Personally, i believe rome total war was better in my opinion. i believe this because in my view, RTW had more interesting factions, cooler units, funner gameplay, better soundtrack, and just a more interesting atmosphere. Also in RTW, some factions were more technologically advanced than other factions. Nothing was more fun than playing as the greeks and using my superior technology to destroy the gauls and Dacians. while I liked medevil 2 total war a lot. it just didn't have some of the aspects of RTW. Yes it had better graphics, larger maps, and guns, but it lacked in some really cool units. units such as the phalanx, chariots, elephants, warhounds, and other exotic units which were in RTW. In M2TW, there were elaphants used by the mughals, but they weren't playable. finally, none of the factions had an in depth story in M2TW unlike in RTW which had a lot of in depth characters and story around the factions. I hate how in M2TW there is the church who constantly tells you to do things and if you don't, you will be excomunicated and attacked by other factions at the same time. i also hated the inquisitors who would kill your leaders if they lacked pioty. These two factors would get on my nerves. All in all, I miss out on the features from RTW. This Im afraid again shows that most companies choose graphics and combat over story line and gameplay.

i dont own medievel 2 but i want it.

and i agree, the battles in rome where awsome, and could be one sided because you have technology, when playing the romans, i have never lost a battle against barbarians.

heres a screen shot of my most recent battle

huh its only 252 kb and wont let me upload.
huh ahwell i just assulted a dacien villiage with my roman soldiers they had 2450 soldiers (approx) and i had 1500 (approx) i lost only 300 whille i wiped out their entire army.

my favuorite battle was when i was the julii family, i was attacked by 2 armies of gaul they had a total of around 4500, [i]I[/i] had 800 romans. I won 4 groups of triarii and one grup of princepes.

if ytou want to now how i won, ask me later.

Very true, but my favorite faction is the greeks. the romans are good and all, butt nothing beats a good phalanx, I mean i won against 8,000 gallic warbands, skirmishers, and calvary with 5 units of armoured hoplites and 2 units of greek calvary. Yay! the greeks are so awsome.

ah we all have our awsome one sided victories.
but i bet i could bring a greek army of yours with a roman one of mine.
a phalanx is only strong from the front, every where else, its totaly exposed. could shoot you down from the front while my legionaries come in from the flanks and behind.

historicly, the romans did after all conquer greece

If you ask me, the Seleucid Empire is the strongest, with their incredibly powerful Cataphracts, as well as Armoured Elephants. And on top of that, they had powerful spearmen just as the Greeks.
Of the 'barbarian' factions, Germania was certainly the strongest, as they had the only Warbands that could form a Phalanx formation.

I think this probably belongs more in PC Gaming than Debates. Moving...

Yes that is very true. however that was mainly because greeks were led by idiots such as Phirus 'hence the word Phiric victory" and because the greeks were very disunited and could not muster large armies. if you want to brawl, I will seriously fight you online and kick some Roman Arse . Also what i don't get is why everyone believes the Numidians suck. Those guys are freakin awsome. They have some of the best light calvary "numidian Camel Lancers" and the best mobile spear men "Numidian dessert infrantry". Now if the Selucids had those two units, they would be unstoppable. In my opinion, the two main factions which REALLY suck are Carthage (blah!) and gaul (blah! blah! and BLAH!). i also hate the romans in the campaign beacause you will have these giant armies of Triarii and Hastati which all of a suuden become useless onvce you hit post Marius reform Any who disagee with my belief that the Greeks are the best faction can pm me and challeng me to an online battle. This goes for you too jakey boy.

The Greeks are strong, no doubt, but NOT the best. They lack common infantry (well, they do have peasants, but they hardly count ), and while phalanx formation is very powerful, it leaves them vulnearable on the flanks, literally begging cavalry to charge them on.

I do agree however that Carthage and the Gauls were overestimated (try completing their campaign on Very Hard.... Horror! ).

Well, for me, the Seleucid Empire will always be strongest faction, as they blend both powerful spearmen and infantry, as well as the mighty Cataphracts.

Is noone going to mention Medevil 2?

Fine then, I will.
I've some trully amazing victories/close calls/utter defeats.
In my current Campign (Scottish ) I have ground the English into the dust, twice. The first time, I went through Wales, aroundtheir castle, Nottingham, moving my armies along the south coast, before seigeing London, which provided nearly all of their income. This, combined with me having turned York into a castle, completly screwed them. Then, 50 turns later, they, amazingly, reappered, only to be flattened into ground, by my King and his son.

I'm not too fond of the Scotts. Sure, they're good alright, but not exactly my type of faction. For me, the English and the French proved themselves too be quite powerful (I just LOVE real tank-cavalry, A.K.A Gendarmes or Lancers ). Too bad they got owned by guns/firearms later in the game.

The most powerful faction in the campaign would be the Mongols and the Timurids. First when I invaded from England, having conquered both the French and the Germans, I ran into the Mongols. I almost sh*t my pants when I saw their armies! At first I thought I were unbeatable, and while I knew the Mongols was supposed to be number one in Military, I never really thought they could be that big.
And when the Mongols was partially out of the game, SWOOSH! Down came the Timurids. That's when I quit the game, and chose another faction to play as!

I know. This is why the greeks are only my second favorite faction. However your wrong about the greeks not having supporting infrantry. they have heavy skirmisers who are very handy in close quarters combat, My favorite faction is Numidia. with them I am unstopable not to mention that they have some of the best units in the game which no one else has (sorry selucid empire). With medevil 2 total war, my favorite faction are the Timurids but since they're not playable, I would go for the Turks.

P.S.- Jake, if you should confront me in combat, you may choose to fight me as the Numidians or the greeks, Should you choose numidia,your doomed

I prefer to use the HRE as, well, as an arrow-sheild against the Mongols.

After taking France I sailed round the Iberian Penisula (Spain, moslty, but Portugese and Moors too) to see what was happening.
The Spainards were BEATING the Portugese, and the Moors had been driven out alltogether. So I sent in the diplomats, to Portugese and The Moors, to see what I would get for helping out, The Portugese offered me most of thier gold and The Moors, they couldn't care less. So I helped the Portugese.
Spain, who were used to be close allies with the French (or, Cheese-Eating Surrender-Monkeys, as I call them) weren't expecting their allies to get beaten so quickly, so Zarzoga and Valencia quickly fell before the Spainards knew what had happend, then they quickly sent ALL of their armies against me, which had been my plan, allowing the Portugese to rebuld and rearm.

That's how far I am at the moment, but I think Spain is out of the picture, don't you?

Spain can be a nasty bugger to deal with if you let them advance too far. That actually counts for every faction (especially the Mongols or Timurids! ).

One faction I truly hate is Denmark. I mean, why do Danskarna get all the glory? They should have added Sweden instead (ah, the patriot within me has awoken! Time to stop...)! Bah, atleast they have huscarls and Vikings, as well as those knight-thingies (forgot the name).

Anyone ever tried invading Russia? Pretty piontless if you ask me. All wasteland, no cities.

How do you avoid being excomunicated and attacked by inquisitors?

haha prepare for your silly greeks to be put down like dogs to roman steel!
just you wait until i download the patches and i jump online oyur greeks will feel the iron fist of rome! muhahaahahaha


tho i will say that parthia is pretty good, i guarentee that if you build an army of mostly persian cavalry plus some melee specialised cavalry, that you will win every battle.

Well, we all know know how that turned out lol. now tell me who is the top dog, tell me. Yeah thats right i proved to you that the greeks kick Roman Ass. Since Im not going to be on these forums much longer and am only staying around to mop up my topics, Anyone else who dare defy the power of the greeks or Numidians just email me and ill give you what you deserve lol. For that matter if you even defile the names of the Timurids, just email me and we wiil settle our debate. Farewell everyone tis was a good night of Roman slaying .

yeah your lucky you had those spartans, if you had'nt used them i would have snapped you

Another excuse. Remember what Achilles had to say in the chat room. quote 'If your fighting greeks, expect spartans or the other thing which achilles said quote "You complained about uber phalanx units yet used uber legion units such as Urban Cohorts'. Face it, Im a skilled strategist .

skilled? your men just sat there with there spears sticking out! there uber powerful, we need a battle without uber soldiers, no spartans, no urben cohorts.

Very well. email me when you you have the spine. Until then, farewell and goodnight .

email? why not now? now i say now!


and reply to my PM's

Simple, really;

Spain had been unable to build churches for two reason: Money, and (Moorish) Assasins. This pissed of the Pope completely, so he wasn't going help them out of a tight spot. That and the Pope of the moment was, wait for it, SCOTTISH! So I requested a crusade against the Spanish (fear the Pope ) So pretty soon Sicily, who were hanging in there (just), and Millan stopped fighting eachother (Don't know why) and sailed over.

EDIT: The Spainiards just got crushed by me and Portugal: They were retreating away from Millan (who'd forced them out of of the south) but, unluckily for them, went into the Portugese (who, luckily for Spain, had taken thier turn, but then I charged.

.................Me........Portugese......Spain.
Kills:.........465.......303...............159.
Losses:....29.........130...............768

I dont like the european factions as they are always eyed by inquisiors and the church. imaging though if the Timurids were playable

Once, in my Moorish campaign, I invaded The Papal States and took Rome (I also killed the Pope), but, strangely, there still was a Papal election ( ) and a General (Pope) appeared, got killed, and then another.

And another.

And another.

And anoth...

And an...

And...
[snores]

I know, I tried the same thing. It seems you can't get rid of the Pope no matter what you do.
It's alot more easier bribing him or killing him (I love assassins!) and hope for a better one.
The sad part about Rome was that you couldn't really bully/kill/bribe the Senate. You just had to follow their orders until you were disliked by everyone, and later on declared enemy of the state etc etc etc.

ROME TW: ALL THE WAY

Only if they add different models at each regiment and remove the frustration of just being able to recruit one unit per turn.
THEN, I would agree with you.

I have got Rome now, playing as the Scipii (or Skippy, as I call them).

Hastati are awesome.
Flinging pilum at the enemy before charging?
Best idea ever.

If you think the Hastati are awesome, you'll poo you pants when little Marius comes to town.

I've never got to the reforms, I always win too soon.

Man, does Gaul suck.

The Gaul suck if you dont know how to use them.
I beat the game the 3rd time useing them.

btw heres a good mod for Rome TW >>>IberiaTW_v1.5