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ariem
Hello, I have been playing oblivion for a while, and I recently installed some mods. My saves crash whenever I load them, and I can't get it to work. My mods are 1. Akatosh mod(dragon mount)2. All DLC,KOTN and SI except for Battlehorn 3.Dangersense 4.Frostcrag Reborn 5.OBMM 6. Capes and Cloaks. Help is appreciated. P.S. I installe OBSE and Deadly reflex and Aurums magic mod, and those don't work either. This only happened a day or two ago, until then it worked fine.I also can't start a new game, it loads till the very last part, then doesn't load. It still runs, but won't load.
nosisab
QUOTE(ariem @ May 12 2008, 04:58 PM) *
Hello, I have been playing oblivion for a while, and I recently installed some mods. My saves crash whenever I load them, and I can't get it to work. My mods are 1. Akatosh mod(dragon mount)2. All DLC,KOTN and SI except for Battlehorn 3.Dangersense 4.Frostcrag Reborn 5.OBMM 6. Capes and Cloaks. Help is appreciated. P.S. I installe OBSE and Deadly reflex and Aurums magic mod, and those don't work either. This only happened a day or two ago, until then it worked fine.I also can't start a new game, it loads till the very last part, then doesn't load. It still runs, but won't load.

Your load order list is useful, please post it the same way it is (you can use the OBMM export load order to do this)
But there are some things that can be advanced for now. First of all you must assure you are starting the game 'via' OBSE loader instead Oblivion.exe. Second, assure the HorseCombatMaster.ESM from Deadly reflex is loaded and activated (even if you don't want horse combat) since it's absence is known to crash the game at start.
After this point is better to wait more detailed informations.
ariem
Thanks. My load order is:
DLCFrostcrag.esp
DLCHorseArmor.esp
CapesandCLoaks.esp
DLCOrrery.esp
zDangersense.esp
DLCThievesDen.esp
DLCVileLair.esp
DLCMehrunesRazor.esp
DLCSpellTomes.esp
Knights.esp
Akatosh Mount By Saiden Storm.esp
DLCShiveringIsles.esp

I downloaded OBSE to C:/Program Files/Bethesda Softworks/Oblivion/Data, but I can't find it. I uninstalled Deadly Reflex till I can fix the OBSE problem.What should I do to fix my load order,OBSE,and my crashing problem?
nosisab
QUOTE(ariem @ May 12 2008, 05:35 PM) *
Thanks. My load order is:
DLCFrostcrag.esp
DLCHorseArmor.esp
CapesandCLoaks.esp
DLCOrrery.esp
zDangersense.esp
DLCThievesDen.esp
DLCVileLair.esp
DLCMehrunesRazor.esp
DLCSpellTomes.esp
Knights.esp
Akatosh Mount By Saiden Storm.esp
DLCShiveringIsles.esp

I downloaded OBSE to C:/Program Files/Bethesda Softworks/Oblivion/Data, but I can't find it. I uninstalled Deadly Reflex till I can fix the OBSE problem.What should I do to fix my load order,OBSE,and my crashing problem?


OBSE must be installed at the Oblivion root folder, I mean directly on C:/Program Files/Bethesda Softworks/Oblivion/ in your case. Use the function "view Load Order' of OBMM to copy and paste, as you are lacking ESMs in the list above. I'm seeing the SI ESP at the end of the load order, and I'm asking myself if you patched the game to the last official path that is 1.2.0416

Edit: OBMM and OBSE are not mods, they are what is known as utilities, and both are to be installed at the /oblivion directory, not /Oblivion/data
ariem
Alright, I will reinstall OBSE to the root folder. The Esm is at the top, right before Frostcrag. I'm not on 1.2.0416, I'm on 1.4.0 something.Thanks for the help so far.
Edit:I installed OBSE to C:/Program Files/Bethesda Softworks/Oblivion, where is it, and how do I open Oblivion with it?
nosisab
QUOTE(ariem @ May 12 2008, 05:59 PM) *
Alright, I will reinstall OBSE to the root folder. The Esm is at the top, right before Frostcrag. I'm not on 1.2.0416, I'm on 1.4.0 something.Thanks for the help so far.
Edit:I installed OBSE to C:/Program Files/Bethesda Softworks/Oblivion, where is it, and how do I open Oblivion with it?

1.4? so I'm the one needing to actualize smile.gif

As to launch Oblivion with OBSE you need just to launch OBSE_Loader.exe instead Oblivion.exe or OblivionLauncher.exe

I don't have anymore DLCShiveringIsles as ESP since it was merged with Oblivion.esm (And honestly I don't recall if this is done by the official patch or some mod) Anyway, SI must come first in the load order, before all those other esps.

For this patch 1.4, I'll look for something about this, but I think there are some mistake at some point here.
Midas and some others mods will not even work without the game patched less then 1.2.0416. IF there is a new patch, it is so new I missed it completely, 'maybe' those mods will work with it, maybe they will need a patch for they selves.
ariem
I think I can take it from here. Thanks a ton Nosisab!
Edit: I just patched, and I made a mistake. I meant 1.0.4 or something.
nosisab
QUOTE(ariem @ May 12 2008, 06:30 PM) *
I think I can take it from here. Thanks a ton Nosisab!

I really want to help if I can, and the last patch is actually 1.2.0416 (I searched for this as Beth could have launched a new one).

But you are right, once OBSE is in the correct place, all there seems will work without troubles. Yet I suggest you downloading the Unofficial patches (to oblivion itself and to the DLCs too). You will find then here in TESNexus.

See ya
ariem
One more question, how do I launch it as OBSE_Launcher.exe rather than oblivion.exe?
nosisab
QUOTE(ariem @ May 12 2008, 06:50 PM) *
One more question, how do I launch it as OBSE_Launcher.exe rather than oblivion.exe?

You can make a copy and place it at desktop assuring it being copied as shortcut. Or an yet better idea you can download another utility named "The OBSE Launcher" since it will place together several nice features. It can launch Oblivion with and without OBSE, the Construction Set with and without OBSE, other utilities as OBMM and "Character Manager" (maybe you want look at this one too). It will allow you to activate or deactivate ESPs to testing purposes (to modify order OBMM yet is a must have), and at one only place.
All you will need is inform the paths of the related utilities, but this is simple navigating toward it, very userfriendly.
nosisab
QUOTE(ariem @ May 12 2008, 06:50 PM) *
One more question, how do I launch it as OBSE_Launcher.exe rather than oblivion.exe?

You can make a copy and place it at desktop assuring it being copied as shortcut. Or an yet better idea you can download another utility named "The OBSE Launcher" since it will place together several nice features. It can launch Oblivion with and without OBSE, the Construction Set with and without OBSE, other utilities as OBMM and "Character Manager" (maybe you want look at this one too). It will allow you to activate or deactivate ESPs to testing purposes (to modify order OBMM yet is a must have), and at one only place.
All you will need is inform the paths of the related utilities, but this is simple navigating toward it, very userfriendly.
ariem
Hopefully my last problem, I downloaded OBSE launcher, and OBSE is downloaded in C:/PRogram Files/Bethesda Softworks/Oblivion, but whenever I try to open Ob with OBSE it says
"OB Dir Error:
Please check the Oblivion Directory path in the options screen is correct and you have OBSE installed!" Didn't I install OBSE correctly? My Directory is C:/Program Files/Bethesda Softworks/Oblivion/ . Is something not in the right path?
EDIT: It is all fine. I fixed it. Thanks Nosisab!
ariem
It is not working. It loads with OBSE up to the loading screen for a new game, and crashes. I am at my wits end here.
This is my load order if it would be useful.
Oblivion.esm
Horsecombatmaster.esm
DLCShiveringisles.esp
DLCFrostcrag.esp
CapesandCloaks.esp
DLCHorsearmor.esp
DLCOrrery.esp
DeadlyReflex-timed block+very high damage.esp(not activated)
DeadlyReflex-timed blocknootherchanges.esp(not activated)
DeadlyReflex-timedblock+highdamage.esp
zDangersense.esp
DLCThievesDen.esp
DLCVileLair.esp
DLCMehrunesRazor.esp
DLCSpelltomes.esp
Mounted_SpellcastingDeadlyReflexCompatible.esp
Knights.esp
DeadlyReflex-Combatmoves.esp
AkatoshmountbySaidenStorm.esp
Midasspells.esp
nosisab
QUOTE(ariem @ May 12 2008, 08:52 PM) *
It is not working. It loads with OBSE up to the loading screen for a new game, and crashes. I am at my wits end here.
This is my load order if it would be useful.
Oblivion.esm
Horsecombatmaster.esm
DLCShiveringisles.esp
DLCFrostcrag.esp
CapesandCloaks.esp
DLCHorsearmor.esp
DLCOrrery.esp
DeadlyReflex-timed block+very high damage.esp(not activated)
DeadlyReflex-timed blocknootherchanges.esp(not activated)
DeadlyReflex-timedblock+highdamage.esp
zDangersense.esp
DLCThievesDen.esp
DLCVileLair.esp
DLCMehrunesRazor.esp
DLCSpelltomes.esp
Mounted_SpellcastingDeadlyReflexCompatible.esp
Knights.esp
DeadlyReflex-Combatmoves.esp
AkatoshmountbySaidenStorm.esp
Midasspells.esp

Your Oblivion.ini maybe is the problem. Copy the Oblivion_Defaults.ini from your oblivion path to C:\My Documents\My Games\Oblivion ... rename the Oblivion.ini there to Oblivion.inibak and so rename the copied one to Oblivion.ini
try the game again.
Knights of the nine is reported sometimes as troublesome, so experiment changing its load order if the new Oblivion.ini is not enough to solve the issue. You can try to place Frostcrag more toward the end of the load order (mainly if it is the Frostcrag reborn)

Certify you are patched to 1.2.0416, this is very important
ariem
I am sure I am 1.2.0416. Would it be better to just totally take off Kotn? I'll do the ini thing. Just one question about that though. Do I move the ini to Mygames/Oblivion and rename THAT file, or do I rename another file? At the risk of sounding like a noob,where exactly are the ini files? I looked in C:/My games/Oblivion, but I can't find them.
nosisab
QUOTE(ariem @ May 12 2008, 10:02 PM) *
I am sure I am 1.2.0416. Would it be better to just totally take off Kotn? I'll do the ini thing. Just one question about that though. Do I move the ini to Mygames/Oblivion and rename THAT file, or do I rename another file? At the risk of sounding like a noob,where exactly are the ini files? I looked in C:/My games/Oblivion, but I can't find them.

hmm, if you couldn't find the C:\My Documents\My Games\Oblivion\Oblivion.ini there is something very strange in you setup

Anyway, in The Oblivion folder there is an Oblivion_Defaults.ini that is a template to the ini file it use when working (actually is the one from where the Oblivion.ini is built at first time). This is the one you can copy into C:\My Documents\My Games\Oblivion replacing the Oblivion.ini already there, or if it is not present (?) to create a new one. So you rename this copy of Oblivion_Defaults.ini to Oblivion.ini ... "At" C:\My Documents\My Games\Oblivion folder.

If this don't work, so is better you reinstall all the game, I suggest you following the instructions from this great tutorial about a safe and good reinstall from bben46 (and remember the kudos for him smile.gif )

http://thewormhole.nfshost.com/forum/index...opic,296.0.html

it's a last resource but is one that if don't works you will need to post the specs of your machine.
ariem
I got it to work by reinstalling everything. However, I now have another problem. I downloaded many mods (I'm not on my own computer now so I don't have OBMM to check), including thieves arsenal, deadly reflex, mighty magick,and others. It works fine, but I can't level up. I get to the leveling screen, with the stats and stuff, but when I click exit, it crashes. I'll have my load order up tomorrow.
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