First off if you reply negativly to this thread i will report you. This is a tribute to a great modder. And is i am sure moderators will read this.

Whilst surfing through the mods tonight i found out a disturbing fact. Alienslof has pulled all of her mods from all oblivion mod sites. One of the Most talented modders out there has giving up do to the insults, insults probabyl from kids who have no conception of what it takes to make the great things slof has made.

What i am going to say now i will hope help some of those "kids" understand something. I am a teacher, i wont say where or what i teach, but i am a teacher. I have a family, a wife and three kids. I am a grown man. My Hobby is playing computer games. Because why? because i can. Its a great stress reliever.

I enjoyed alienslofs mods, her giger armor, sexy male armor, ect. I didnt like her robe trader because it overwrote a different robe mod i liked better. But i didnt go out and act like a child and give her a bad rating or say some dumbass childish remark to make her feel bad. Because i know what it takes to make a mod. I appreciated the fact she shared it with me, and those who apprecited her work. I also know what it feels like to take a hit, a bad word, or get made to feel bad, as i said i am a teacher, i get it alot from kids who have no self respect, all they know is to think of themsleves.

And it angers me that people would drive away someone that gave them something great FOR FREE! As been stated many times over, if you didnt like her stuff then you should have looked away. Now you cost ALL of the community a great asset.

Honestly, I hope she returns, and returns soon.

If you have something to say here about this situation, please say it. Show some respect though.

For those who love her work check out her website. ( someone post her link as i have no idea how to post links yet. )

and from somebody who appreciates fine work, i even say thank you for supporting slof.

Oh my, that's impossible. However, concerning how wicked people can be, it's less of surprise. Damn bastards

I too hope she returns. It is too much of a loss. Something has to be done.

Alien Slof is one of the best and most creative modders there is. If you have ever been to her site, you will see that she is not only a modder, but an accomplished artist as well. If she is really gone for good it is a sad day for those who appreciated her work. If there was a personal attack on her I missed it. Was it on Tesnexus or one of the other less well regulated boards?

For those 'tards who completely missed it, Alien Slof is a SHE. Not a guy who likes nekked boys. She does other mods that have nothing to do with nudity also. If you don't like the subject of her work, you are not required to download it. If you are just looking at it to complain, I wonder about your preference and age. Are you really old enough to be looking at the adult only content?

No mature being can discord this post, einhander888, and I second it too. The same happened to Giscard, that brought us the wonderful Kvatch Aftermath and other no less important works.
Luckily the community, or at least the more mature part of it, saw what was being done and the volume of supporting and grateful posts lead him to try again and so he is giving continuity to the bigger project of Cyrodiil Upgrade.
What we must do now is actually this you began. Show Allienslof that the mature ones, and we aren't absolute minority, are grateful for her work we know was very hard and demanding.
Very good your initiative and informative topic, as many like myself doesn't knew this saddening issue.

Yes it was on TesNexus during the last night! Another of those boring and (sigh!) well known rants about 'creativity'..
http://thenexusforums.com/index.php?showtopic=57891

However, she has already said that her mods will be available on her site sooner or later and has confirmed the permissions already gave to other people to use her mods content for their wips. (on CI boards)

Maybe that's for the best. There's no way to withstand all of this for any person, and there's no way to shut every single flamer's mouth up. But still... I feel ashamed. After all, many here knew of the situation and didn't support her better. A few ratings is hardly enough.

Glad to hear i'm not the only "old fogey" around Tamriel!! lol. I have seen certain names that just cant say anything good or constructive to anyone.. If i dont like a mod, but dont have ideas to make it better, i just delee it and let it go. Constructive criticism is generally helpful, but just being an ass isnt. I am not familiar with slof's work, but noone should be treated that way.

Man thats rediculous her mods where great
go's to show how a few fag kids can ruin someones day
we really need to blacklist the ip addresses to these faggots dishing out all the crap.
or at least allow a feature that allows you to disable comments and maybe have some
moderator type members that can go around and display thier rating (just like on cnet you have the people and thier critics; yeah everyone hates a critic but a elected critic is great)

hope to see slofs work again,
-SGTBOB

You will always get those who want to moan and bitdh about nothing, but we who don't must stand by the people being treated unfairly. I liked slofs mods, they were nice, no, not the nudity mods

Well, at first I should say that I've been with AlienSlof's plugins throughout Morrowind and Oblivion and it was a really long and pleasant way. You can see her outstanding Giger armor set on some shots of my Oblivion character, for example.
I think the post of this "newbie" out there was just a primitive way of trolling. But sometimes such things might be taken deeply close to heart and insult anyone, no matter how hard-shelled the person is.
I'm sure that everything will be OK with her, because we support her and no matter how many of those "morality"-lovers would appear, there would always be people who see a little far than the point of their nose.

Heed the words of the op, if you go negative and attack Alienslof, the report will be the least of your worries.

The community lost a great friend and a generous modder yesterday. This wonderful lady gave us many great assets for the Elderscrolls games and it was lost due to harassment and homophobia.

As I have stated many times, if you have nothing positive or constructive to add to the discussion, then please don't post.

Buddah

TO: einhander888

A very nice thought to show community support for our friend.

When I went to Alien Slof's site yesterday to download some mods, I found it empty of them (even ones hosted by herself!). I wondered, "What the heck?"

Then today, I saw a post on the Forums about her leaving Oblivion Modding forever. I was very disappointed and sad. I didn't even get to download some of my favorite mods!


So, if you read this Alien Slof: We all miss you, and we want you to come back! Just ignore those trolls and flamers! They don't know anything about all the hard work that went into the mods you made!


Thank you. That is all.

It's just bad the way she has been treated. Even though I did not have any interest in most of her too kinky mods, I knew others did.
I know she puts a lot of work into making her mods and would even at a few occasions take requests if she was interested.
Even if someone would find the mods immoral or something it wouldn't justify the way they have flamed her. In fact can even justify them.
I really hope that those who posted those comment will be IP banned from all pages they have either flamed her or/and downloaded mods.
In any case I hope she continues to mod, and that nothing like this will happen to any of the other great modders out there.

I certainly hope she decides to reupload to her own site, at least. It would be a shame for people to miss out on her work.

Let this be a lesson to everyone.

If you see an offensive comment, report it. It doesn't take very long at all and it's not like you have to explain yourself either as admins are capable of reading too. Simply click the report button and say "jerk alert" which will call upon the admins to hone in on the offending post.

I've handled several reports that dealt with offenses that were over a month ago and I do not know why it took that long before somebody reported them. It's a bit saddning to think of all the people that read such offensive comments and simply pass it by. I don't recall any post, no matter how offensive it was, to ever have more than 2 people report it. So please, do not think that somebody else will take care of it.

If you are not sure about what constitudes constructive criticism, here is a good post on the ESF forums:



LHammonds (File Admin)

EDIT:

I was in the process of writing the following text earlier today on the Bethesda forum but it got locked before I could submit it....and reasonably so:

Well, I give up. My 1st post/thread was out of anger and this post was "supposed" to be a tribute to her as something nice to read but apparently this isn't going to happen now or anytime in the future.

People cannot keep their opinions to themselves when they should and I tend to agree more and more with AlienSlof's actions as being the correct approach.

This has absolutely NOTHING to do with constructive criticism as most modders rarely receive such gifts. It has to do with people opening their mouths when they should remain shut.

Example #1 @ TESNexus
Example #2 @ TESNexus
Example #3 @ TESNexus

Modders don't get paid money. They do so because they want to. I do not know the statistics of mods created and never released compared to those that are released, but there is a substantial amount of effort that must be made to take a personal mod and make it available to the general public. It's not just saying, "hey, I'll just pop this up on a site and share with others." You have to package the mod into a distributable archive, create a readme with information about the mod, install/uninstall, credits where necessary and permissions for use to protect your work. Then you have to actually go through the process of uploading the file(s), screenshots, answering question after question about the mod, maybe even creating a release (RELz) thread, creating file mirror sites, making patch updates, etc. None of this is required when you keep your mods to yourself.

Now I say unto you, who here thinks they deserve all of this extra work from these modders? ? ? ? ?

* sounds of crickets in the distance *

Check her site. Some of her files are back up!

Hmmm... now please don't get angry at me for this, but I think that banning a Newbie is kind of unfair (Sorelid), when they didn't even have a single Strike against them.

Or is there something I'm missing?




Huzzah!

This is something that's been on my mind quite a bit lately, and with the events of the last two days it has become a major issue with me.

[rant] For the mods of this site. There has got to be something else we can do besides reporting. Giskard made a very valid point, no one sticks up for a modder when trolls and flamers go to town, because we can't. We should be allowed to say, and I quote Giskard, "Oy, that's not acceptable!" Modders need to feel that their fans will stick up for them when jackhole trolls pop their nasty little heads up in OUR forums.

I realize you do volunteer your time to keep this site running and I respect that. But we need to do more, we should be able to stick up for the people who put their blood, sweat and tears into making this game better than it was, day after day. I mean, we almost lost one of the most respected modders of this community because no one had the balls to do anything about it until it was too late.

This event has caused Slof to start hosting her own mods, personally, to keep the trolls and flamers out. Can you imagine what would happen if EVERY modder decided to do that? I for one, would personally not want to visit umpteen thousand sites just to grab a handful of mods that interest me. I say again, there has got to be more that we can do.[/rant]

-T-

There are two sites here, the main site for files and the forums which are symbiotic in nature, but different in what is available therefor different rules apply.

I will answer, if you make one post and it is totally non constructive in nature and causes a disruption to the main site, InstaBan is the proper option. I have done so myself, it sets a hard and fast line that should not be crossed.

The forums are moderated with a little more latitude given to the poster.

Conan_Lon is talking about mod authors and creators of downloadable material.

Not the Moderating Staff

I completely agree with Thandai.

It's horrible to just sit there and watch these modders get punished by flamers and trolls! Even if we use the "Report" button! It will just keep happening over and over again.

I think that it would be nice if there were a select group of Users (besides the Moderators) to do this. Mature, responsible people.

Thank you. That is all.




Edit: @ Buddah: Oh. Okay. I did not know there was an "Insta-Ban."


P.S. Sorry for the late post! I guess that's what I get for typing on my iTouch...

FYI - This was the 1st case I had ever issued an insta-ban for a comment.

As Buddah has pointed out, the forums where members communicate and have discussions are allowed quite a bit more slack. I've "tried" to use the same set of rules on the comments for uploaded files but there is a difference in the mentality of posters there than on the forums...many don't even visit the forums and only ever make comments on the uploaded files.

If it's one thing I've noticed and learned in the short time I've been a moderator is that if somebody joins the forums and their first posts are breaking the rules, they are likely to continue. Why? Because they did not read or understand the Terms of Service when the just signed up and it's quite likely they signed up primarily to make that statement.

I've also seen people create multiple accounts in order to down-rate other mods and try to artificially inflate their own.

The latest example was just today that somebody got their account stuck into a "suspect" group because they were trying to artificially inflate download counts by downloading the same file over 50 times.

I believe in giving people second chances and the strike system allows for 3 with a possibility of 4 chances if a warning is issued. People make mistakes and I like to give them opportunities to calm down and get a clear head which is sometimes impossible in the heat of the moment. But if your very 1st post is an attack on a modder, don't expect a 2nd chance by me anymore.

I will consult with the rest of the staff regarding how we should handle those that attack modders and other members on this site. I've also suggested an addition to the Rules page about Constructive Criticism.

LHammonds

Hey, I've got a great new idea for the Strike System:

1st Strike and you're banned for a day (a full 24 hours).

2nd Strike and you're banned for a week (7 days).

3rd Strike and you're gone for good.


Well, what do you think? It would teach people not to flame and attack modders and other members.

It was also the same rules for my Swim Team. It worked quite well if you ask me...

Hi budah, hi everyone:

Needless to say I'm also saddened about she leaving upset. As many have said, the only thing that matters now is that she could be happy and take a break from public exposure. I didn't used nor known all her mods, but for the few I do use, I just love them.

I think that she's a very talented artist, and a great person. One of the Masters of the craft, and she deserves all the respect and love we can give her. And the only wish I have is that she could be at peace and forget everything about the nasty individuals that caused this over the years.



Maybe those words should be shown in red bold letters at the top of the comment entry page, and also in the rating entry page. I'd add a word warning about the Insta-Ban if that's not respected.

That'd put the 'passer-by' types on alert, I think.

Also, w.r.t why so few reports, I think that after the site re-design, when the separated tabs for description, file, comment, etc. many people, who might be willing to report a bad post now do not access the comment sections like they were before. Unless they are having troubles, or some specific issue. I think that at least the last five comments should be made visible on-sight at the main mod page. So, every time one enters a mod page there has a change that you can spot a bad comment, or at least be lured to the comment sections after reading some interesting thing in other of the comments there. That's just my tiny $0.002.

Best of regards to everyone,
leandro

I think there are cases where the insta-ban is ways better, or rather a necessity! Your idea could be good, but just for 'normal' users. However anyone is supposed not to start a flame war in his first post! Theoretically he has to make a 'welcome' thread in the right form!

Yes. That was my point. If a user posts a bad comment as their first, the Insta-Ban should be used, but with a word of warning before hand.

Well, I too believe that it may be necessary to become stricter in regards to moderating the comments. Alienslof is a veteran modder, and a comment from a member such as that is completely uncalled for. It is my gut feeling that the person who made the creativity comment created a new account just to mask his/her real screen name. I hope they were dump enough to use the same email or IP address on that fake account.

It's a shame to see Alienslof make such a decision, but I think it is called for. And I respect that decision.

.~DW

Sadly, this sort of behavior is pretty much unique to the internet. The anonymity brings out the worst in some people. I have used some of Slofs mods since the first week I played Oblivion. There is a wide range of them, from beautiful horses right over to the sexiest male outfits imaginable. I may not love every item she has made, but there are plenty from which to choose and that includes a good number of those gorgeous male outfits! It is shame on us all that so many people think it's fine to slander and maul other people. We are failing as a society when we allow the rudeness and callousness to go unpunished.

Slof, your title as one of the Finest Modders for Oblivion is well earned.

How about an idea of blocking flamer's ability to leave comments or rate, instead of temporary/permanent ban? That would lessen his possible need to create a new profile, but would effectively stop inadequate behavior with his current one.

I am going to say one thing, and one thing only. This is to those kids that think gaming is only for 10-17 year olds.

I grew up with the Nintendo. the original nintendo. I grew up with the sega genisis, super nintendo, turbo graphix 16, Atari Jaguar, Playstation 1. if you little punks think that gaming is only for kids, you got another thing coming. if it wasn't for us adults out there that supported the gaming community when we were kids, begging our parents for the next super mario brothers, or the next castlvania, or contra, you little dudes who think you are badaas gamers wouldn't have anything.

Respect your elders, respect those who create the things you play. Who the hell do you think makes these games? 14 year olds? 18 year olds? No we adults do. And we always will because it is a form of employment and or enjoyment.

I say the gaming inudstry in 20 years will well surpass the "hollywood" industry. And in saying that alot more Adult games will be out there, you little dudes gonna say this is gay or that is gay? No your gonna love it, because it is the next badass thing out there. And yet you little punks belive now you have a say in things. you might. you may very well do. But not for long. Only time is on your side.

I didnt love all of alienslofs work either. but i loved a majority of it. And little flamers who think they have a say in things? boy kiddos, you have another thing coming! I remeber how "hard" the original super mario brothers was. Took me a few months to get to bowser. Now i could do it in a half hour fifteen minutes.

With that being said, do you little dumbass flamers know what it took alienslof to make just a one mod? There is more kilobytes in 1 finger of slofs mods than there is in the entire Nintendo game selection. More kilobytes in an arm than the entire Sega genisis, super nintedo, and turbo graphix 16 combined. And yet you have the ghast to judge her because of a little male pajog? Whats the difference between showing a womans jeed than a mans pajog?

It urks me that "kids" have this power to make such a talented artist quit do, to a an immature mind.

I hope Alienslof posts something here. at least i hope she reads what we wrote for her.

Dont give into the immature "kids" out there slof. You have a good following. And also i havent downloaded your horse mod yet. I was going to but i read the damn thread in a mod suntiger made ( slofs beefcake armor ,and it pissed me off royaly) . and i downloaded most of what had your name on it because i figured it would be good, if not all of it, something in it would. and it was.

with that said i hope, i inside me i know, she needs a break, butshe will return.

And i hope thedarkone figures out a way to stop these kids from flaming, He has my support, as does slof and all those great modders out there that make oblivion what it can be. one of the best games to play. period.

( forgive me for ranting on. they had a live band at the bar tonight, it was great, buti still mean what i say.)

As far as regular members regulating other members, this would only lead to undesired results. On the other hand a negative karma type system could be a useful tool in determining what action to take regarding punishment for one's actions. Call it a member strike system, just like kudos you would only be able to give one to each member and accumulated strikes would be visible only to moderators. That is the only purpose and implementation I can think of and really, with the report system being like LH said, a "jerk alert" all that other stuff is quite unnecessary.

The Dark0ne's discretion is the only one in play concerning those matters and from time to time you will see him exercise it by issuing a posting ban rather than a complete ban. The only people that receive that kind of leniency however have made moderate to significant contribution to this forum. If you have made no contribution and your first remark or the majority of your remarks are less than contributory then you can not expect to be treated with respect. Like I have said previously, You have to give respect to get respect.

And on that note, I did not think it possible to think more highly of this site and it's moderators but low and behold, you have risen even higher. Kudos to you Dark0ne, Lhammonds and Buddah for setting the bar higher and demanding more from the members of this community. As the largest TES mod site ever you are in a position to lead the masses in the right direction and I am proud to see you exploiting that power for the greater good.

Though I do think this site could use at least one more moderator, I do not think that it is at all on the wrong path. In fact I think it will be around for a long time to come and I intend to support it and it's members in molding this community into something that will endure for many years and that we can all be proud of.

Love and Respect to AlienSlof, Thank You For All That You Do!

Long Live TES Community and Long Live TES Nexus

Nice and all to hear the moderators do their job and all, but i think i'll go back to the topic in hand

While i never agreed with nudity or any other type of "adult" material, alienslof will be missed by me. Nothing to do with her files, just that she was a talented modder. If she comes back and rads this i have this to say - I get criticism for most of my files, i just ignore them, if anyone can only think of daft things to say then there is something wrong with them, not you. Just ignore or report them and get on with doing what you enjoy

Stewb, your posts on this forum have been for the most part productive and for that reason I will let your subtly veiled crack at my off topic remarks slide this time. Here is a comment that is on topic, when you have 5 years of of that crap under your belt then come back and speak to us of how you just let it all slide like water off a ducks back. Personally I think she made a good decision as she hasn't left the world of TES modding, just public places that attract the sort of remarks that wear you down and will eventually break you, I don't care how thick your skin is.

no crack meant, i was just having a little joke, hence the smiley. don't worry bout that worm, i know what you meant

whenever i use the smiley it's meant to show that the comment is a joke and is in no way serious. well thats what it was originally used for when it first cropped up into my life so that's what i use it for. sorry if you think i was actually "taking a crack" at you.

I did at first but now i realize that was just your way of referencing the previous comment and leading off your own. I apologize as well for jumping to conclusions so it's all good Stewb

Love and Respect

Jeremy

Alienslof is truly a great modder, many of her mods where superb. The way people treated her is to say simply, criminal. I do hope that she wasnt hurt too much by that though...

As i stated when i posted this alienslof is not leaving modding, she has ditched all sites except her own because "kids" make stupid comments and dont know what they are saying.
If youwant slofs mods they will be available at her homesite.

As far as anybody reading anything, i dont think you guys have read my opening statement, Please post a link to her website as i am unable to do to a lack of knowledge.

On the lighter side of things, she also stated on her website, she will be floating around the various websites to see how things are going. I hope she posts things again, at least here.
In defense of this site and there moderators, i am sure the comment that hit her hardest and made her pull everything didnt come from here.

I guess all i can do is add slofs website to my favorites, and check it on occasion.

Here ya go einhander.

Slof's Hive

-T-

Slof is one of the finest modders this game has, and she is without peer in her genre. She has shared her prolific talents with this community and generously lent her talents to other modders. The variety of her mods is astounding, there was something for everyone, and it was all first class.

I am very saddened by Slof's departure, although I don't blame her, as I have also been on hiatus for some time myself. I probably have about a dozen mods that are not posted here because of the rudeness of a few...and like Giskard64, saying ignore them is no excuse, nor is assuming a modder should suffer the abuse for the sake of the few who are disenfranchised by the loss of the mods they would like to download.

Modding is a hobby we share. It produces material for the game that is otherwise not available. Quite simply it provides a greater range of choices and nothing more. If a mod doesn't suit, don't download; no comment necessary, it will suit someone else. Modders don't place their efforts on display for the abuse.

Modders work hard to produce ever finer and more creative mods. They share their work freely with the community and make the game a far richer experience for everyone. Sloth was no exception, all her mods are fine, but she consistently increased the range of her capabilities. I hope we won't miss seeing new works from this premier modder.

It indeed saddens me that the community Sloth worked so tirelessly for and shared so freely with, could have treated her so badly that she left. It says more about the community that it does Sloth, because we owed her some sort of respect, she didn't owe us a damn thing.

Well stated Bond, you have been most eloquent and it is appreciated.

i wish i could have worded it like that bond, i am glad someone has. Much appreciated here also.

I agree, that was the most eloquent statement I have read so far this year. Our community is so much richer for the presence of our senior members and I for one am glad to have you all. Kudos, Bond and exalts as well.

Premise: I have never downloaded a Slof's mod, but I have seen many of them. That's just because I mod the game only to tweak gameplay, not improve its aspect.

That said, I felt the need of expressing my sympathy to an artist who dedicated so much of her own spare time (my most valued and scarce resource) for free to a community that gave nothing back to her in change.

I felt very saddened to know that she retired all of her own work out of modding sites, but I strongly respect her decision. She has every right to do so.

Slof, I would be happy to see at least a goodbye post in this thread for all of those who appreciated your work and demonstrated to do so over the years.


With respect,

i disagree that we never gave anything back to her. People appreciate her work, the thing that chased her away was stupid immature comments, and people not understanding her, and why she made the mods she wanted, I understood why she did it and i support her, 100% in whatever she chooses to do. The problem is ( from what i get ) kids, immature kids that shouldn't download her stuff anyway, give stupid comments, like this is gay, or whatever.

Like i said before, I didnt like her robe trader cause it overwrote some stuff i didnt want overwritten. i love her Armors though, Not many people guy or girl have the guts to release such MATURE mods, with the quality she gives us. I aint saying goodbye because ill just go to her site. She isnt done modding. Just remeber if you like her stuff go to her site and support it. Dont just write her off as another person that quit, because she pulled her stuff from othersites.

She didnt quit just pulled her stuff, needs a break probably.

I support slof, a great modder that she is.

Respect, kudos, positive comments, are all nice things, but they do not earn you money.
I just meant that she, as every other modder, does it for free.

*Everyone: have a kudos each with my thanks for caring! It is very much appreciated.

Modding is in my blood - I was modding my toys as a little kid, modded my car, computer, even my home! I modded Doom way back when it was new, moved onto Quake, and more recently, Elder Scrolls. Customising stuff is as essential to my well-being as breathing! I am a big believer in individualism - I like to be different and do lots of things. Poor health means I can't be as active physically as I'd like, instead, I just turn to finding something that will keep my few remaining brain cells busy!

I get pleasure not just from creating, but also by sharing what I do. It's just the way I am. Being attacked for being generous is not acceptable in any community or culture. I have not stopped modding or sharing - I've just taken steps to take away the voices of those fools who hated me for being nice.

What hurts the most is when it is done in public for all to see as it was here. Someone signed up with the sole intent of insulting me. What I've done to upset this individual I will likely never know, but he saw fit to hurt me publicly. I don't quite understand why, but some people (always males, no less, never females) seem to hate this woman for liking and preferring men.

By restricting everything to my own site, I can at least maintain control over what's going on. I do occasionally get insults via email, but those don't bother me - they're not public. I can laugh at them and bin them, and no one else is any the wiser. I am not the one with problems - it's the trolls who have the problems, insecurities and hang-ups. While I grew up in a largely prudish family, my mother had been in the medical profession and she taught me that the body is a wonderful thing, a marvel of natural engineering, not something to be reviled or ashamed of. Sex in its natural state between consenting adults is not dirty, disgusting or perverted, it is purely natural and a great deal of fun.

Perhaps an easier coding option for DarkOne would be the ability for mod authors to disable commenting altogether. It's either on or off. I know it can be done to prevent ratings, but not sure if that prevents comments as well. It takes away the voices of the trolls, but download counts speak all the praise needed. Mod of the month, top 100, hall of fame, etc, don't matter a jot to me. I share because I want to, not for glory. I love perusing screenshots and youtube and finding my stuff being used and enjoyed. That gives me pleasure, not ego-stroking.

I am an artist - both professional and for my own fun. I 'play' Photoshop for a living. Art is my life. And for most artists, sharing is part of it. True, I don't get paid for modding - I'd probably not want to do it if I did! However, the community has given me as much back as I have shared. Not just in mods, but in friendships, advice, help - even had meshes made especially for me. One cannot put a price on that.

It is for exactly that reason that I am hosting my mods and continuing to share them, if only in a more limited capacity. My site does not require sign-ups or donations, stuff is free to be downloaded. I am doing this because the community has supported me loudly and with enthusiasm. It's my way of saying thanks!

@AlienSlof I know of no greater way of thanking us for supporting you than to continue doing what we love you for, Thanks again and peace be unto you for all your days.








To get to the bare bone roots of that matter you really must understand that if it were not for Bethesda's decree that all of our creations are their sole property and as such may be given away freely but not sold, I can tell you without the slightest doubt that every single person in this community that has given long hours and probably some pain as well, if given the chance to make money for their artistic and laborious creations would jump on it with both feet.

If a pricing system based on the official plugins for price/content ratio were in place I could damn sure see charging people say 1$US a pop for mods like
Deadly Reflex and Fran's. All intellectual property is valuable and the artists/creators of that property deserve compensation for enjoyment of it by others. Looking at it that way however, I'm glad Bethesda Didn't allow that because it would have taken all the fun out of the whole concept and participation would have been minimal.

Speaking of intellectual property (and bear with me on this, it might just blow your mind), as an aspiring 3D modeler I have searched the web for free resources and during my search I came across a lot of individuals and groups that are selling their models for considerable sums of money. 280$ for a 3D model of a fighter jet with two buys in 3 years. If I were a professional 3D modeler and I wanted to make money on my own selling my work piece by piece I sure as hell wouldn't be charging what the work was worth as a whole. Instead of charging 280$ and getting 2 sales I would charge one dollar for that model and have thousands of sales. Honestly, out of a billion people at least a few thousand of them would snatch up any resource such as that just for the sake of having it.

So there you have it, the next get rich quick scheme, flood the market with moderate to very good quality affordable 3D resources of all types and watch as the digital revolution shifts in to high gear. We will have hundreds of animation and game development studios pop up over night and of the maybe one percent that actually make it, who knows one might be another RockStar or Bethesda.

It's great to have a modder like you.

Thank you Slof for having taken care of coming back to greet this community !

Alienslof, it is a relief to know that you're okay and still in modding. I wish you good fortune and inspiration.

Hmm....I wonder what happens to a mod page if I go to the forums and simply delete the auto-generated comment topic for it...

I just tested this with this test page by manually deleting the auto-generated comment thread and it prevents the comments but it isn't exactly pretty.

So the possibility to prevent comments is there although it requires a moderator to do so and it is irreversible.

I assume the rating will not do anything with the comment thread gone but I do not know because when I tried it, I got an error message saying "you cannot rate your own mods" hehehe.

LHammonds