I hate people that post something, never come back to the post, for whatever reason but the post is like 2 entrys and that is it. I hope you get what i mean.

Edit:

what i meant by a place to vent is just Jabber on about something that pisses you off. Anything go ahead. shoot!
And um Gman the point being was said in my opening line. I know it takes time for a post to get a few comments.

Yeah, me too. Although sometimes I've done the same thing, but that was out of inexperience. Just the other day somebody posted a letter of thanks to the staff!

I also appreciate what the staff are doing, but come on, that thread is only taking up space and there isn't really anything you could reply to it. The forums at www.NAG.co.za have a nice system where you have to have 10 posts before you can start your own thread, wich works quite well and serves to get people to gain experience in what kind of topics people like and will reply to, maybe the mods should think about employing one here too.

He he... just like this one has been for quite some time now...

Yeah, that's annoying, especially when it's a help topic that you post, and NO ONE helps you!

You wanna know what's bad? If you post a topic that you think people will like and they don't. I was quite surprised when I got so many replies on my Poorly Defended topic, although most were negative.

I know you mean. I posted a couple or so topics, all they generic, places where people could contribute with their opinions and experiences. And they were took as personal if not completely inverted in their meant.

I know too that my spelling don't help, as I'm learning yet to speak English and some grammatical constructions I create are far from ideal, some aren't even good (I have difficulties even to avoid using so many pronouns as in my native language the own verb conjugation defines the person and tense).

So I decided to not create topics, nor even attend to the ones of mine anymore At least until I'm secure enough not being misunderstood at the things I try to mean.

Well, people are so unpredictable sometimes. You may never know what attracts their attention - and what doesn't, except for nude anime girls, of course.

Yeah, but I geuss nude girls might be going a bit too far...

But what really makes me go mad with rage is when you state your opinion and some deranged person just goes completely nuts because you don't agree with him/her.

Oh? Really?


Well... that seems to be the eternal problem for manking, not just the forum, one goes mad on another, another goes mad at first one going mad, then their friends arrive and go mad, and so on...

I mostly pay no attention whether people like what I said or not. I may only soften my words to avoid being rude. After all I treat flattery as disrespect to both sides. It all comes to a problem however, when one meets a person too used to flattery and fame, and such person may no longer imagine him/herself not being a god for everyone. I saw such things here, and the celebrity was far more rude than the "offender".
Slightly offtopic, sorry about that.

There was also something else on topic I forgot to add. Remember theLeeHarvey's topic on originality and gallery? It went completely ignored by those people it was addressed to. Gallery pictures didn't change at all. Same cute girls spam as always.

Seems to me more probable that the spammers, as it were, don't read the forums. Especially considering the nature of the dialogue in the "Please say it isn't just me, sexy women in Oblivion" thread.

Well it could be wonderful if administration would state this picture spam against the rules, but it both may be too cruel, and discussing it here has little relation to the topic. And what of spammers... I guess they rarely read anything beside exited comments like "great pic!!!!!!!" or "cool!!!!!!", and so on.

Oh, kinda like getting excited about finding Monopoly money ?!

I Also hate it when people post 10-15 pictures of crap. I wont name names but if you go to the image thing youll see em. ( AKA Spammers) I think ill try to post 50 GOOD pictures and see if i get banned. ( might take me a few weeks to make em )

And i Also hate that adoring fan that follows me around everywhere when i kill that orc in the arena. But i am no murderer...................yet.

This is a very good idea so long as there is a newbie area for Help Me threads, then keep the rest of the board off limits till you meet the requirements. That way new people get a chance to look around the site for threads to post to. This in turn would slow down the revolving thread problem where people start the same topics over and over.

Personal Opinion - Change the Necromancy rule to 60 or 120 days. People would tend to recycle topics. Topics would fill out and more throughly cover the subject. Which in turn (because people would be reading a little more than writing) would result in fewer but better topics.

Storm Raven

Wait, I paid attention to that topic for a while, I don't remember it turning particularly ugly, unless you counted ninjalord666's "spirited" method of debate. I was actually surprised the figurative defence of an imaginary empire went as far as it did.

Honestly though, I really don't hate anything particular to this forum. There's a surprising amount of maturity here you don't see on other boards, esp. game related.

Though I suppose if I could hate one thing it's when traffic slows and there seem to be no relevant posts for days at a time.

Read the rule on Thread Necromancy a little closer. If you have something substantiative to add, it can be a year old and not be considered thread necromancy. The purpose is to keep people from adding SPAM replies like "hey, good idea" to a topic that died and doesn't deserve to be "reviewed" again.

LHammonds

I agree with Doomjockey, i hate it when it slows down. i wish i joined here and got everything back when i bought this game. oblivion sat on my shelf for a year before i even played it.

Oh, I've got another one.

I don't particularly like when someone composes an "informative" list out of acronyms. You've seen these lists: BGI, BGII, PT, HL2, GTA, FF, M&M, DoW, FO2, WoW, CoH, CoV, etc.

It gets confusing when the poster assumes the games he plays are so popular he never need spell out the whole title.

I concur, doomjockey. There was a song about something like that, all though it anoyyed the heck out of me, it has thankfully left my mind.

It sounds good to me that someone noticed it and wrote it down. If you look at the thread, it was then that I stopped posting, because I didn't wanted to flame.

As for the OP, it is somewhat related to this: I do not like when someone attacks on these forums just because they can. Luckily, moderators do a wonderful job about it, and discussion is almost always mature and polite, as it should be.

And when it is not, I just change thread.

What irritates me further is if people post in dead topics and only post 1 sentence.

yeah i think we can all agree that a few stupid people can ruin anyones day
and i agree with doomjockey i cant stand how everyone has to use texting lingo in everything this is precisely why i always spell everything out at least the first time its mentioned
ie "when i left the imperial palace i forgot something and went back to the IC"

Here is something I really don't like: The rating system (any rating system)

Why? Because it does not reflect an accurate measure of a mod in many cases.

For example:

MyMod version 1.0 is released.
- 10 bugs found and was rated on average of 4/10 due to the bugs.
MyMod version 1.1 is released.
- 10 bugs fixed, 2 more found, 4/10 average rating still exists for the old version and the rating is unfair for the new version.

NOTE:
- People, especially those that voted low, do not generally come back to re-evaluate the new version.
- Creating a new page for another version removes the unjustified ratings for the new version but is a bad idea because people that have downloaded the mod might not see the new release, the new file does not show the history of the mod over time (download counts, comments, etc.), the site can get quickly cluttered with tons of the same mods with different version numbers.

Solution? There isn't one that I know of. But if I run across a mod with issues, I give constructive criticism (which means I voice my concerns about the implementation and give suggestions for solutions) to give the author a chance to improve the mod. Why? Because I would likely become part of the problem if I take points away from the mod and do not come back to re-evaluate it after the changes have been made.

EDIT: Well, there is one solution to help alleviate the issue although it is not a silver bullet. The rating is current at the root-level of the mod. Maybe the vote system needs to be moved down to the file-level now that multiple files can be hosted on one page. When voting, you could pick from a drop-down of which file you are voting / commenting on. That way, the comment left behind will be absolutely clear to readers months down the road that the issues reported was based on a specific version. If bugs were reported in version 1.0 in the comments and the reader notices that the mod is now on version 1.9, it's a fair bet they can conclude that the issues raised in the comments might actually be non-issues for the current version. As it stands today, you can read through 10 pages of comments for a mod and not know which version the comments were talking about. It is up to the commenter to specify which version as well as the modder keeping a "history" section in their description that states when versions were released to allow readers to decipher what version the comments "might" have been directed towards.

LHammonds

I agree but might i just add, I hate people that hate a 5,6,7,8 in there rating. Does it not say in the rasting list that a 5 is good? I hate people that have no real sense of what rating is.
I am not just going to give a Perfect 10 to a mod because it works with no bugs. That mod has to be what i wanted, it has to be what the read me said, and it has to be worth keeping on my computer to even earn a 10.

So really what i am saying is i hate people that just automaticallly rate something 10,because it gave them that "feeling" for a moment. I think only kids give that rating all the time.
so with that being said if i rate something of yours and only give you a 5, that doesnt mean i am not using it or dont like it, it means i personally found a problem with it, and posted what the problem is, and hope you will fix it so i can re-rate it.

A 5 doesnt mean your stuff sucks. It means it is good.

although i have given a few 10's, that doesnt mean i didnt give an 8 or nine somewhere else. If you get an 8 from me. Feel happy, feel great, if you get a five from me, feel the same way, because i didnt hate your mod. It only means it was good. not great or perfect. Feel pride in the five.

I'm just saying that modders and players should not rely solely on the rating system as a judge of the mods worth whether it be a high or low number and to take it with a grain of salt no matter what site you are on. There are many ways to get an "idea" about the mod...description, comments, download counts, upload date, rating, author, screenshots, etc.

I've said it before but I'll say it again, if authors are actively search for critical feedback and a better analysis of their mod, they need to create a "review form template" of items they want feedback on so that reviewers can have a checklist to go by when installing and playing the mod. Each template would really need to be custom-tailored for each mod as no single template would work for every author (IMO).

Example

___ (1 to 10) - Was the description an accurate account of the mod?
Further Details: _______________________________________________

___ (1 to 10) - Was the install / uninstall instructions easy to follow?
Further Details: _______________________________________________

___ (1 to 10) - How was clipping issues with the new armor?
Further Details: _______________________________________________

___ (1 to 10) - Does the sword stats match what you would expect?
Further Details: _______________________________________________

___ (1 to 10) - Was it a good idea to provide enchanted and non-enchanted versions of everything?
Further Details: _______________________________________________

___ (1 to 10) - Were the creatures a tough challenge for your character?
Further Details: _______________________________________________

___ (1 to 10) - Did you enjoy the quest overall?
Further Details: _______________________________________________

___ (1 to 10) - Are you likely to suggest this mod to a friend?
Further Details: _______________________________________________

___ Total (add all points together and divide by the number of questions.

I thought about adding samples like this to my Readme Generator but there are simply too many to choose from and if I only listed 10 as an example, people would only use those 10 as some sort of official standard (which is not exactly a good idea for something that needs to be tailored for each kind of mod)

LHammonds

That seems very interesting, how could it be used aside from asking every modder to make one, along with the read me. I'll be honest, When i look for a mod the first thing i do is read the comments to see what kind of bugs have come up, If it has that "problem" with texture paths as i have learned with windspear tower and slofs robes, i wont download it because changi ng the path in the construction set really seriously seems to be going right over my head.

But honestly, even if you have something like that some jerk will 1 everything because he just cant figure how to install it or where to find something. or he will fill it out with dumb comments.

what would be better for kids to understand and easier for a modder to just ignore and not feel offended by, would be a feedback tab, with strict guidelines to what feedback would be.
allthough it might make a modderators job a little harder, the community could fill in and at least report bogus feedback.

And in some circumstances buddahs insta-ban may come into play. like when people write.........This Mod is a f---ing peice of S--t, or this mod is gay, and thats all they right. You would need to figure out some standards for all mods in general, and then link it according to the tag with extra questions, So if it says maybe, Armor and weapons on the tag, it will have armor and weapons questions related to it. Like how did the armor appear in game, ( texture, build, ectectect.) although pale_rider might need to define better his awsome armor might appear a little ( and i cant really tell myself ) bit bigger. Although it might be buggy with the tag thingy it would be worth it.

As saying though strict guidelines state what constitutes as insta ban or a warning or whatever. State that you need to give honest feedback. Dont do it because you cant figure it out. Also make it clearly written that you cannot ask how to make the mod work or ask where the item is or how you start the quests ect. That would be what the comments would be for.

Anyway just an idea........

You're missing the point with this. The feedback / review form would be for the modder...thus, if the modder wants somebody to review the mod and pay particular attention to what was done in the mod that is important to them. This format would be more helpful to the author than the players although some info could be gleaned from these reviews. The current process has reviewer staring at a blank editor window which is 100% free-form feedback which has not been particularly helpful.

Many people do not understand how to review and rate mods which is why you see so many 10/10 or 1/10 votes which are the extremes out of the choices.

If you review a mod to give it a rating (1 thru 10), you need to look at it from one of three view points:

Viewpoint #1 - Mod starts with no points and has to earn all of them (which means you need to have a 10 possible points that ANY mod could earn)

or

Viewpoint #2 - Mod starts with an average rating (such as 5/10) and does not change unless exceptional items (good or bad) are found. This is generally used if you don't have a any kind of standard checklist.

or

Viewpoint #3 - Mod starts with 10 points and looses points when issues are found (which also means you need to have no more than a possible 10 points to loose for ANY mod.


For viewpoints #1 and #3, it's easy to screw this all up by not having pre-established values that allow for a full 10 points to be earned / lost. If you have 100 items that a mod can loose a point for, you are doing a dis-service to the community and the author if you weight those those items as 1-to-1 rather than a 10-to-1 ratio....meaning you would need to find 10 of the 100 possible problems you look for before you can deduct a point from the mod to reduce the vote to a 9/10 vote. If you cannot install a mod and issue a 1/10, that means you were only reviewing the installation process or you were simply biased (worthless vote)

As I have not see anyone here with this kind of voting system in mind, especially by explaining this system when they vote, these votes are really just a thumbs up or thumbs down kind of vote.

Reviewing / Rating a mod is really a bit complex and you simply would not see many people doing a full review on a mod....even if you did, I'm sure you'd get nit-picked if your laundry list is not some kind of a "standard"

So, like I said, I haven't seen any voting system that works very well and they basically just turn into popularity votes. If the mod is well-received, it gets more votes.

What was I getting at??? Oh ya, I don't like rating systems.

I HATE:
Dorks that don't use turn signals when they drive.
Loud thumpy music.
People that don't check their brake lights once in awhile to make sure they work.
Rudeness.
Telemarketers.
Tons of salt in food.
Women in clothing.
People that don't look at my screenshots. Yeah, I know who you are.
People that whine and bitch about things.....

Ditto.



I am sure several people will agree with you...



Not I!



Who doesn't (besides people who whine and bitch about things )?

1)People who are so obsessed with immersion and roleplaying that they completely bork their character with "realistic thirst/hunger" and flame anyone who uses the console even for fixing bugs.

2)Lore-obsessed people who flamebait anyone who makes a quest mod that doesn't fit with the storyline.

3)People who want the next TES V to be rated M so that Bethesda can put a lot of crap in it (This one is why I got flamed on the BGS forums)

4) Overhauls for Oblivion because they're hardder to uninstall than to install.

5) Grinding levels in any game.

6) Level scaling.

7) People who troll TES Discussion threads and put garbage that should be censored in there, claiming that they are discussing the Daggerfall storyline(which was arguably the worst Elder Scrolls game. If not for Daggerfall a lot of the trolls wouldn't be here.)

People who flame me for wanting TES V to be rated T.

I see what your saying now sorta, i guess.....all i could say is only in a perfect world. The current rating system probably is stopping me from finding that one mod i have been looking for to tip oblivion over the edge and actual make me not take breaks from playing it. Minus when the real world happens, kids, work , family. thats why i only come out at night........

That sounds nice as an initial thought but I'm quite happy that clothing is a requirement most of the time.

I enjoyed what eveybody had to say, now that I have forgotten what the topic was, and I'm cross-eyed. Ok, bare with me I've had a lot of coffee, and I'm feeling a bit manic. I'm not as mature as I could be, but there is one thing that I've learnt to keep me sane: Accept The Things You Can Not Change". No I haven't gone to any NA meetings
People are going to spam, post nudy chicks, etc. I'm not condoning it, but I would be a hypocrite to say "for shame". I can admit I've been guilty of it. At anytime feel free to PM me and tell me to get the f!%k off my soap box.
One thing needs to be said is thank God for the Moderators, because forums can be a nightmare. We need the rules and guidelines to keep it safe, and to keep the stuff people hate under control. I can bleat on, but I'll stop now.
The one thing that I hate is stuffing myself full, because I can, and then seeing on the news. A poor bloke in a poor country making a mixture of melted butter, salt, and dirt, to bake and serve to his family.

Women in Clothing? Just to keep one thing straight I really like men, but nothing sexier than seeing a women in a see through black top (long enough to cover all the good bits), and wearing nothing underneath.

Mozzibby, you have the best timing to lighten the mood

Some of them for comedy relief.
Some to remind me not to eat so much.




I'll argue the point with you about the "nothing sexier than seeing a". Phooey on "a". More is better, like in a bevy. <Sigh>...sometimes I miss my photographic days......
Oh, and thanks on the compliment (blushing profusely), but I take a lighter view on life, like the statements in my signature.

I hate the fact that I crashed my hard drive. I hate the fact that I have had to rely on the kindness of others to get it all working again. I hate the fact that I have had to borrow my son's laptop to come here again. I hate the fact that my family look at me like I was some kind of war criminal for crashing said hard drive, and losing their junk. I hate this laptop. Zoostorm... what kind of name is that!? A wind that blows the smell of wild animal pucky all over you... that's a Zoostorm. I hate it that there is no mouse, just this pathetic little plastic screen for me to move my finger on. I miss my mouse. I like my mouse. I hate this laptop. I hate the fact that I wanted to come back on to Nexus so bad that I had to go on my belly to beg my son to lend me his precious 'Wind of Caged Wild Animals'. I hated having to assure him that I wouldn't break his precious.... Who does he think he is? I've crashed more harddrives than he's had hot dinners! I hate that I look old and pathetic and infirm just because I crashed the damned pc.

I hate the fact that, while I'm whining about my broken pc, there are tens of thousands of people dying in Asia, as well as in the other usual places. I hate the fact that , for some reason, a broken pc matters more to me than this fact. I hate the fact that there is nothing I can really do that would have any permanent solution to the fact of so many people dying, needlessly, in the world. I hate the fact that I think that the world is too overcrowded anyway, so....

I hate me.

EDIT: I hate the fact that I'm completely off topic, and that I've only just noticed.

I hate me even more.

I hate people that get all religous in a forum. Kinda sickning. Should repsect other cultures by not doing that as there are people of different faiths that come here.

Chesto your right on topic. But might i just say Crappy things happen ( your PC )

^In all honesty, I'm not religious, but I never really understood the idea of religious tolerance from those that are. I mean, if said person with a different faith is going to not only set himself up for eternal punishment, but potentially pass that view on to his children and such, damning them as well...

I hate people that say they'll do something and then they don't.
I hate forgetting the names of the threads I've commented in and then can't get back to them.
I hate people that leave used diapers in parking lots.
I hate dorks that throw their cigarettes out their car windows.
I hate people that act innocent when they fart in crowded elevators.
I hate the fact I can't dance like that dude in gman021's sig.

I find it interesting that I can agree with most of the stuff you say, mosiziby.

What I really hate, is when you are telling someone about how absolutely TERRIBLE your day has been, and they don't even listen and then they say, "You know, your life is paradise compared to starving people in Third World Countries." then you think, "Gahh! I know that, and it makes me feel
even worse because I can't do anything major to help!"


BTW, mosiziby, thank you for the Compliment on my sig! I was going to have it as my avatar, but I'd was too big...

*Yawns*Well, I'd better turn in for the night... G'night all!

Yeah, I hate it that some people have crappy lives.
I hate flamers that disgust modders enough so they quit.
I hate it when people mess up and won't admit it.
I hate people that insist on telling you how their day sucked, not knowing yours may have sucked more.
I hate it when people say something is too big. Well, except when women say that....
I also hate it when people say they're signing off and I see they're still logged in.
I hate having to leave when I'm having fun.

sounds like you have a downer lol
I hate xbox live
I hate xbox lives service charge
I hate microsoft
I hate companys that steel others brilliant ideas (like microsoft)
I hate Walmart
I hate most police officers
I HATE people who think thier to good for something whether its a job, position, ect.
I HATE THE WORD NOOB AND ALL WHO USE IT!!!
I hate false promises and scams
I HATE THE GOVERNMENT!(U.S. one) with thier manipulation of people promising them healthcare, medicare, social security, and other crap the government isnt responsible for!
i mean think about it, all the governments suppose to do is to secure our rights, provide for the POOR ONLY, natural disasters and thats it all they need to run is the police army and a few support organizations
the govt sucks with money we have put so much money into the poor that each homeless man should get 3000 bucks a month! so why are they still homeless??!?!?!?!?!??!
why does it take the govt billions where private companys only take millions to achieve the same goal
its because theres no competition! theres no other govtments to choose from so they dont need to push prices or conserve funds
i say all these workers programs and healthcare and anything run by the govt except military and police should be private companies
then you choose the best one with all that extra money from smaller taxing means only 10% of what you pay on taxes today

also what most people dont realize is our country, as a whole, is in debt
i mean africa should be sending US donations! while there at an even zero where in the negatives
our country is currently running on money that doesnt exist somehow where running on empty and one of these days this inaccuracy will be fixed and the doller will inflate so much it will be just about as worthless as the german mark

not to mention manipulating our fear of terrorists i mean get over it! you think 9/11 was bad? more than three times the teenagers are killed in car accidents every year
i just wish people would stop suckling on politicians and do thier own research NEVER WATCH THE NEWS AGAIN!!! and gather information on your own there are very few trustable souces of opinion but your own judgment is better than thier opinion. dont bother reading articles that say I think, I believe ect. just dont best is statistical data and facts


. . . . .whew that was a long rant
sorry for those of you not living in the U.S. its kinda in a perspective of if you lived here
and excuse my spelling and punctuation this is a rant not a essay contest

hi, i've been following what you have been talking about concerning rating.



honestly, I didn't follow all the way through the thread. I was wondering, well I might just take it upon myself anyway that from henceforth I will add as a simple little post (would be nice that the site bot did this automatically upon uploading the new mod) to rate this mod in a simple manner with a small description as a guidline much like quality service feedbacks do at times.

such as ..



my reasoning is, it no longer gives a point system visibly to the viewers but will give values to the appropriate decisions where the mod could be rated from the eyes of the viewers. Furthermore, now the comments could be only what they had to say and obviously that path could be monitored very well.

Do you see the logic?

lol, stalkers. I hate them too. Especially that one in Skingrad. I hate that city too. It means I have to run into that stalker, which as soon as I do, I put on my boots of speed +1000. RUN AWAAAAY!

*Shudders* Yeah. I spent one afternoon running away and hiding from him... (Glarthir)

It was rather creepy...

I can't stand it when people request (or, even worse. suggest) mods that would obviously be huge to the point of undoable.

He totally creeped me out. My character is an elf babe and this little fart kept following me, going "hey, you, yes, you". Keeping in character, I lured him out of town, hid in some bushes, and planted an arrow in his nose. If he'd come up to me and introduced himself, it may have been different. Wonder what ever happened to his body ?

I have a REALLY creepy story about that. So, I see Glarthir walking towards me, so I run. He runs after me. I jump into a little crevice between a house and a wall, thinking I've lost him. Nope! There he is, walking slowly towards me while I am trapped...


Ah, yes, back to the topic at hand.

I hate it when you did something bad, and you don't tell anyone but you think they know, but you can't ask them, because you don't know if they REALLY DO know or not... This happened to be just tonight...

Mod conflicts and CTDs!
Reinstaling 10+ gigs of mods one by one! :cry:

10 Gigs?! That's over twice the size of Oblivion itself!

Don't ya just hate it when things get that big. Eight gigs is big enough, but 10 is something to hate.
And speaking of hate-- I hate it when people take their dancing dudes out of their sigs, cheating me of simple entertainment....

Oh, wait, there he is. I hadn't logged in when I was looking at the forum and decided to make a comment on it. Duh on me.
Maybe in a few years, I'll snap to this place.

Ummm... I didn't take him out...

I hate it when you have a very valid point to an argument, and yet NO ONE else hears it! They just keep saying the same thing over and over and OVER again!

It just drives me nuts!