for ways to improve. It's either that, or just spend my time being miserable or deluding myself further.

As for porn, it's a totally seperate thing from nudity or sex. Just about anything (yes, anything) could be considdered some form of pornography (Autotrader anyone). And as the focus of pornographic media seems to get more and more bizzare, nudity really ends up taking a back seat to whatever else people happen to be into. Take a look at hard-core Asian porn sometime, that'll make you really reconsidder things (namely your outlook on people (it's mostly that thought "people get off on this?!")). So yeah... Porn is a seperate issue, and really only features nudity as it is in relation to sex (if that happens to be your thing (as it is with most of western society)).
Carah
Everyone definitely has issues with their body at one point or another. As you get older you learn to accept what you have, nude or not. When I was in my teens and twenties I struggled with eating disorders, because I wasn't happy with the way I looked, especially naked. Now I love how I look, even after having a kid, with my battle scares and baby belly. I love my boobs, and bum. biggrin.gif
gman021
You know Vagrant0, I find it pretty immature that you just said, "Overweight people should ne ashamed..."

I assume that they are, and they eat because they're sad. Just like Carah said. Sometimes it is because there are other issues in life. yes.gif


Man, I'm really glad that I asked for this to be moved to the "Debates" section...
Sharkull
More evidence that we are living in an age of image over substance (very sad). The emphasis should be on healthy bodies, not superficial issues like looking fat or looking thin.
Lisnpuppy
I agree with the healthy thing. I am overweight. I know I could "look" better, though I am lucky that my husband (who whould love me no matter) has a thing for girls with meat on their bones. However that being said...due to health issues and an honest inability to change eating habits (I am diabetic and it is HARD) I worry more about getting healthy and on the right track.

IF losing weight (which will probably happen) is a side effect of this and getting control of my blood sugar then yahoo! But I really try not to feel ashamed of how I look. Gosh knows I have enough else to worry about. And I have seen a great many healhty, attractive people that are miserable or hateful people. If a person is good, funny and cares enough about their appearance to be clean then I will love them for it.

I look at myself in the mirror--strech marks from a HUGE baby (10 1/2 pounds) chubbiness, gravity taking over my chest-and I am sometimes saddened by the loss of the HOT BOD I may have possessed and 25. But I know when the people who love me look at me they dont see me anything other than beautiful.

Shame on you Vagrant for saying what you did. I strongly disagree!
Vagrant0
QUOTE(gman021 @ Jun 1 2008, 07:25 PM) *
You know Vagrant0, I find it pretty immature that you just said, "Overweight people should be ashamed..."

I assume that they are, and they eat because they're sad. Just like Carah said. Sometimes it is because there are other issues in life. yes.gif

Then shouldn't they be seeking less destructive ways to "feel" better? I could spend most the day drunk off my ass, not giving a damn about anything... But all I'll get from that is a failure of a life, a loss of anything good that people might see in me, and a pickled liver. A similar comparison could be made with any drug that is used to "feel" better. Why should eating habits be any different? Excess is excess, bad decisions are bad decisions. If people don't feel obligated to re-evaluate their decisions or their lifestyle, they aren't likely to make any changes.

And you may be reading too much into things. I'm not attacking people who have medical conditions, or a genetic disposition to being overweight, and are actually making some effort to understand what they are putting into their bodies. I'm attacking the notion that overweight people should be encouraged in behavior which is unhealthy, for anyone, and more over, celebrating the cost of such a lifestyle. Maybe I just happen to have been exposed to too many shameless people who seem to have made it their life's goal in being offensive because they can get away with it.

If it was anything else which caused people to be less energetic, less physically capable, and less visually appealing, would you still defend it in the same way? Probably not, but it is being defended because it affects so many, who don't want to have their livestyles changed. There are many other equally unhealthy things people do, because it feels good, that aren't nearly as tolerated, or encouraged.
Lisnpuppy
QUOTE(Vagrant0 @ Jun 1 2008, 05:18 PM) *
QUOTE(gman021 @ Jun 1 2008, 07:25 PM) *
You know Vagrant0, I find it pretty immature that you just said, "Overweight people should be ashamed..."

I assume that they are, and they eat because they're sad. Just like Carah said. Sometimes it is because there are other issues in life. yes.gif

Then shouldn't they be seeking less destructive ways to "feel" better? I could spend most the day drunk off my ass, not giving a damn about anything... But all I'll get from that is a failure of a life, a loss of anything good that people might see in me, and a pickled liver. A similar comparison could be made with any drug that is used to "feel" better. Why should eating habits be any different? Excess is excess, bad decisions are bad decisions. If people don't feel obligated to re-evaluate their decisions or their lifestyle, they aren't likely to make any changes.

And you may be reading too much into things. I'm not attacking people who have medical conditions, or a genetic disposition to being overweight, and are actually making some effort to understand what they are putting into their bodies. I'm attacking the notion that overweight people should be encouraged in behavior which is unhealthy, for anyone, and more over, celebrating the cost of such a lifestyle. Maybe I just happen to have been exposed to too many shameless people who seem to have made it their life's goal in being offensive because they can get away with it.



I can understand that...some people have no self-awareness or desire to have any. I live in WV were probably over 1/2 of the population is overweight. But alot goes into weight and maybe you could have picked your initial words better?
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gman021
Yes. I agree with Lisnpuppy. You probably should have worded it better.

But, I do also agree with you as well. yes.gif I don't think, however, that people are PURPOSELY making themselves obese.


Okay. Let's try to get back on track. biggrin.gif (Or maybe not. This is turning into an interesting debate... smile.gif ).
Torren
I'm gonna toss a little gasoline into the fire here...
I know often people do destructive things to themselves when deep in depression because to them it is the only form of 'control' they have in their lives. Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not attacking anyones posts here, just adding fuel to this debate because often this is an aspect of depression that is often overlooked. You simply cannot say "Oh, go find something less destructive to do to yourself" to someone who is depressed, it does not work.
Now, on to the lighter...or maybe darker...side of things, this wholly depends on perspective. People who often have no symptoms of depression or genetic issues making them larger, fat, or obese are often victims of mass advertising and convenience. It is largely the plan of corporations to keep certain members of the public blind to what is happening to their bodies (Fast-food chains). I'm not condoning this activity in any way, nor am I supporting the people who get hooked into that lifestyle, because they do have the choice to truly check what is going into their bodies. Granted, if that is what they want, it is their sole right to choose....who are we to judge? We play video-games, often viewed as a bad influence to youth, and a way to train teens as killers. No one judges us for it.
gman021
QUOTE(Torren @ Jun 1 2008, 10:38 PM) *
I'm gonna toss a little gasoline into the fire here...
I know often people do destructive things to themselves when deep in depression because to them it is the only form of 'control' they have in their lives. Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not attacking anyones posts here, just adding fuel to this debate because often this is an aspect of depression that is often overlooked. You simply cannot say "Oh, go find something less destructive to do to yourself" to someone who is depressed, it does not work.
Now, on to the lighter...or maybe darker...side of things, this wholly depends on perspective. People who often have no symptoms of depression or genetic issues making them larger, fat, or obese are often victims of mass advertising and convenience. It is largely the plan of corporations to keep certain members of the public blind to what is happening to their bodies (Fast-food chains). I'm not condoning this activity in any way, nor am I supporting the people who get hooked into that lifestyle, because they do have the choice to truly check what is going into their bodies. Granted, if that is what they want, it is their sole right to choose....who are we to judge? We play video-games, often viewed as a bad influence to youth, and a way to train teens as killers. No one judges us for it.


Um, did you read what this topic was about? unsure.gif

Now then, let's get back on track. This is a very sensitive issue (the last thing we need is an explosion). ermm.gif



P.S. Not aimed specifically at you, Torren. no.gif
Torren
I know ^^;; Sorry about that last post, I couldn't let it slide without saying something. whistling.gif
I voted on the poll, btw, and here is my input on that subject.
The human body is among the most perfect forms of art in all of its sizes and shapes (yes, *gasp shock* I honestly think this). We were given the look we have to be appealing to others, granted not everyone would be appealed by how I look, but those who are will like what they see, and the same can be said of anyone reading this. A persons body is the only true natural beauty and art we possess as humans. Sure we can create things, but often artists go back to the art form that is most often found as the greatest. Us.
Clothed or nude, the body should be celebrated and revered. Weather or not one prefers clothes or not is a choice of the individual...some clothes look absolutely wicked on people, and often enhances their natural beauty. But don't forget...the clothes that cover us also hide the beauty that is you and you alone smile.gif
gman021
QUOTE(Torren @ Jun 1 2008, 11:10 PM) *
I know ^^;; Sorry about that last post, I couldn't let it slide without saying something. whistling.gif
I voted on the poll, btw, and here is my input on that subject.
The human body is among the most perfect forms of art in all of its sizes and shapes (yes, *gasp shock* I honestly think this). We were given the look we have to be appealing to others, granted not everyone would be appealed by how I look, but those who are will like what they see, and the same can be said of anyone reading this. A persons body is the only true natural beauty and art we possess as humans. Sure we can create things, but often artists go back to the art form that is most often found as the greatest. Us.
Clothed or nude, the body should be celebrated and revered. Weather or not one prefers clothes or not is a choice of the individual...some clothes look absolutely wicked on people, and often enhances their natural beauty. But don't forget...the clothes that cover us also hide the beauty that is you and you alone smile.gif


Well said. yes.gif
Wrath_Of_Deadguy01
Just to get it out of the way, I don't think people should go around 100% bare-ass naked in public; there are some very damn good reasons not to do so (starting with hygiene; imagine sitting down on a public seat that somebody just blew a wet fart all over). It's common sense behavior; all but the very least technologically advanced cultures feature some manner of basic covering (and if not, the reason is usually that they don't have access to suitable materials to make said garments). I do not, however, believe that it should be mandatory to always wear a shirt- men already have the liberty to go topless in most places, yet for women the same behavior is 'indecent exposure.' That makes no sense at all to me, and the reason for that goes well beyond any desire on my part to see more boobs.

I believe that our cultural taboo against nudity contributes in no small way to our horrifically skewed conceptions of what the ideal human body should look like. I don't think that the sight of a naked body is necessarily linked to sexual thoughts; that is also a learned association based on culture. The very fact that we as a culture believe that the human body ought to be covered up at all times except during sex and bathing encourages such an association.

As far as I'm concerned, a human body is a human body is a human body. I'm a 21 year old heterosexual male, but I'm not at all bothered by the sight of a naked man, and my thoughts don't immediately drift to sex when I see a naked woman. Part of that may be because of my upbringing; my parents are members at a nudist resort and have been my whole life, so I've seen pretty much every kind of naked body you can imagine in decidedly non-sexual situations. That's also resulted in my having a rather broad definition of beauty; I've grown up with the understanding that the body you're born with is the body you were meant to have, and it is beautiful for being well-kept and not for being changed to suit the rest of society.

Also, I've got a sneaking suspicion that much of our societal problem with weight and body image would just go away if nudity weren't such a taboo. I mean, think about it- clothing by its very nature hides bodily imperfections, so even the morbidly obese and dangerously underweight can just cover up their bodies and not be as noticeable. Without clothing, I guarantee you they'd stick out like sore thumbs all the time, and it would very quickly become socially unacceptable to be that careless with one's body and still be seen out in public. Since people are generally sheep who go along with whatever the social norm du jour may be, people would start taking better care of themselves and things like obesity and anorexia/bulemia would become rather scarce. Of course, that's never going to happen, because we do have a taboo against nudity and no argument is likely to change that.

All that said, I don't think that there's any chance of society accepting that nudity is not something to be afraid of, and even if it were legal to walk around in the buff I don't think I'd ever choose to. I'm far more comfortable with clothing than without.
Marcus Wolfe
I think I'll take this opportunity to quote myself:

I like my women like I like my steak:

Hot

Tender

Juicy

Spiced

Meaty

And with a little bit of fat around the edges



Seriously, what is it with girl's obsession with skinnyness?

Men are not turned on by skinny girls. They do not look at pictures of starving women in Africa and feel aroused. They do not find your ribcage sexy.

Men are just turned on by girls that aren't hideously fat.

Besides, men like boobs, and boobs are nothing but fat!
Lisnpuppy
Yes Marcus..

we are all too aware of your liking for chunky sizzling girls and steaks.

Just what a woman wants to hear..

"Baby, you are so sexy. Just like my steak....little fat around the edges and smelling like charcoal."


<smirk>
Torren
Well said, he did kinda leave himself open for it.
Now, I must agree with Wrath_of_Deadguy01 on a few very valid points. Clothing is a hygenic nessecity in many cases. For more reasons than a wet fart, but I shouldn't have to elaborate, since that alone is pretty nasty tongue.gif
And yes, clothes are meant to hide imperfections while enhancing the 'perfections' so to speak. While it has become a bylaw in some places that women CAN walk topless, you almost never see it in those places due to the sexual immaturity of certain groups of people. I know that its legal in a small township near where I live, however almost no women do it because of the cat-calls and since our proximity to the city is a concern as well...one does not want to be sexually assaulted, which leads to another issue with society covering up its bodies the way it does. Nudity being a taboo has in no small part contributed to sexual crimes against others. That, however, is a whole different subject.
I think, as much as I appreciate the naked body, that clothing serves both a hygenic, and now personal safety purpose.
Lisnpuppy
QUOTE(Torren @ Jun 2 2008, 07:57 PM) *
Well said, he did kinda leave himself open for it.
Now, I must agree with Wrath_of_Deadguy01 on a few very valid points. Clothing is a hygenic nessecity in many cases. For more reasons than a wet fart, but I shouldn't have to elaborate, since that alone is pretty nasty tongue.gif
And yes, clothes are meant to hide imperfections while enhancing the 'perfections' so to speak. While it has become a bylaw in some places that women CAN walk topless, you almost never see it in those places due to the sexual immaturity of certain groups of people. I know that its legal in a small township near where I live, however almost no women do it because of the cat-calls and since our proximity to the city is a concern as well...one does not want to be sexually assaulted, which leads to another issue with society covering up its bodies the way it does. Nudity being a taboo has in no small part contributed to sexual crimes against others. That, however, is a whole different subject.
I think, as much as I appreciate the naked body, that clothing serves both a hygenic, and now personal safety purpose.



I dont think that clothing..or lack thereof should be a consideration in one's getting assulted. People are smart and should be able to keep it under control regardless of what is worn-or not.
And sexual crimes have very little to do with sex. They are about power, control and rage....not sex.
philosopher101
Pardon me Gman021 I seem to have noticed a flaw in your pole. While your basis for yes no and maybe is good you should not have overlooked the possibility of alternate views associated with yes and no. The reason is that just beacuse someone views the body as natural dosen't mean that a person feels the same about wheater or not clothees should be worn or not. It would be no different in a political sense. Statements like your a democrate so you must be pro choice, or your a communist so you must belive that money is evil; don't wuite fit. A person could be conservative but feel that stem cell research is A. O. K. I don't wish to put out your question for indeed it is a nesscasary one. And indeed i believe that the body is natural and that clothes are not nesscasry. A world without clothes would have many cahnges in society. for instance no man would ever ask a woman out just to see her naked, nor would there be any DSW's. however i believe as i have always believed that people will disagree and that is fine. But as long as this debate goes on, (by which i mean not the pole posted on the page, but more a figurative sense that as long as people will question the need for "turtle necks" i will be streaking all BLEEPING DAY LONG!!!!

I hope you understand That i personally feel that a world without clothes may just be a simpler one. But then again I do live in Alaska and it does get cold.
gman021
QUOTE(philosopher101 @ Jun 2 2008, 07:31 PM) *
Pardon me Gman021 I seem to have noticed a flaw in your pole. While your basis for yes no and maybe is good you should not have overlooked the possibility of alternate views associated with yes and no. The reason is that just beacuse someone views the body as natural dosen't mean that a person feels the same about wheater or not clothees should be worn or not. It would be no different in a political sense. Statements like your a democrate so you must be pro choice, or your a communist so you must belive that money is evil; don't wuite fit. A person could be conservative but feel that stem cell research is A. O. K. I don't wish to put out your question for indeed it is a nesscasary one. And indeed i believe that the body is natural and that clothes are not nesscasry. A world without clothes would have many cahnges in society. for instance no man would ever ask a woman out just to see her naked, nor would there be any DSW's. however i believe as i have always believed that people will disagree and that is fine. But as long as this debate goes on, (by which i mean not the pole posted on the page, but more a figurative sense that as long as people will question the need for "turtle necks" i will be streaking all BLEEPING DAY LONG!!!!

I hope you understand That i personally feel that a world without clothes may just be a simpler one. But then again I do live in Alaska and it does get cold.


Yes. I see that. It was kind of late when I wrote this, and I was using my iTouch, so I was feeling too lazy to make more options.

I agree with you on the last sentence there. yes.gif


P.S. Try to work on your spelling. tongue.gif I can understand however if English is not your native language, but I know for a fact that it is. yes.gif
Sharkull
QUOTE(Lisnpuppy @ Jun 2 2008, 08:09 PM) *
I dont think that clothing..or lack thereof should be a consideration in one's getting assulted. People are smart and should be able to keep it under control regardless of what is worn-or not.

"Should" being the operative word in both of those statements (and I completely agree with what you've said here). The world "should" be a better place than it is. Crime "should" not exist... but we do have to live with reality, and it does. Clothing is necessary for more than one reason.

(And "people" are only "smart" if they choose to actually think for themselves... and sadly most people don't.)
Lisnpuppy
QUOTE(Sharkull @ Jun 2 2008, 11:21 PM) *
QUOTE(Lisnpuppy @ Jun 2 2008, 08:09 PM) *
I dont think that clothing..or lack thereof should be a consideration in one's getting assulted. People are smart and should be able to keep it under control regardless of what is worn-or not.

"Should" being the operative word in both of those statements (and I completely agree with what you've said here). The world "should" be a better place than it is. Crime "should" not exist... but we do have to live with reality, and it does. Clothing is necessary for more than one reason.

(And "people" are only "smart" if they choose to actually think for themselves... and sadly most people don't.)



I agree.

But I do not think tha tclothing has anything to do with assult or rape. People can make excuses of a woman's way of dress or behavior. But sex crimes are not about promiscuity..nudity or anything other than power and control.
Vagrant0
QUOTE(Lisnpuppy @ Jun 3 2008, 05:03 AM) *
I agree.

But I do not think tha tclothing has anything to do with assult or rape. People can make excuses of a woman's way of dress or behavior. But sex crimes are not about promiscuity..nudity or anything other than power and control.

There is also the other aspect. Nudity is percieved as being lude behavior by most cultures that follow the westen model. This leads to a society which is centered around making it taboo, and thus a concept that gets some people sexually charged. So yeah, those people that say that public nudity will cause more crimes have a point, but that is due largely to their labeling it as taboo. Just because you are able to control yourself doesn't mean that others can. A good portion of society isn't really much better than animals. And they seem to enjoy being animals.

Basically, taboo is fun, and people like going against the rules of society. One infraction invites another. Or something. (don't read too much into it, it's late for me).
delphinus
QUOTE(Vagrant0 @ Jun 3 2008, 07:20 AM) *
QUOTE(Lisnpuppy @ Jun 3 2008, 05:03 AM) *
I agree.

But I do not think tha tclothing has anything to do with assult or rape. People can make excuses of a woman's way of dress or behavior. But sex crimes are not about promiscuity..nudity or anything other than power and control.

There is also the other aspect. Nudity is percieved as being lude behavior by most cultures that follow the westen model. This leads to a society which is centered around making it taboo, and thus a concept that gets some people sexually charged. So yeah, those people that say that public nudity will cause more crimes have a point, but that is due largely to their labeling it as taboo. Just because you are able to control yourself doesn't mean that others can. A good portion of society isn't really much better than animals. And they seem to enjoy being animals.

Basically, taboo is fun, and people like going against the rules of society. One infraction invites another. Or something. (don't read too much into it, it's late for me).



No, Good Vagrant0, i don't agree... what you are talking about is more similiar to discrimination than to sexual taboo infractions (like you said) One could take violence if he/she wears a red shirt instead of a black one. And the red shirt wearer can't take 50% responsibility because he "invited" the others to beat him, right?

Same thing for the sexy dressed girl. When i see one that i like, i could put my eyes on her and i could easily drive my car into an accident. But NOTHING can justify me if i stop the car, force her to come with me and put violence on her later. in that case I AM the one who has to be put in jail for enough time to learn to control myself, NOT the girl who has to be dressed like a nun in order to not to be a target for the sex criminals.
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