Yes. They are fairly nasty. Once past those at level 10 it seems to be endless killing.

Many thanks it worked a treat an i have now finished the DB.

Not that I know of. Maybey you are running a mod that makes it that way? I have finished the DB and Thieves and I still go into temples to get healed.

You can still take healing from the Chapels if you: 1) have no bounty at the moment; and 2) your Fame is greater than your Infamy.

My Cassie is leaning towards the idea of killing all the Primates in every Chapel in every city. The Boys In Blue have no chance.

I just happened to wander into Mephala's shrine north of the imperial city, so I decided to pay my respects to the Daedra...who wanted me to kill a Nord and a Dunmer in a small village not far from it...
I went to this small peaceful village, and killed both of them,leaving clues like the Weaver told me to, and I still wonder how those guys believed they had killed one another when both were found dead in their beds...
Then I went to sleep...the rest is history, and now I go to Bravil every week...

Conveniently, the first time I played, I killed a character sleeping at the Inn of Ill Omen(Lucien still gave me directions to get there)

I did not kill Rufio.
I admit to causing the deaths of everyone in the Inn of Ill Omen by running all the way from Fort Homestead followed by bandits.
I might even admit that I intended for this to happen.
But I did not kill Rufio.

(Of course, as I prefer to avoid the deaths of random NPCs, I loaded the quicksave I made before heading for the Inn. Why avoid bloodbaths? Because those involved may in the future be selected as...clients.)

Oh you want ALL my murders for joining? Well my first cha ever was an evil dark elf thief at start, and he had never killed. While wandering in the wildernis i found a small estate wit a lot of horses. I tryed to steal a horse, but got busted and had to kill everyone in the estate. About five people dead and my place in The DB was secured. Second time i killed a random priest for some reason traveling on the roads near chorrol. And so on. Last to time i killed a mechant supplier (the "crowded roads" mod) and cleared everyone (expect the one who for some reason is essential.) in Pellsgate. Oh and i was to involved in a jail fight once. I got more but i think you got the idea.

ah i just went to a inn and killed the bartender was no one there anyway
it's kinda handy no bounty cause no one nearby and a bed if u purchase it first usefull in III omen

Who did I kill? Easy:

This was quoted from my short summary about the life of Flithor (my character) in this thread

Pretty much, He was in Chorrol testing out his bow, when he had the idea to commit murder. He hadn't done that yet (too his knowledge), and he wanted to see what it was like. In kindled in him a great rush of emothions. He was swimming in ecstacy. His heart was pounding as he ran out of town. After getting away with it, he was accepted into the Dark Brotherhood where he murdered several more people and soon became obsessed with pain and death. He started to make his targets [i]victims suffer terribly before finally ending their miserable life. He reveled in their screems of pain.

Latest incarnation of Cassie had to off the prospective Bosmer entrant into the Mythic Dawn in order to 1) prize his copy of Volume III and 2) make sure this fellow would never be able to tip off his Sponsor.

Casandra was just staring at the bookselves in her fancy-schmancy red velvet dress when the fellow picked up his order, then she casually turned 'round and followed a good distance off as he walked to his room in the Tiber Septim Hotel. She loitered in the lobby as her victim ate a quick meal and then retired to bed. She followed him into the upstairs lodge. She would leave, he would never do so...

After Cassie left the hotel with her slightly bloodstained copy of Volume III, it was off into the sewers to get Volume IV. After that little bit of business was concluded, Cassie quit the Imperial City and made her way north to the Mephala Shrine. With her blood-ticket cashed in, it was open season on all prospective prey.

Her next stop was the Bleaker's Way Goodwill Inn. She didn't have to pay for a bed, and after a quick nap she received a visit from Lucien. Cassie was disappointed that he didn't hang around to watch what she was going to do next.

He always does leave doesn't he...He never gets got to see me in action.

With my first char I accidentally shot Aerin, the master trainer of Acrobatics, in her camp in the Jerrol Mountains cause I mistook her for a bandit. I was quite confused when I got the message.

I got confused that you actually found Aerin. Isn't she suppossed to be MIA?

Or maybe you're the precise reason why none of us can find her there!

What does MIA mean?

Well, I shot her, wondered about the message (didn't know that it had anything to do with the DB) and wondered also that the "Bandit" I shot had a real name. That she could have been my master trainer was something that I didn't realise until I reached very much higher levels.

But I think it's good OB isn't a multiplayer game

MIA: Missing In Action. Do not make us summon Chuck Norris to "rectify" this transgression, child, for the Roundhouse Kick makes the Wrath of Sithis look like a Swedish massage.

Core of the matter is, Aerin doesn't actually exist in this game. Tobern is the Master Trainer for Acrobatics who lives at Aerin's Camp. He doesn't know what happened to Aerin, either.

That's _really_ strange. Well, as usual, I'll blame any of my mods

I will respond with this:

It is the will of Sheogorath. At least that's the patent explanation for every bug in Shivering Isles...

My first characther didn't know about joining DB, so she killed just for fun - you know that dude who trapped himself in a painted world? Well, his wife never saw him returning.
But after a few quests i remembered, that the quest couldn't be finished, so i reloaded and.... forgot about it.
Then i player the MG quest, "Information at a price", but my dunmer ran into a bug, so i had no other choice how to eliminate the vampire hunters. Who knows, maybie they were vampires themselfes? >:] I got caught, thougt, but not before they died. So, still, i got myself into DB.

When Cassie-the-Assassin broke into Eugal's house, she noted the untended disarray of his residence against the well-furnished basement, and recognized the pattern immediately. No decorations, no personal touches, nothing that bespeaks of the occupant's personality or lifestyle.

The house above was a facade, and its occupant was not everything he seemed to be. Cassie knew this because her own houses in Chorrol, Leyawiin, Skingrad, and Bruma exhibit the very same characteristics: stripped bare and unlived-in.

In this incarnation, however, Cassie didn't want to waste her blood-ticket on a fellow brother of deceit, so she had the now-murderous Eugal chase her out onto the streets of Chorrol. The guard standing in front of the Chapel "rescued" Cassie in short order.

Mine was pretty humorous actually... Unknowingly, I attempted to kill a eccential quest character. After I noticed that she didn't die I talked to her. She gave me the quest about how her husband was a thief and they got jumped by guards. She told me to talk to him in jail or somthing like that to get the treasure. Instead he tells me to kill her... Thus, I did, she died, and I some how got credit for the slaughter. I then stripped her naked, and threw her in an oven at the foot of her bed

I killed the owner of 'The Inn of Ill Omen' becuase i had a level-up and no money, broke into the bedrooms upstairs and slept. In comes ol' lachance and give me the kill rufio quest. tells me where to go, not mentioning that the old man is downstairs in this inn

to cut a not very long story shorter, The Imperial Leigion Forester comes in for his regular and finds everyone dead and me sitting in the corner with a bloodstained blade looking guilty, so i stab him in the face repetedly. 'The Inn of Ill Omen' ideed.

I waited for a beggar to sleep. Then i armed myself with my most powerful weapon. Then i sneaked and attackt. He died in one attack.

Killing beggers is not hard, I have single-handedly ridded Cyrodil of the poor, defenceless, buggers. The theives guild hates me

I hope you don't plan on mastering in restoration...

What, afraid I might usurp your throne of skulls?

I just kill Beggers 'cause they ask me for money, then, one day there was nothing, no 'can you spare a coin sir?', no 'I'm savin' up for some new shoes' and no 'spare a coin for an old war veteran'

Since this is in the 'Spoilers' section, The master trainer for restoration will only train you if you talk to every begger in Cyrodiil.

You sure?

Huh? Oh! Right, it was the master speechcraft trainer . I got confused because she is in the Temple of the One.

Cassie-the-Assassin v3.0 has Shady Sam targeted for termination. Three reasons:

1) No witnesses.
2) The weightless Black Hood he wears— she wants that. Now.
3) In all the time she's known him, he never gives her anything nice, despite being the best (and I daresay, the only) customer he's ever had.

Plus, she can plug the fellow while wearing her Cheydinhal guard uniform and roleplay it off as "prosecuting a criminal warrant". Score!

Ever since I downloaded this i have been using Elastic Arrows to kill everything.
They hit the victim at 500 times the speed of regular arrows, which catapults them miles.
I mean really, really far.
I shot a forester and, well couldn't find him anywhere.
Fast forward a couple of hours and I find him, lying face down, somewhere near Bravil.
I shot him near Bruma...

I usually kill the first person I hear saying 'They say, that when you murder someone...'

I killed the guards in Bleak Mine in "Rescue some Ogres from slavery" Malacth's daedric artifact quest to obtain the Volendrung. Then I have slept in the mine and Lachance waked me.[font=Arial][size=4]

Yeah, that happened the first time I played Oblivion on my cousin's 360. As for my first time playing my own copy? Annoying Fan.

Are you sure it wasn't Agronak gro-Malog (the grand champion)? Since he doesn't fight back it counts as a murder... Well at least it used to. I don't know if the (un)official patch fixed it.

Agronak doesn't count if you never complete the "Origins of the Grey Prince" quest. He acts just like any other Arena combatant then.

Yeah, I didn't complete Origins of the Grey Prince on that playthrough. Just killed him normally, then took the Fargoth clone off to the Kvatch Oblivion Gate with me.

I thought you had to complete the Origins of the Grey Prince quest before you could fight him. But you can simply accept it and then fight him?

you know that argonian girl in chorrol whos mouther owns the oak and croser i killed her mouther and watched her blood spill it was wonderfull i loved how the girl cried over her mouther dyeing it was wounderfull muhahahahahahahahahaha

No need to finish, or even start, the quest before challenging the big lug. You can refuse to help the Grey Prince when he asks you to do that little favor. In that event, he will actually fight you in the match when the time comes.

The only lasting consequence is that you'll never be able to get past that locked door in Crowhaven.

I don't know what will happen if you accept the quest, then refuse/fail to complete it before killing the Grey Prince in the Arena. Actually, since I have a hankering to loot Crowhaven while not using the Grey Prince as a blood-ticket to the Dark Brotherhood, my current incarnation of Cassie will attempt this very thing: get the key from Agronak, visit Crowhaven, but leave without picking up Lord Lodvidicus' journal (if you do pick up the book, you will automatically hand it over the next time you talk to Agronak, which will happen when you challenge him).

If you accept the quest, then challenge him before completing it, he'll lament that you didn't complete his task before challenging him to a fight to the death.

As I recall, the quest does update when you arrive and enter Crowhaven. I guess the last mystery is finding out how the Championship match plays out while you have the Origin quest stuck at that particular stage.


It just goes to show that, in an organic role-playing experience, rules were made to be broken...

The aforementioned Shady Sam as Cassie's next blood-ticket didn't pan out. Casandra Serein of the Cheydinhal Guard did revoke Sam's vendor license— permanently. Funny thing is, though, it didn't do the call for Lachance's visit and didn't count as a murder tally on her stat sheet. She'd have to find someone else...

After a brief mountaineering expedition in Bruma County (Cassie wanted to nab that Grey Robe and Grey Hood at Gnoll Mountain), she took the Jerall trails back to Cheydinhal and found herself home again— but everything was not all right.

Casandra has a quirky psuedo-horror theme going at home, and on the wall of her front gate sits a skull and a pumpkin. Well, the skull was there, but her impromptu Jack-o-lantern went missing. Cassie had a good idea where it went: into the belly of some hungry beggar! A quick look in Bruccius the Orphan's food bag turned up an ear of corn, so it cleared him of suspicion. Luckless Lucina's food stash, however, was suspiciously empty. Did pangs of hunger make her commit the ultimate mistake? As night fell, Cassie snuck up to the sleeping beggar and picked through her inventory. Lo and behold, what did she have on her person? A pumpkin.

You've no doubt seen many a guard cut down a person for stealing a pear or a carrot. Chalk this up as one more, with a twist. Cassie has no one-handed sword in her arsenal: the attack would have to come at range. She stepped back, took aim at Lucina's back, and let loose the shot. <Insert Pun About Lucina's Luck Here>

With an Iron arrow planted in the beggar's back and her pet gourd back on the wall, Cassie retired for a brief nap in bed... I'm sure Lucien appreciated the fact that he didn't have to travel far from home in order to recruit the girl. That grey traveling cloak and hood she got at Gnoll Mountain are going to be put to immediate use after all.


No one touches the pumpkin! NO ONE!
The pumpkin knows all. Sees all. If you take it away, she will find you. And only after your agony ceases to amuse her will she grant you the mercy of death!

I was helping the guards re-take Kvatch and one of them stumbled in front of my blade as I was cutting down a clannfear. It got me a trip to jail when I returned to Chorrol, too.

I honestly never figured out what it was the first time I did join. I think it was a bug. My tally of murders was still 0 in the inventory screen when Lucien came and woke me up.

The second time it was Agronak. My current character hasn't joined.

anyone ever been to a town and found like a citizen and two or more guards dead? and not a single idea why... I guess the woman with the dogs (Can't remember her name) can not train dogs that well... That got me a visit from Lucien on my earlier character.

This latest character of mine has been recruited by killing Shady Sam outside the imperial city (never knew he was there, but he looked suss)

i killed that random farmer who gives you the quest about the bears-i couldnt be bothered to do the quest, and i wanted to get into the DB so i fireballed him
cant remeber who my other character killed-as my mess around char its killed a lot of people

I've got a new one.

Pete Burns (don't ask) the 'Breton with a Blade' has been rather bored of being insulted by the Orum Gang of Cheydenhall, so he pickpocketed a key from one of them, snuck into their house at night and stabbed each one with a different Ebony dagger (Poisened with my own special blend of painful and, most importantly, deadly poisons) and left next to their heads, on the pillow.

But in doing this on seperate nights ment that they could have appologised, but they didn't.

A cheese maker in Skingard.

He's a small woodelf, stil babbling about his cheese when I unsheathed my sword. Poor guy, I stuck myself in the door so that he couldn't escape. You should hear his scream. I still feel sorry for him sometimes...Losing a chees maker means that fewer chees can be bought. But anyway, I slep in his bed after killing him, and was woke up by a guard. It was my first time murdering someone so I didn't know that sleeping THERE would be dangerous. But guess what? The guard gave me a "special" treat cause he loved me(disposition 100)! So yeah, I went back to sleep and then Lucien found me.

I was walking around the water front. I walked onto the pirate ship to see what was up. 3 Pirates came out of no where and unsheathed their cutlasses. None of them had swung yet but I knew they would so I drew my bow and planted an arrow in one of their chests, with a satisfying thud he fell off the docks and into the water. The other 2 charged. Nailed one in the thigh then again in the mouth. The other swung i side stepped drew my dagger and stabbed him. Next thing I know I'm sleeping and I'm asked to join.