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cyronarxes
I am at my wits end. the months of internet surfing have taken a toll in my confidence and love of pc gaming. Everywhere i look xbox has taken something over. Before I weave my tale,I will elaborate on why i have such fear and concern. I DO NOT HATE CONSOLES. before I turned to pc gaming i played the playstation 1/2 and nitendo 64 and gamecube. I still have respect for the playstation and nitendo. These consoles and their players for the most part are peacefull and are not obssesed with comparing their consoles to others and destroying and ravaging other games gameplay for their own selfish sake. When these consoles existed, their was no damaging effects on, playstaion, nitendo, or pc gaming. The gaming world was at relative peace. While many may GREATLY disagree with me, I believe that the xbox 360 is a huge menace. Currently the xbox 360 community is doing its best to convert games to its sytems. While I have seen console companies try to buy out games, I have never seen until now whole websites of xbox 360 gamers signing petitions to game companies and microsoft to convert any game they see appealing to the xbox 360. Even worse, xbox 360 gamers constantly brag, compare, showoff, and even lie about their 360. One jerk named naso on xbox 360 forums which I came across said the tes construction set is on xbox live ready for download and that the tes construction has much more capability on the xbox 360 than on the pc. While i do not believe this lying dirtbag is correct, I am concerned about the ammo he is giving to xbox 360 fanatics. On many of the public forums, I constantly see that the most agrresive comments are remarked by xbox 360 gamers. The xbox 360 gamers repeatedly provoked other gamers who played on the playstation, nitendo, and PC. One even went far enough to say the pc will die out completely as a gaming platform by 2010 and playstation and nitendo will faid away from 2013-2015. Finally, my final evidence lies in the heart of game stores where pc games are almost all gone and even the playstation and nitendo racks are diminishing and creating more space for more xbox 360 games.
When I was at a gamestop buying a few games for my friends, i had a 10 minute talk of idiocy with the registrator at the counter who kept aggresively trying to convince me to buy an xbox 360 and how it is the wave the the future angry.gif . i politely said no after listening to him for what seemed like a day). The
xbox 360 is becoming too powerfull and have already stolen many game from the playstation, nitendo, and pc. While the xbox 360 communty achieves these victories through many ways, One method of theirs infuriated me to the core. I recently read this article a few weeks Ago (I cant seem to find it anymore) on xbox fanboy I believe. This article fondly spoke of a join the cause act where many xbox 360 gamers were boycotting games from atari for breaking a multi million dollar deal with microsoft for several games being placed on the 360. Instead, Atari broke the deal with microsoft and signed a new contract with sony for launch titles for the PS3. In retaliation. many 360 owners boycotted atari games but a few even took matters into their own hands and would try to remove atari games for the playstation off the shelves. last week on the radio (if any of you heard) the defamers of property were finally caught after half a week of defamation. Already has xbox 360 stolen many games such as devil may cry 4, oblivion, god of war, gothic 3, command and conquer, metal gear solid, operation flashpoint, dynasty warriors, samurai warriors, ect. If
left unchecked. Microsoft will consume more and more until there is nothing left. This fate I do not enjoy pondering upon but the way gaming is rolling i fear for the survival of the pc as well as the playstation and nitendo. PLEASE tell me their is good news because from what I see all is lost for pc gaming. To verify my sources I will give you as many url's as i can so you yourself may see wha I speak of.

Gothic 3 petiton for xbox 360
PC Vs. XBoX video7 things why the 360 is the best
death of pc gaming
Xbox 360 laptop
Xbox 360 gamer pretends he made a mod

















Switch
For starters, JoWood could barely get Gothic 3 to function properly on the PC. No way in a bajillion years could they ever successfully port it to the Xbox 360. So I don't think you have to worry there. tongue.gif Even if anyone paid attention to that petition, Gothic 3 for the Xbox 360 would be a disaster, and I can't picture JoWood agreeing to it anyway.

Personally, I think PC gaming is safe... in certain areas. Like the RTS, for instance, will never be playable with a games controller, you need the accuracy of the keyboard and mouse to play those. As a result the RTS is enjoying a bit of a golden age on PC at the moment. FPSes, while okay on consoles, are never the same as on PC, and even if they are on Xbox 360 as well that won't do too much to suck away depth from them. One area that I do think is endangered by the 360 is RPGs. Oblivion is an example of this. Severely dumbed down so it would work well on a console, and would attract the large amount of 13 year old FPS players the Xbox 360 has who don't really want a deep roleplaying experience (not saying all Xbox 360 players are like that, but it's undeniable there are a lot of them). Hopefully not too many people will follow Oblivion's trend, but who knows.

Rather than the 360 being a serious threat to the PC though I'd be more worried about it being a threat to the Playstation. For "serious" gamers the PS is the only competition the Xbox has, and already Sony is stupidly selling off rights to Microsoft to certain game series so they can have them as well. I suppose this is because they've suffered losses with the PS3, but it's only going to hurt them in the long run. Once the Xbox starts having games like Final Fantasy and others, it makes the PS3 seem like a much less appealing choice, especially since it's so much more expensive. Last thing we need is Microsoft getting a good stranglehold on the console industry as well, which is what it's starting to do... however I don't think it's a threat to Nintendo, at least not right now.

All in all, I'm not super worried about PC gaming, but maybe a little worried by the diminishing quality of RPGs. The people who make those "omg xbox rox pc will die" rants are just those 13 year old FPS players I was talking about, whose opinions are rather unintelligent at best, and not really worth paying attention to. wink.gif They can "pretend" all they like but in the end, PC gaming still has modability and perks that the 360 can't offer... just because a bunch of immature teens go around ranting that PC gaming will die doesn't mean it will. ^^
ninja_lord666
I have to agree with Switch here. The PC is pretty safe. Quite a few PC games need the keyboard in order to be playable. Consoles just don't have enough buttons. I also agree that Nintendo if safe, for now. They have all of their 'Nintendo Only' characters like Link, Mario, Samus, etc. While they can't depend on those games, they will keep them in the race. Also, Nintendo struck gold with the Wii. The Wii is very easy to play even for those inept at video games. Like my mom for example. The most intense game she'd ever played before Wii was Tetris...now, at least two or three times a week she and my dad are playing Wii. However, Sony is in trouble. They put too much in PS3 causing it to be too expensive, and now they are selling titles. I'm not sure they'll survive long.
Vagrant0
The real threat isn't gaming systems exactly, but the companies that release unfinished Betas, then release a patch a few months later to fix some stuff. As this usually means having to do a bit of research on the actual game after it's been released, or being stuck with something unplayavle, I've found myself buying fewer games. While in some cases, console games seem to have fewer bugs (do to most people not being able to simply apply a patch without paying out that extra money to have an internet service to their gaming system), some like Oblivion are just as bugged. This ultimately leads to declining profits, and poor customer loyalty, which only ends up hurting the companies that do is since once those initial sales are done and people are aware of the garbage that is being sold, they will hold off on, or just not buy it. However, for whatever reason it continues, and eventually it may cause some people to stop buying PC games entirely as they all feature this 3 month public beta period.

As far as FPS games go, Switch is right, currently you just can't get the percision you need by using a controller. Even the Wii controller would likely suffer the same problem. It won't be until they have well made, and available VR sets that anything will be better than PC in this regard. But as that business has either died, or just gone into hiding, I wouldn't expect it to happen any time soon. However as it ultimately becomes the decision of the companies releasing these games, how they're released, this may be a non-issue. They are there to earn money and people have managed to get by without absolute percision before... Or didn't you play doom*?

My position is that even owning a console isn't practical as I tend to do more work (often involving games) than gaming. As consoles are really just there for gaming, I wouldn't get much use out of it. More to the point, consoles tend to be too static, you can't change hardware, can't install more memory, can't adjust the system, and any sort of interface is just too simplistic... If I wanted that I'd be using a Mac.


*side rant on video game violence and how every time a news agency refers to it, they show the same 15 second clip from a game that's over 15 years old... As if kids are still playing this game (which is mild by today's standards for graphic violence, but worse in that everything that moves is a target). <continues with rant elsewhere>.
Kittie Rose
PC gaming has been pretty bad for ages. I decided to delve back in because of Oblivion and also because Spore and Crysis are coming up. I'll have to play them on reduced settings but I really couldn't wait any longer to get a new computer, I needed one. I should be fine - graphics are important to me, I won't pretend they aren't just to make myself feel less shallow, games are very graphical and beautiful graphics are artistically pleasing, but it won't bother me that much.

I also want to get the PC version of Transformers as the game seems very PC-ish somehow, hard to describe. I hope it becomes uber-modded.
KzinistZerg
If you ask me, the modding capabilities and community that PC's offer will ensure their longevity. And has anyone noticed that PCs are beginning to be able to use other controllers than a keyboard and mouse? Hell, on some stuff, you can use PEDALS. How awesome is that!?
cyronarxes
Im not doubting the power of pc's at all. As a matter of fact I believe they are much better than consoles. Im just afraid through sheer compitition that the xbox 360 will widdle away pc games. Also the pedals and wheels I believe can also be used on the wei.
Cultje
heh facts are allready there the PC went trough Xbox360 in power not to long ago 8800 and the soon to come 8 core cpu`s tell me any console that have the power of the 8800? What now in 3 or 4 years maybe the console will have the upper hand again for about 3-4 months then you will know what happens. People tend to buy consoles becuase they cant afford a "great" PC well thats not my problem is it people shouldent have to listen to whining Xobxers about PC is to expensive buy your 360 and shut up! What really pisses me off tough is Lucas arts who has allways made PC games and know only makes the "Force Unleashed" consoke exclusive "A PC cant handle the performance" what are you freakining kidding?
Povuholo
QUOTE(Cultje @ May 15 2007, 07:15 PM) [snapback]255591[/snapback]

What really pisses me off tough is Lucas arts who has allways made PC games and know only makes the "Force Unleashed" consoke exclusive "A PC cant handle the performance" what are you freakining kidding?

I didn't know that. That's really too bad, I was looking forward to that one. So far I've only read that a PC version hasn't been announced. Could you tell me where they said that a PC can't handle the performance?
cyronarxes
QUOTE(Cultje @ May 15 2007, 05:15 PM) [snapback]255591[/snapback]

heh facts are allready there the PC went trough Xbox360 in power not to long ago 8800 and the soon to come 8 core cpu`s tell me any console that have the power of the 8800? What now in 3 or 4 years maybe the console will have the upper hand again for about 3-4 months then you will know what happens. People tend to buy consoles becuase they cant afford a "great" PC well thats not my problem is it people shouldent have to listen to whining Xobxers about PC is to expensive buy your 360 and shut up! What really pisses me off tough is Lucas arts who has allways made PC games and know only makes the "Force Unleashed" consoke exclusive "A PC cant handle the performance" what are you freakining kidding?

angry.gif This is exactlly what i mean. The PC is way better than the xbox360 but because the producers of this system are so unbelievalbly wealthy, they can convince any gaming company to do what they want. The xbox 360 has already bought out all of the playstations game launch titles such as final fantasy and devil may cry. I am very afraid for the survival of playstation. I also hate it how the xbox community is spreading all this noobish and idiotic propraganda that the playstation and pc's days are numbered and proclaim all the abilities of the xbox while disregarding all the major abilities of pc's. I hate xbox360! angry.gif angry.gif angry.gif angry.gif. I have a xps 780+ gaming computer which kick ass! I have so much memory that my computer never lags and can download all the games and mods I want. Yet the idiotic public still thinks the xbox is better. what idiots. And what the heck is up with the xbox 360 elite. I heard one cretin proclaim it will destroy the opc and be able to download user made mods. what a bunch of sticky melodrama. I am tired of everyone trying to put down the pc and the playstation by refusing to put games on them and giving them bad press. i dont know about you people but i think that microsoft controls a lot of the media and gaming companies and are making the 360 bigger than it really is. Im just concerned that the 360 wont starve the PC of games even though the pc can handle them. by the way Xbox suck arse, down with the 360!
thejake1453
yeah! down with Xbox360 yeah burn them all!!!!! we must sacrifice the worshipers of xbox360 to soney, we shall kill them for their lies! pull out their hearts and give them as a gift to soney!!!

heheheheeeheheehhehe

serously tho, pc will never die, and i may disagree with FPS being better on pc because of the controls, i still get them for the pc, because i have found a way around the problem, i bought this thing called DRAGON and all i do is plug it into my computer, plug my ps2 controler into DRAGON and taadaa i can play farcry and halo with a ps2 controller! i may be a soney fanatic perfering the ps3 and2, i don't brag about it as much as xbox360 owners do, and i know people who perfer xbox360 who dont shut up about them! they say that there bloody better then every thing, god the way the go on about it i start to think that they would prefer the next xbox consol rather then a cure for canser!! you all know what i mean.

hehe i just thought of something realy fun, aright, we should do this join an xbox360 forum, then just flame and degrade the xbox360 as much as we can!! hahaaahhhahah watch them build up in anger and frustration!! even the admins would flame you! hahahahahh
xbox sucks!
crazydave
QUOTE(thejake1453 @ May 16 2007, 08:37 AM) [snapback]255894[/snapback]

hehe i just thought of something realy fun, aright, we should do this join an xbox360 forum, then just flame and degrade the xbox360 as much as we can!! hahaaahhhahah watch them build up in anger and frustration!! even the admins would flame you! hahahahahh
xbox sucks!

That would be mildly hilarious, especially if about 15-20 people were all doing that at the same time... Thier moderators wont know what hit them.

Any way the problem is that those thirteen year old, ignorent, immature fanboys that switch mentioned, just repeat what they heard about the last generation of consoles. But that is old news, everything has changed.
I do however wory about PS3. Its supposed to last 10 years before they make a PS4, but its not doing so well now, And its not going to be doing better with competion from the new next gen systems. I foresee that in five years, PS will be absorbed by Microsoft, The "Xbox Cubed"(or whatever lame name they come up with glare.gif ) will have a controller a lot like the Wii, And the fanboys will rave about how originall it is. But PC gaming will still be going strong.
Dark0ne
Play Station being absorbed by Microsoft? PLEASE for the love of god if you are going to post atleast talk some sense! Don't just post for the sake of posting, or for your hate of the XBox 360, because silly comments like that aren't going to get you brownie points!
cyronarxes
QUOTE(thejake1453 @ May 16 2007, 08:37 AM) [snapback]255894[/snapback]


hehe i just thought of something realy fun, aright, we should do this join an xbox360 forum, then just flame and degrade the xbox360 as much as we can!! hahaaahhhahah watch them build up in anger and frustration!! even the admins would flame you! hahahahahh
xbox sucks!
biggrin.gif I have been thinking about doing that same thing recently but never got around to doing it. if your serious we and few other people could do just that. If not im probably just going to do it anyway just for the sake of my hatred of xbox360. Oh and dark one, dont condemn crazy dave on being anti xbox 360, after all, this forum sort of is anti xbox 360
crazydave
QUOTE(Dark0ne @ May 16 2007, 06:46 PM) [snapback]256066[/snapback]

Play Station being absorbed by Microsoft? PLEASE for the love of god if you are going to post atleast talk some sense! Don't just post for the sake of posting, or for your hate of the XBox 360, because silly comments like that aren't going to get you brownie points!

Ok, so they may not get bought out. But seriosly I cant see anyone sticking to the PS3 when the new next gen systems come out, especally the with way the way most of the console crowd obsesses over graphics. And I dont hate 360, and honestly I could care less about brownie points, because this is my honest opinion.
cyronarxes
dry.gif Well, crazy dave is unfortunanatly correct. the the playstation is having small success in Japan but the xbox 360 has kicked it out every where else. Well it did have a long run and will remain in my memories as one of the the best consoles that was killed by the evil and carnivorous xbox 360 angry.gif
foxhound commander
I Agree PC games are not going anywhere anytime soon. Xbox 360 is good. but a PC can kick it's arse easly, because a PC is much more practical and efficient in a lot of area's (If you have a power hungry machine that could load oblivion 5 times at once on full settings) joke, But consoles are just for games. they are fun but far less flexable than PC's with upgrading etc.
PS3 Just isn't cutting it with 20th version of Tekken and whatnot. The only game i would ever buy a PS3 for is Metal Gear Solid 4. Even then i would have to be desperate to fork out $1000 for it.

Nintendo are an actual competitor this time round. They opened the eyes of the ignorant masses by proving fun gaming doesn't HAVE to involve the ultimate in graphics etc. But by providing decent looking games, with great game play. I like all consoles and am in no way a "fanboy". But it is irritating when people base opinions on others beliefs and past mistakes. Without even bothering to take a better look.
Xbox is great this time, I would buy one if i had the money and not much else to buy first.
Otherwise no, PC Gaming won't die. Simply because PC's are changing and evolving much much faster than Consoles. But all that is just my personal opinion.

BigT17
PC gaming will survive the test of time. it is much easier to upgrade a computer for new games, than to buy a whole new system for the same game. it is also cheaper if you build the computer yourself.

Nintendo has become a good competitor to XBox. It has been taking some business from Microsoft by drawing different markets than the 360 goes for.
Switch
QUOTE(BigT17 @ May 17 2007, 03:46 PM) [snapback]256391[/snapback]
PC gaming will survive the test of time. it is much easier to upgrade a computer for new games, than to buy a whole new system for the same game. it is also cheaper if you build the computer yourself.

Er wait, what? Sorry, this is one point I have to disagree on. tongue.gif In what way is upgrading your computer easy in comparison to consoles? With the PC, countless things can go very, very wrong resulting in the loss of your entire system and hundreds of your hard earned cash. Certain hardware combinations can lead to disaster just because the game wasn't coded for it. With consoles on the other hand you can just buy the system and it works pretty much out of the box, and you always know, short of the disk being damaged, you can just slot it in and play. And consoles almost always boast hardware that would cost vastly more if you were putting together a PC of the same spec. Say the PS3... a PC of that sort of level would cost much more than $699 to build, even though it still seems like a lot for just a console.

I'm not saying that consoles are better, but the PC certainly isn't easier than consoles for gaming IMO.
fireball7
PC gaming will not be dead for a very long time. I love my PC, and if I want to upgrade it, it may take ~200 dollars max. PCs you can upgrade/buy as good as you want, unlike consoles. Also unlike consoles, PCs are much much more versatile. Though consoles CAN run linux, their processors are not meant for general computation, and they lack a lot if you want to do general things. PCs however, can run many OSes, and go from gaming->work->play->surfing internet->gaming like a snap.

Not to put down consoles; they are great at playing games, and their graphics are great. However, my PC is my main gaming source, because I refuse to spend $300+ on a 360 (though a wii is pretty tempting) or $5/600 for a PS3, when my entire gaming setup (and a nice one) was 900 (custom build). Many console games are ported to PC as well, and there are enough good games out there to keep me busy for quite a while.

EDIT: Yes, PCs can be slightly harder to upgrade/maintain. But that's the beauty: YOU choose what goes inside, and YOU decide what you need. A (good) game should be versatile and run on any hardware, though I understand that some graphics cards can be picky (I also own an Intel i915 that wouldn't run crap) but that's just stuff that you need to research. Kind of like researching the strengths/weaknesses of different consoles. Generally, buy a good amd/intel processor and a great graphics card and you can't go wrong. And yes, you COULD damage some internal components during upgrades, so you be careful or take it to somebody who is licensed for that.
thejake1453
QUOTE(Switch @ May 18 2007, 12:17 AM) [snapback]256397[/snapback]

. With consoles on the other hand you can just buy the system and it works pretty much out of the box, and you always know, short of the disk being damaged, you can just slot it in and play. I'm not saying that consoles are better, but the PC certainly isn't easier than consoles for gaming IMO.


actually with a consol you can only play games with of the same type as the machine, eg PAL games won't work in an NTSC macine, and vice versa. whic is fine seeing as america is like, the only country that uses NTSC where as Australia, UK and most of the other countries use PAL. silly americans, always doing it differently, celsius is much more acurate then farenheit, so almost everyone uses celsius, but does america?nooooooo they have to use the much more inacurate one. silly silly america
Switch
QUOTE(thejake1453 @ May 18 2007, 02:48 AM) [snapback]256621[/snapback]

QUOTE(Switch @ May 18 2007, 12:17 AM) [snapback]256397[/snapback]

. With consoles on the other hand you can just buy the system and it works pretty much out of the box, and you always know, short of the disk being damaged, you can just slot it in and play. I'm not saying that consoles are better, but the PC certainly isn't easier than consoles for gaming IMO.


actually with a consol you can only play games with of the same type as the machine, eg PAL games won't work in an NTSC macine, and vice versa. whic is fine seeing as america is like, the only country that uses NTSC where as Australia, UK and most of the other countries use PAL. silly americans, always doing it differently, celsius is much more acurate then farenheit, so almost everyone uses celsius, but does america?nooooooo they have to use the much more inacurate one. silly silly america

That's true - though I'm pretty sure, unless they changed it, that the PS3 is region free, which means NTSC will run on PAL and vice versa. That could (hopefully) spell the end to this silly region system.
thejake1453
yaaaaay, must get ps3! it will be the greatest!
but in the mean time i'm planning my crusade against the xbox360
the alchemist next d
QUOTE(thejake1453 @ May 18 2007, 01:09 PM) [snapback]256759[/snapback]
yaaaaay, must get ps3! it will be the greatest!
but in the mean time i'm planning my crusade against the xbox360


dont worry people, these hot consoles will lose there shine in a nother 1 and a half years
imcrazy
I just thought I'd mention that Sony and Nintendo fanboys are just as bad as xbox fanboys. They will lie, deny and over hype their console of choice, because they are all fanboys. Don't pay them any attention, they have no lives and are of no threat to you. Why do they start petitions? Because it is easy and requires very little effort thanks to online petition sites. Plus it allows them to continue their pitiful existence and unite with others who are like them. They won't start rallies, riots or cause any ruckus outside of the internet since it would require physical effort (something they avoid at all costs). Just ignore them and don't count what they say as anything meaningful. Besides I only ever recall one petition getting anywhere and that was the one for the Bioshock Collector's Edition.

PC gaming may feel like its in decline, and to some extent I'd say you are right. But that has nothing to do with fanboys or xbox 360. It has to do with economics. Console games tend to, on average, yield higher profits than exclusive PC titles. The reason for this is because the average individual will choose a console over a gaming pc because its simple. No knowledge of the inner working parts are required, and they tend to be cheaper than high end PCs. It is plug and play in every sense of the word. Also most high selling console titles make more money because they are cross platform (usually including PC), larger audience = more money.

If you were to compare PC gaming 10 years ago with today, I would say it has declined somewhat. I think the majority of this has to do with online play being readily available on consoles now. But I certainly wouldn't say its on the way out. PC gaming still holds many advantages over consoles and until consoles can take advantage of that (which may never happen) PC will still be a contender.

What I think needs to happen is for developers to start really exploring the possibilities of the platform outside of graphics. If they can do that, we may see a return to a PC dominant market.
cyronarxes
QUOTE(imcrazy @ Jul 26 2007, 03:11 AM) [snapback]293217[/snapback]
I just thought I'd mention that Sony and Nintendo fanboys are just as bad as xbox fanboys.

NO THEY ARE NOT! I have had my fair share with them and they are not nearly as arrogant and annoying as the 360 fanboys. It is the 360 fanboys which always post topics on how uber the 360 is and how every game shoul port to the 360. They also are theones which start the most flame wars.
Peregrine
QUOTE(cyronarxes @ Jul 27 2007, 09:54 PM) [snapback]294159[/snapback]
QUOTE(imcrazy @ Jul 26 2007, 03:11 AM) [snapback]293217[/snapback]
I just thought I'd mention that Sony and Nintendo fanboys are just as bad as xbox fanboys.

NO THEY ARE NOT! I have had my fair share with them and they are not nearly as arrogant and annoying as the 360 fanboys. It is the 360 fanboys which always post topics on how uber the 360 is and how every game shoul port to the 360. They also are theones which start the most flame wars.


Beautiful irony.
the alchemist next d
whatever, my friends xbox overheated in 3 hours. piece of junk
cyronarxes
QUOTE(the alchemist next d @ Jul 31 2007, 06:28 PM) [snapback]296088[/snapback]
whatever, my friends xbox overheated in 3 hours. piece of junk

yes, i know it is a peice of junk. Its average life expectancy is 6 to 7 months. of course, the main reason it is so popular is because it has so many exclusives and it is inexpensive. Of course, the xbox is already obsolete as most games next year are to powerfull for the xbox such as Crysis and Gears of war gold edition which are both pc exclusives.
Paul Emil
Xbox 360, inexpensive? What tosh. The games cost the best part of £50! Plus the fact you would have to keep replacing it (the console) due to the crappy heatsinks MS saw fit to use.
Switch
QUOTE(Paul Emil @ Aug 2 2007, 11:11 AM) [snapback]296943[/snapback]
Xbox 360, inexpensive? What tosh. The games cost the best part of £50! Plus the fact you would have to keep replacing it (the console) due to the crappy heatsinks MS saw fit to use.

Absolutely. Though to be fair they are offering extended warranties now so you don't have to pay out of your own pocket. Still, £40-50 per game is a lot to ask. I don't know where these companies think we're supposed to get all this money from? Especially since a large proportion of gamers are students. I think this is one of the main reasons why the Wii is doing so well. So far the lowest price I've seen for the PS3 for instance is £399.99... rolleyes.gif
hoots7
QUOTE(foxhound commander @ May 17 2007, 07:10 AM) [snapback]256303[/snapback]
I Agree PC games are not going anywhere anytime soon. Xbox 360 is good. but a PC can kick it's arse easly, because a PC is much more practical and efficient in a lot of area's (If you have a power hungry machine that could load oblivion 5 times at once on full settings) joke, But consoles are just for games. they are fun but far less flexable than PC's with upgrading etc.

Nintendo are an actual competitor this time round. They opened the eyes of the ignorant masses by proving fun gaming doesn't HAVE to involve the ultimate in graphics etc. But by providing decent looking games, with great game play.
PC Gaming won't die. Simply because PC's are changing and evolving much, much faster than Consoles.


I agree with all that & will add some more.
The bad news is this.
1. It would not be a big deal for console makers to add a keyboard & mouse to their systems, I think back to the old Odyssey days (yes I know I’m showing my age) it had a keyboard & overlays for certain games.
2. It is a lot easier for game programmers to create console games than it is computer games; I read this in Game Developer magazine.

The good news is this.
1. A PC can do anything a console can do, the reverse is not true.
2. PC companies are getting more game focused than ever.
3. A PC is just so much more versatile than a console and will probably always be.

The_Terminator
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1. It would not be a big deal for console makers to add a keyboard & mouse to their systems, I think back to the old Odyssey days (yes I know I’m showing my age) it had a keyboard & overlays for certain games.


Then again, the PS2 had a usb keyboard and mouse attachment, and that didn't catch on at all.The problem was that most developers didn't bother making games that used them, because, like you said:

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2. It is a lot easier for game programmers to create console games than it is computer games; I read this in Game Developer magazine.


The only game I can remember that did use it was Age of Empires, and as that was ported from the PC anyway...
hoots7
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1. It would not be a big deal for console makers to add a keyboard & mouse to their systems, I think back to the old Odyssey days (yes I know I'm showing my age) it had a keyboard & overlays for certain games.


Then again, the PS2 had a usb keyboard and mouse attachment, and that didn't catch on at all.The problem was that most developers didn't bother making games that used them, because, like you said:

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2. It is a lot easier for game programmers to create console games than it is computer games; I read this in Game Developer magazine.


The only game I can remember that did use it was Age of Empires, and as that was ported from the PC anyway...


Hey Terminator, you quoted me right but I don't think you read it correctly.
The magazine said it was easier to make console games because they were more standardized than PC games.
When developing PC games you have more factors like hardware types; motherboards, video cards, drivers etc.

I still like the PC better though.
The_Terminator
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QUOTE(The_Terminator @ Aug 2 2007, 07:37 PM) [snapback]297141[/snapback]
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1. It would not be a big deal for console makers to add a keyboard & mouse to their systems, I think back to the old Odyssey days (yes I know I'm showing my age) it had a keyboard & overlays for certain games.


Then again, the PS2 had a usb keyboard and mouse attachment, and that didn't catch on at all.The problem was that most developers didn't bother making games that used them, because, like you said:

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2. It is a lot easier for game programmers to create console games than it is computer games; I read this in Game Developer magazine.


The only game I can remember that did use it was Age of Empires, and as that was ported from the PC anyway...


Hey Terminator, you quoted me right but I don't think you read it correctly.
The magazine said it was easier to make console games because they were more standardized than PC games.
When developing PC games you have more factors like hardware types; motherboards, video cards, drivers etc.

I still like the PC better though.


Yeah, whoops, what I was trying to say, was that developers didn't bother to make use of it, because it was so much easier to just stick with the controller. Unless someone releases another console with a keyboard instead of a mouse, then PC gaming is in no danger. And thats unlikely to happen, I think, because one of the reasons people use consoles is because the controllers are so much simpler than the keyboard. Thats why the Wii is doing so well- Its got the simplest control system, so more people buy it.
hoots7
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Yeah, whoops, what I was trying to say, was that developers didn't bother to make use of it, because it was so much easier to just stick with the controller. Unless someone releases another console with a keyboard instead of a mouse, then PC gaming is in no danger. And thats unlikely to happen, I think, because one of the reasons people use consoles is because the controllers are so much simpler than the keyboard. Thats why the Wii is doing so well- Its got the simplest control system, so more people buy it.

YES, that's true. you make a good point.
Goodfortitude
In response to the initial post, it's all about supply and demand. As long as people have pc's and like pc's then pc games will be made. That's just business. About the transitioning of consoles, well you just have to look at the big picture. Anyone playing Atari? Not many! I grew up on it. I wonder if you've ever even played this. It's ancient history. We're coming into an era of video games, virtual reality, etc. You can bet the consoles will keep rolling in. And as they get better and better, people will surely buy them...so, then the old die out. Just give it a few years. But, one thing they had in the 70's...pc's and pc games. In the 80's. In the 90's. In the new millineum. And, you can bet, right into 2010, 2020 and yes 2030. Provided we're not all sucking down nuclear fallout. However, the next world war shouldn't be much of a problem as long as Microsoft will fund the war. wink.gif But seriously, yes a few games may hurt, but no one's going to run out and sell their pc. NOW, if a console ever comes out with a key pad and mouse, I would wonder (not really). Well maybe, but then it would have to have ALL the capabilities of a computer...but then it would just BE a computer.
Goodfortitude
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Rather than the 360 being a serious threat to the PC though I'd be more worried about it being a threat to the Playstation. For "serious" gamers the PS is the only competition the Xbox has, and already Sony is stupidly selling off rights to Microsoft to certain game series so they can have them as well. I suppose this is because they've suffered losses with the PS3, but it's only going to hurt them in the long run. Once the Xbox starts having games like Final Fantasy and others, it makes the PS3 seem like a much less appealing choice


I just wanted to reiterate that. Sounds like good reasoning to me. It always amazes me when successful businesses make decisions that seem so short sighted. But, I suppose there's "some" sort of reason that I don't know of (trying to see both sides of the coin)...if no other than sheer desperation.
IbisHelios
I think it improbable that the x-box or any other "toy/platform" with its limited functions (no modding, no upgrading parts like a computer can do, etc. ... yowl I know I'm gonna hear it for this view but it is mine nonetheless .. convince me differently if you can.) would ever make COMPUTERS obsolete. C'mon! What planet ya from?? And as long as there are computers, there will be computer games.

It is more likely that as the x-boxers grow up they are going to recognize the more limitless advantages of PC and trade their boxes in for a living, breathing, electronic upgradable entity. Some people I know have even named their computers. Mine is purple, as are most of my desktip articles, my monitor and even my deskchair.

Let us hope that the commonality of making a game for both boxers and pc'ers can only result in improvements to the games themselves. That would be the desired effect, eh? Not so recently with such showings as Oblivion (a rush job) and some other games I've heard the PCers complain about. And the selling of Obliv dev mods for PC for paultry $2 and $3 is laughable; but seems at least to some people's minds, to have sprung from the making and selling of dev mods for Oblivion on x-box. Where is the benevolent sharing atmosphere of Morrowind modding for free by devs and players alike?

Well, we shall see where the twain shall meet ...if ever
hoots7
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I think it improbable that the x-box or any other "toy/platform" with its limited functions (no modding, no upgrading parts like a computer can do, etc. ... yowl I know I'm gonna hear it for this view but it is mine nonetheless .. convince me differently if you can.) would ever make COMPUTERS obsolete. C'mon! What planet ya from?? And as long as there are computers, there will be computer games.

It is more likely that as the x-boxers grow up they are going to recognize the more limitless advantages of PC and trade their boxes in for a living, breathing, electronic upgradable entity. Some people I know have even named their computers. Mine is purple, as are most of my desktip articles, my monitor and even my deskchair.

Let us hope that the commonality of making a game for both boxers and pc'ers can only result in improvements to the games themselves. That would be the desired effect, eh? Not so recently with such showings as Oblivion (a rush job) and some other games I've heard the PCers complain about. And the selling of Obliv dev mods for PC for paultry $2 and $3 is laughable; but seems at least to some people's minds, to have sprung from the making and selling of dev mods for Oblivion on x-box. Where is the benevolent sharing atmosphere of Morrowind modding for free by devs and players alike?

Well, we shall see where the twain shall meet ...if ever

Hope your right, I like the idea of having my stuff at my house on my own not depending on a network or a internet connection to have fun. But everything seems to be going online & that means that you don’t necessarily need a screaming machine. I like the internet, but don’t want to depend on it.
I was in the store the other day & noticed the Playstation3 was $500!
The salesman was pushing it saying it was inexpensive entertainment considering in was also a BlueRay player.
I say for $500 your half way there to an excellent PC.
chjoco15
I actually am starting to believe that pc gaming is starting to get less and less popular, but there will always be people (including me!) Who will still use it.
Just think... Halo 3, the most overly hyped game ever made (well it still is pretty good though) is going to be made fro 360 exclusively, probably for another 2 years. Probably in 2 years, everyone will be bored of Halo 3, and no one will care anymore.
And with the growing amount of people that are to lazy and dumb to get a computer that suits there needs, tweak it, install the game, and adjust the settings so it performs better (not saying all 360 gamers are like this, there are definitely many smart ones i know) there will be less who will realize the true usefulness of pc gaming, and instead just wanna plug n play.
Im sure i am with people who are really pissed off that all the game developers that are only making these game for consoles. It is as if they are abandoning the PC gaming world.
Long live PC gaming! biggrin.gif
The_Terminator
I don't think consoles are a particularly big threat to PC gaming- there will always be people who like one, and people who like the other. It is very annoying how some games are console exclusive, though. Merxenaries 2, for example, is a game I really want, but I can't afford to pay £400 for a PS3 to play it. And like chjoco15 said, Halo 3 is also going to be a great game... but I can't afford to pay a few hundred quid for a 360 to play that either. With some Wii games, like Wii sports, it's understandable- they wouldn't work well with a keyboard and mouse (and the Wii's the cheapest console anyway, so I don't mind as much).
arcturus62
I actually won an x-box 360 in a contest and played on it for a little while and enjoyed it. But I also own a decent desk top computer and a pretty good laptop and I play games on both of those.I played Oblivion on the 360 and then on the pc . After playing it on the pc for the heck of it I decided to play a little bit on the 360 and you know what? I couldn't do it.It was just a so much better experience on the pc I couldn't go back to the 360. You know how often I use my computers? Every single day!!! I really can't remember the last time I played on my x-box. They are advertising some interesting games for x-box coming out but all I can think about is Crysis, Call of Duty 4, Timeshift,Jericho etc. There are a lot of good games coming out for pc and yes some of those games will also be on x-box too but trust me they will not be the same kick ass experience they will be on the pc. X-box can not touch an 8800 series card or a 2900 radeon or quad core proc. Not to mention what will come in the next few years for pc while x-box still sits with its same dated technology.
markaedw
The PC games will only die when the game maker stop making games.

PC games are a bit harder to make. Whe a game maker wants to do a console game, he only has to to worry about 3 hardware configurations. PCs can have hundreds of possibilties and dozen of vid cards.

PC games on the other hand offer more freedom of expression. The Witcher has 2 version, an edited version for the US/Canada market and a full version for the Europe market. The game has built in nudity. Wii would hava fit and, PS3 and XBOX would lose the Wal-mart market share, but pc games are sold in more diverse markets and Wal-mart has less of a comand so Game Makers can go a little father in thier games.
}{ellKnight
I lay my eyes upon the title of this thread and the first thing that comes to mind is: Blasphemy!
PC games are here to stay.... Casual gamers generally prefer consoles, but as long as real (hardcore) gamers still exist (and they will!) PC games will never die out.
And for the record: I hate EA!
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