Have never, EVER, played games online. Would like to have a go at MATURE-ish MMO. Not cyber-sex, though if offered would probably not say no. Not Space. Not WW2 , or any other modern, or futuristic wars. Like ancient, fantasy, oriental, etc.. Don't mind a bit of grinding. Don't want to get ripped off, too often, by other players, or the developers. Don't want to waste time with flamers. Don't want to have to break my brain trying to figure out how to get 'hooked up'.
Conan, not out yet, looks good. Warhammer? Eyecandy appreciated, if only for aesthetic reasons.( Yuh. Raiiiight!)

Anyone care to offer advice, suggestions. Some elaboration on suggestions would be appreciated. Lists not much use.
Thanks in advance. Be gentle with me.

Oh yeah... haven't got hours and hours to play so....

Chesto, your expectations are too high. There are about 10 negatives in your post above. One of these aspects is likely to appear in the MMORPG whether you like it or not (most likely you'll get ripped off or offered sex or both)

Having said that I am a MMORPG noob myself- started one game - but lost the link, forgot the name pf the game!!! and as the experience was not great- am not dying to try it again.

Am downloading (1.16GB) EVE online at the moment - which promises to be great (me being a great fan of Elite in the 80s) - so will update you as soon as I get into it (though you do not want space... and do not have hours and hours....)

(why don't you quit while you are ahead?)

Salut samroski!

Expect you're right about the expectations. I thought that I would get all the limitations out there first, then work back through them, caving in as I go.

Even though it's space, EVE does look rather intriquing. Have been reading some of the posts about it elsewhere on this site. Seems rather like a lot of hard work, though. I get enough of that in real life.

But... will be interested to hear what you have to say about it.

Cheers, mate.

Guild Wars. Used to play, ran out of time for it.


Not too sure what you mean by this.


In towns and mission staging areas, things are strictly business. In PvE, virtually all other contact with players is with those in your guild or (if in a mission) party. You can get invited to or leave a guild at any time, and you can party up with anyone you want.


Check.


It's all sword and staff.


For each of the three campaigns, things are timed such that just through playing the missions and some miscellaneous quests, you'll max out your level when less than halfway through. All character enhancement after that (aside from armor, weapons, &c.) is done by buying a skill or else finding a unique, high-level creature and assassinating it to learn its skill; skills are a general term for special weapon attacks, spells, and all that nonsense. If you're really desperate to work on levelling something by the "kill stuff" route, you can always try to max out the level of an NPC party member or a tamed animal or something.


Some of the prices are weird, but the cities where most trade happens are packed, so you'll probably get multiple offers for common stuff. The last time I played, the developers were trying to implement a system where NPC merchants would adjust their prices according to what's happening in player-to-player trade; I don't know how far that's gotten now. As a last resort, you can always just ask for a price check on an item or look online.


See above. Overall, the players are pretty nice, though. Whenever I needed some income, I just did I running service and asked for whatever the clients thought was fair; I always managed to make the going rate or a bit more, and had a lot of people ask for more runs in addition to that and even get their guildmates in. The missions can get frustrating, though, which in some cases leads to misplaced aggression or outright apathy when you join a party with random people---but you can always make up a party with your guildmates or use NPCs.


Don't really know what you mean by this, either.


No shortage of that. Since you max out your level so early, the devs have put in lots of "status symbols" that are difficult to obtain.


There aren't any monthly fees, so you aren't really making a commitment to get your money out of it every month. It's pretty easy to approach it casually and take a few weeks (months?) off at a time if need be. Just as long as you can find a new guild, I mean.

Marxist... many thanks for taking the time to reply, and so comprehensively.

None of my posts would be complete without self-generated, vague ambiguities. Can ambiquity be other than vague? :

Mature= non-kiddy; all the blood and gore plus nekid wimmin... occasionally, but not necessary. See: Eye Candy.

Don't want to break my brain= ease of download, interface, etc., etc..

Again, thanks. Will check it out, STAT.

Kiddy stuff definetly comes out in full force for holiday events. In Prophecies, there's a sort of prelude where things are a bit light, but then everything gets burninated and it all changes to decapitations, ritual murder of native peoples, hunting down races of demigods, &c. Bikini armor and swords as big as houses are both checks.

Interface... Well, that I don't really know about. From what I recall, it's been prety much streamlined so that hardcore PvPers can just let their muscle memory take over.

EDIT: I just downloaded the client again, and logged in for the first time in what I think is a year. My characters are still there. So yeah, just skipping out for months at a time and coming back like nothing happened is a definite possibility. Maybe I'll get a back into the game a bit before my coursework starts to get heavy again.

EDIT 2: gw.exe -image: 111860 files remaining. If you Google and find some way for people to send invites, I'll send one your way.

I strongly recommend you try eve online. You may well not like it, as it most certainly is not for everyone, but it has by far the maturest player base I have ever seen, and unlike most traditional MMOs, you do not have to be playing the game to improve your character; your skills train even when you're offline (even when your subscription has expired, though that has limited use except for casual players who are waiting for really long ones to train), so it can be as much or as little work as you like. As for the not wanting to get ripped off too often by other players... the entire economy is player-controlled, so as a rule things are pretty fair, you just need to be careful not to buy really high orders which people may have put up in an attempt to manipulate the market.

I highly recommend you try the 14-day trial (or 21-day if you get it through steam), and if you decide to carry on playing, I can point you to a few corporations dedicated to helping newer players get the hang of things.

Marxist... have looked at the Guild site. Rings all the bells! Googled as per.... Broke brain. Presuming that you are extending an Invite to join a/your Guild should I ever get going. Thanks. My reading of helpful site bumpf suggests that Invitations can take place in game, and by someone with enough experience/reputation, whatever, so.... Shall seriously think about popping down the shops, when the holiday closing is over, to buy disk(s). Are updates/addons required to play? Many thanks for your help and advice.

The_T... Am going to have a more comprehensive 'look' at EVE. Even though 'Space', it looks v. good, and you make it sound inviting. Many thanks to you, too, for your interest.

Nothing, other than aforementioned time constraints... and basic inbuilt incompetence, that should prevent me from playing both!

Things are sort of complicated as far as updates go. The original Guild Wars you'll find in stores has been rebranded "Guild Wars Prophecies" (see: "Star Wars IV: A New Hope") and since then an expansion pack for it has come out. I think you may be able to find both the original game and the expansion in one retail box under the name "Guild Wars Platinum." Between those two releases, two stand-alone campaigns were released---Factions and Nightfall. Prophecies, Factions, and Nightfall all work together, and the game servers will support any combination of the three; however, the expansion pack must be used with Prophecies.

Content in each of the three campaigns and the expansion is subject to continuous updates, to the point where you'll practically have to re-download the entire game if you buy Prophecies retail. Having any one of the campaigns gives you access to a set of core content (the engine, PvP, &c.), which is also continuously updated. Events and so on affect all three campaigns, with some exceptions---IE, as far as I know, there is only minimal observance of the Chinese New Year in the North African-oriented Nightfall campaign.

As far as a guild goes, you're on your own. I was talking about sending you one of those x weeks/y hours trial passes, but it looks like those are only for betas. PM me, though, and I'll give you my character name; it gets almost impossible to find a monk once you get really late into the Prophecies campaign.

I played Guild Wars back in beta and after release so can't vouch for it now, but I got bored before completeling it. It played to me like a cross between Neverwinter Nights and Hellgate:London. Lots of instancing with the MMO elements only coming from towns and cities where you trade and look for groups to do said instances. Bored me silly.

Seriously, I'd just go for World of Warcraft and get it over with!

Advertising WoW in a thread like this is akin to going up to the wannabe-stoners' table at a local middle school cafeteria and pushing felony amounts of black tar heroin.

WoW is a great first-timer MMO, no doubt about that, where as Guild Wars isn't an MMORPG.

Am feeling rather sheepish....

Having checked out the suggestions made, I realize that I just wont have the spare time to spend on any of them to do justice. Many thanks for the suggestions and advice. Sorry to anyone who feels they have wasted their time

BTW, just as a help to anyone else who may be interested in this, what is the difference between a MMO and a MMORPG?

Cheers, and ... baaaaa.

would appreciate the contacts

Started playing Eve day before. Am taking some notes- and I'll put them online for you Chesto. Will post the link here later.

Edit: have posted the notes at the Wormhole- check if you can access them or not

Edit edit: have removed the link above. Will try and make these visible. Have posted the notes in post #24 in this thread

Edit edit edit: Try this place (nexus)

Edit edit edit edit: Visible now at the wormhole, where the updates will be more regular

Thanks again, sam.... That site requires that I register. Tempted to do so, but wont because it will be yet another 'drain' on rapidly depleting spare time.

OK. ( 16:30 hrs ) So I'm a blancmange. Have reg'd to Worm. Unfortunately, there was an 'error' when I clicked on your link, sam....

Hope The _Terminator reads this so that he may help you out.

OY! The _Terminator! SEE ABOVE. ( No expenditure of precious fishy sticks required )

Can't recommend EVE Online highly enough. I've been playing it for nearly 2 years now, and if there's such a thing as a 'maxed out' character I'm nowhere near it yet.

For the first few months I was doing PvE - running missions, ratting in high sec. Then I joined a pirate corporation, and got my introduction to PvP.

I was part of an alliance that worked together to build an outpost in one of the then newly opened up regions, an alliance that shortly after the outpost was completed stabbed my corporation in the back, eventually leading to the corporation leaving the alliance altogether.

Joining a new corporation made me a member of the most despised and universally hated alliance in EVE - Privateers. We were at war with about 70% of EVE at the time - it was the last big Privateers campaign before the game developers changed the game mechanics. After the 0.0 political game, being in Privateers was like playing EVE on speed - it was a constant adrenaline rush and undocking from a station pretty much guaranteed a fight with one of our many war targets.

Once the game mechanics change took effect my corporation left Privateers and joined another alliance. And although I only was in Privateers for 10 days it still causes quite a reaction when I mention my career history.

After a while my corporation decided to move to a different region of 0.0 space, and our small pvp gangs of about 5 - 10 people were some of the most fun I've had in EVE. With our gangs being led by very experienced PvPers we were taking a lot of risks - sometimes we won, sometimes we had to run, sometimes we lost our ships. But we had fun.

For the last few months I've been in alliances involved in the 'Great War' in the south. This involves a different kind of PvP - being a member of large battleship fleets attacking strategic targets, capturing or defending stations, protecting the capital ship fleets. Watching a whole fleet all use a jumpbridge at once, using a titan's jump portal - those must be among the most spectacular sights in EVE. And there's a lots of behind the scenes politics - temporary truces, shifting alliances etc.

And there's so much more to EVE yet - I've only dabbled a bit in trading, I haven't looked much at all at the industrial aspects (other than building ammunition), I haven't even started training to fly capital ships, there's dedicated roleplaying corporations...

It can be a bit daunting it first because there is just so much to it - but it's so worth persevering

Oh maaaan! Feeling resolve weakening. May just have to start work even earlier to find some new spare hours! Who needs sleep at my age!?

What alliance are you in now, Theta?



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Odyssey. - formed recently by 4 corps breaking away from IAC

Are you looking for 0.0 space or pirating/missioning around low sec? Can't see you on the influence map.

You'd have to look for us on the in-game sov map... wayyyyy down in the corner

I posted a reply over on that thread Samroski linked to, but I'll post it here as well in case people cant access it.

This is after Sam spent a while wandering round aimlessly trying to figure out how to play the game, and also trying to apply to the corporation EVE University, which is dedicated to helping new players get the hang of the game, and to teaching them everything they know to find their way around it. I highly recommend all new players join it.



And Dark0ne, we might be seeing each other in-game very soon - I've applied to Pezco, in BRUCE, and just need to wait for a time when me and their recruitment officer are online at the same time, so I can have an interview before I get accepted.

Awesome, PEZCO offer an awesome ship-building service that is way below retail. Ordered 10 Ravens off them the other day that came to around 850m. Not bad for 0.0, considering it keeps with Empire prices, if not lower than Empire prices!

BRUCE is probably one of the best alliances for new comers to be joining atm, especially if you're not looking to get thrown in at the deep end. Offers quite safe ratting, huge PoS/fleet battles and smaller roaming gangs, as well as some above average ratting drops and very good mining belts.

Just don't go near my ratting system (I'm a faction spawn WHORE) and we'll be all cool!

My apologies Chesto and to others for linking to a private area. I'll try and make these visible. In the meantime here are the notes to date:

Entry

There was miscommunication and conflict between the instructions I was being given and what was actually happening.

Through sheer ineptitude I had managed to dispose off an unfriendly vessel. At this point due to the above mentioned miscommunication I managed to engage 2 more unfriendlies.

In my total disorientation, I took heavy damage and tried to outrun them. This was not successful.

Finally managed to take a few calm breaths, pushed a couple of right buttons- and hey!

Have mined a nearby asteroid- they all seem to be veldspar around here.



Training

There was constant conflict during training. Rameen was at my side throughout, and she got her way in all the important decisions. I dare say I had much less influence on her career choices.

I ended up with:

Samroski
Calderi
Male
Deteis
Science and Trade Institute
Science and Trade Institute
Business
Scientists
Executive Commander
0.00
2008.03.20 22:00:00
807,667
Clone Grade Alpha (900,000)

Intelligence 15
Perception 7
Charisma 9
Willpower 7
Memory 7


Read the Manual

They had told me to orbit at 2500, but I couldn't even see them. Finally got in real close and manually picked them out. Miscommunication again.

On the way back saw the reckage of a rookie (xsomehtin123456789). Felt bad about taking the cargo, and was wondering if it was legal. None of the 30 or so police ships in the vicinity seemed to take notice.

Took me half an hour to transfer my cargo to the station storage facility (this despite apparently clear instructions).

Thought it was a good time to get some missiles. Bought the hardware required, but when it was time to install it, I noticed there were no slots for it. Damn. Should always read the manual.

Am lugging this launcher (and a couple of misiles that I bought after I had realized my error- just couldn't resist) in my cargo, and going to look for Eve University.



Eve University

Found the regional office of Eve University. Unfortunately was unable to apply due to difficulties in communication with their database. There was conflict between the user interface and the underlying hardware security settings. This may take time to fix.

In the meantime I upgraded my ship despite a number of poor decisions while trying to trade. I have been unable to sell even one item at profit yet. My cargo now has:
mining laser
frozen food (bought at 80% more than the prices I have been offered at 6 places)
120 missiles (bough different kinds of missiles as soon as I got the missile launcher fixed- have not had the chance to use them)
shield booster
silicon
75mm Gatling Rail 1 Blueprint (seemed like the thing to buy at the time- but have been unable to use or sell this)
spirits
mechanical parts
silicate glass
civilian salvager (got this on a mission- probably helps to get stuff off wrecked ships)


Fortunately the newer ship had more cargo space - so it is easier to lug all this stuff around in the hope that I will be able to get rid of it.

The first one was called Ibis and this is Condor. Was surprised that even after my financial disasters I had enough left over from a couple of missions to upgrade to this ship.

Was unable to fit all 3 (the two lasers and the missile launcher) to the new ship- so the mining laser is in the cargo hold. Pity.

This is a really good looking ship.

I bought this really cool looking gadget to add on to the ship- but realized that during training I had chosen not to take that course on installation of these items. Damn. Wish I had known... In depression sold it immediately back (at a loss).



Interface

Things have improved over the last 20 years. Flying the ship takes much less attention now. Most of the systems are automated. More a matter of deciding where to go.

There is a series of maps on the right that should make more sense. Look like the structural representation of a complex organic molecule.

There is some activity in a communication channel on the left. Some of the communication is in an alien language. I have decided to observe this for a while.

Made a number of other bad decisions- including spending great amounts on buying training manuals that I had already gone through during training. The cover was different.

Forgot my entire cargo load at a distant station. Fortunately I was able to trace my assets through a wonderful asset finding service. Had to make my way back for these items that I felt I could not let go of. These now include some more items that are difficult to dispose:
heavy water
superconductors
quafe ultra

Have just accepted a mission that involves elimination of some undesirables. May get to use the missiles.



080323

A while back accepted a mission that involved transport of militants to a 0.7 security level area. Thought I may be swarmed by pirates, but nothing happened. The security forces either do not mind such transportation, or have no information about the contents of one's cargo.

Am enroute to this kill on sight and retrieve encrypted documents mission. Just before departure I fortunately noticed that I had somehow sold off (or lost) my main laser.

Have bought a new one- it says it needs ammo (the first one generated its own ammo by debris collection). This may not have been a good point in time to switch lasers- especially when I have no ammo.

One jump to go....


080323a

The gun needed ammo.

Fortunately indulging in those missiles earlier paid dividends.

Am thinking of contacting the Eve University regional office again. Just that have not been able to find it again. Have found all sorts of other corporations. These appear to be groups getting together to indulge in their common interests.


080323b

am feeling lost and seasick

totally lost


080323c

In my time of need I could think only of my agent, and set course. Enroute I saw a familiar configuration of lines in the map and found Eve University's office. Have sent them a message explaining my situation.

Question, Eve players: is it absolutely necessary to join some level of organization in order to get anywhere in the game? Or can one remain freelance, and solo? Or would the latter make for a very short career?

sam..., great log! Might just forget about playing the game and continue reading your logs, if you continue writing them.

The_T, and Dark..., thanks, again, for good advice and trail blazing. The appetite is whetted to supersaturation point!

How long have you been in BRUCE for, Dark0ne? You see, last summer in Syndicate... BRUCE were among our favourite targets


Chesto - you can set up your own corporation if you want to play solo, but for me it's the people I meet and fly with that make the game what it is. Finding a good corporation is really important as it adds so much to the game.

Am continuing to write for the time being. Have added the latest notes and posted in this (PC Gaming) forum (hope this is the right place)

edit: and these are now visible at the Wormhole where I will be updating more regularly

I know a few people who aren't members of a corp, but it is a lot easier, and a lot more fun, if you do join one. You have friends to talk to, you can go out and do things together, corps often provide useful services to members, such as pezco's ship building service... so, its perfectly possible to play on your own, but you will miss out on 70% of the fun. Besides, many corporations let you go off and do your own thing anyway, if you so choose, so its not really an issue.

Only a month! Was carebearing in empire up until then! <3

Theta... I just realized that I forgot to include you in my thanks. UNFORGIVEABLE! Belated THANKS to you, too.
Continuing to read sam...'s log..., and taking in advice...
Just one more annoying question, before I do more homework: does one approach a whatsit to join, or can one be approached by said whatsit? Or both?
Going back to the EVE site to crunch the info, then....

Both, really.

There is a recruitment forum, and an in-game recruitment channel (wouldn't recommend the channel as it gets spammed with copy/paste recruitment messages, though), and a lot of corps will have a note in their corp description about public channels you can join, people to contact for recruitment etc. You could also just talk to people in local, to find out what corporations are active in your area. Some corporations, however, are invite only, or require you to be recommended and vouched for by existing members.

Corps which are actively recruiting sometimes announce this in local, usually with a very brief description of the kinds of players they are looking for, and how to get in touch. If you've been staying in an area for a while and get noticed, a corp might also approach you directly.

If you know other players it might be worth asking them for recommendations.

Before you join, find out what the corp expects of you - and what the corp tax is - and what they have to offer you. If you're a new player, being in a corp full of 60mil + skillpoints cap pilots might not be as much fun for you. And if you can't stand mining, a corp that has daily mandatory mining ops might not be for you.

Hello all, I played EVE online for about 3 months over a year ago. Really awesome game for people like me that love endlessly expansive game worlds, but I had to give it up when my daughter was born (no pause button). I recommend it though for anyone with a love for real time strategy as this game goes way beyond any other online RTS game.

Theta, any chance of updating the link in your sig, sure would like to take a look.

Like I mentioned earlier Chesto, if you're a new player, the best corp you can start with is EVE University. Not only are we dedicated to helping new players, but we have good links with a large variety of other corporations, who like recruiting from our ranks, and even if none of those corps are for you, having EUNI in your employment history is always good - we have a lot of respect in the community, and plenty of corps prefer uni graduates over other players.

Anyway, if you ever need any help at all, evemail me - my character name is Jonan Amraphenson.

I managed to dig up a rather old thread from the EVE-O forums.. but it's still entertaining.

Enjoy the 0.0 experiment by Innominate Nightmare

Haha, I remember reading a news post about him a monthy or so back. He became quite famous, I think. A fine example of how anyone can do anything in eve if they try hard enough.

edit: Here's his blog, it contains the entire story: http://00experiment.blogspot.com

The_T.... Steppen Lemming keeps begging me to pass this on to you. He has messaged you as your EVE personna. But no reply does he get. He is coming for you with Minmataar guns!

Chesto, have a look at the Kingdom of Loathing. I have a feeling that it would work well with your sense of humour.

It's free, and can be played while doing other stuff.

Am I really as transparent as that!? Had a shallow look. Yes. Can see the appeal. Definitely. Do you play, Ab...?
Many thanks for the suggestion. Would not have found it by myself. As, I can never find anything by myself.

Have started playing EVE, finally. And, for anyone who has yet to guess ... or even cares, I AM the Steppen Lemming!

Am enjoying being lost in yet another space... Space... immensely! I'm supremely impressed with the thought and skill which has gone into producing EVE. It would seem to be a game that one could play for...ever. That, at least , is how long it will take me to get the hang of it , and to progress to a suitably high level of skill, etc.. Not a game for the short of attention span. But... one's short comings are there to be overcome. And , with the help of the friends I've made already on EVE, I shall manfully strive - as in ' boldly go ' - to progress.

I unreservedly recommend EVE to anyone who has issues with hypertension but enjoys pushing at the envelope. Nobody gets out of life alive!

I myself have been playing EVE for a little over 2 years. Have to say I have found no game as fun as this one (and i have played probobly every mmo). The sheer scope of EVE and the community make it a truely awesome game.

Its taken me quit a bit of time to build up my character, but as it stands if I had the money right now I could fly a titan very very quickly. Have been working my way to the capital ships for a long time and im finally there. Im more of a soloist myself, i have larned to pad my isk by mining large quantities of ore and selling it but its just not as good as high level missions. I have been in a couple of corps, but they were too carebearish for me. So, im back to the solo play but EVE is a blast.

If you havent at least tried it, your missing out.

Aye, I use Abramul for my KoL name as well. Been playing for less than a year, or at least 4 years, depending how you count it. Drifted away while waiting for Ascension to be implemented.

Think I'll try EVE out, too. An actual MMORPG is rare indeed. Looks like the download will take a few hours...

P.S. Is it possible to fire a Titan's weapon in 1.0?

Abramul...yes, the download is daunting, but even one as kackhanded as I managed to do it with no glitches.

Do the Trial, though some things are blocked to you... we bought the full sub after only a few days.
And, once you get a few tutorials under your belt and if you fancy joining a bunch of indigents with ideas 37 jumps above their station, come look for us. We are D.I.N., headquarters in Hulm EDIT ADD: Hulm VIII - Moon 2 - Republic University School >>, and a growing number of low rent offices in low rent areas heading for death space.

D.I.N., as in: all encompassing unpleasant noise , or Deutches Institut fur Normung ( the German Industrial Standards Authority ). Though, as there are no Germans in the corp, as far as I know, you may presume the former meaning.

We have a benefactor in one of the major Corporations out west, or back east or.... One Jonan A. suddenly donated 1 million isk out of blue, with no strings attached. Though he began to show great interest in the quality and quantiity of ore in our area, seemingly lacking in his own. And, having pocketted the mill, I felt it only right that I should give him some co-ordinates.

Fortunately... Sadly he is 50 jumps away so I dont think his Leviathan, or what ever his monstrous vessel was classed, will be darkening our skies soon. Though I did detect a certain wistfulness that , as Croesus rich as he was, the 'crack ' in his mega Corp didn't seem to be of the quality that one can find in the grottier, lower rent areas of EVE. We may see him yet. Isks, as they say , are not everything.

Samroski is showing unexpected suicidal tendencies. Already he wants to go into 0.0 space. Steppen Lemming has proven to be a more moderating influence, cautioning... caution. Or maybe he's just dead weight.

Revan... should you tire of your solo, existential existence and fancy a bit of the Nurse Shark to a small school of minnows heading for the deep end, look us up! BTW, I could fly a Titan very quickly too ... if I only knew how.

The download is worth the wait. Hope you are doing the 1.2GB download.

For players like me who spent countless hours playing Elite in the 80s, Eve is the culmination of a lifelong passion of computer and gaming. I am glad that I have had this experience this in this lifetime.

Edit: Thank you Field Marshall Lemming for the introduction to D.I.N. Corporation. As CEO or the corp I would also like to extend an invitation to Abramul and Revan and all members of TES Nexus to join our corporation. Lets all go down together having great fun!

Nope, you cant even fly a Titan in any space above 0.4... you cant use cyno fields in hisec for it to jump to, and its too big to go through a jump gate. The same goes for all capitals and super-capitals.

And gl learning eve! Its a difficult game to get the hang of, and takes a while to get into, but it is well worth the effort - its an amazing game.
edit: huh?? where did all those posts after abramul's come from? they werent there a second ago...

I might take you up on that, I havent been part of a corp in a long time. The one i was in recently fell apart. I have a fully outfitted Rokh I use much of the time, but the insurance lapsed so she can't fly right now

Look forward to seeing you in Eve.

Edit:

Same thing happened to me - did not see Chesto's post after abramul's


You are our guiding light, Field Marshall Lemming.
(As is evident from the outcome of our mining mission in 0.5 space last night)

Whats your EVE name Samroski? Im pretty sure you stated it but can't find the post if you did.

IT'S... ... ... ... M... no , that's something else. The name of the guy shouting at Steppen all the time on the corp chat channel, and using , one must say, very unflattering allusions to Lemming's parentage, is , indeed, samroski.

If you're into harsh discipline and strict order, Revan..., then... I'm afraid you will be in for a bitter disappointment with us. We just don't have the requisite apparatii. However, if you delight in basking in the sweetness of Anarchy we are the guys for you! But we are trying SO hard to reform.

Eve Name: Samroski

Having played many of them for years my advice would be - don't. heh.

I don't anymore for various reasons but mostly to do with them being too time consuming, too much carrot on a stick and above all, containing immature fools whose only enjoyment seems to come from riling or ruining it for others.

All of them will have some of the elements you speak of, unfortunately. The final one I played, LOTRO, a lot less than others, however and it had a more leisurely pace (since you said you don't have hours to play).

Good luck.


Edit - I wasn't going to single out any games but seeing all the posts about Eve, I have to respond to that. This is, of course, just my opinion but I found it gorgeous to look at, great that one can train whilst away but then quickly, mind numbingly boring and extremely frustrating due to the open PvP and the massive amount of folks who like to lie in wait for newbies so that they can destroy their ships. Add to that you can't get out and walk around and ...... it wasn't for me. I gave it a few months just to be fair but that was that, I won't go back.

guild wars is possable the best choice for anyone

and how did i know knew you was going to put MMORPG Virgin haha

Carth Onasi