When the playstation cheif Ken Kutaragi announced the simultaneous launch of PS3 he, said that buying the PS3 would require its fanbase to work a few extra hours to come up with the extra cash to buy one. The exspense is being put down to the BD-drive and all the new technology that comes with it. Also in light of the Sony france chief letting slip that the PS3 will cost around €499 and €699 is it really worth it?

I probably won't be able to buy it when it's first out anyway, but yeah, I'm sure I'll still buy it. IMO the Playstation has always been by far the best console around, so I'll end up getting it. I'm not sure how Euros convert to Pounds Sterling though, isn't it roughly halved? In which case 499-699 Euros wouldn't be drastically more expensive than usual.

unless sony sells it for over $900, they'll be losing money on every one they sell. This might be it for sony - pretty soon they'll be in a position to be bought out.
and no, I won't be buying one - i have to move out, pay off my debt, buy a new laptop, and by 2008 i plan on travelling overseas.

I've always been anti-Playstation, 'cos I've been much more into N64 and XBoX, (I've had PS1 and have PS2, but the Nintendo and Microsoft systems have been far superior IMHO) but one very strong point in favor of PS3 is retro-compatibility, which XBoX 360 seems to have bggered up completely. either way, I'm gonna wait at least another 6-12 months to make the decision, unless I can pick up a cheap second-hand 360 from somewhere.........

Had a look at the conversion rates, in sterling roughly 346.611 GBP
to 485.581 GBP. I think the upper is a bit steep, but i guess when you put it into prespective its not too bad. True HD graphics, high capacity Blu-ray disks and a 60GB HDD (i think), It may work out cheaper than buying the 360 core, then buying the extras later. That brings me to another thought, surely microsoft bringing out two tiers of the system is a bit silly, its like the expansion slot on the PS2, there was the hype of having a HDD in your PS2 but how many people actually bought one?? Obviously it found a good use with the network card. I thnik there will be a similar view with the 360, the premium package will just be neglected by the masses who will opt for the core, because a) it plays the games and b) its cheaper, the extras such as a HD-DVD external drive is stupid, people will only buy it if microsoft suddenly says that there will stop using DVDs on all games and opt for HD-DVD, i dont think so. In all the price for the PS3 may seem a bit steep, but weigh up all the new technology with a 2.5 Gen 360 console then your laughing.

I fear that im being slightly one sided so Xbox does have a kickass online network, i only hope sony mange to make theirs just as good and then we will have a truly 3rd gen console...mmmmm.

Out.

I've always preferred the XBox; don't know why. Loved the N64 as well for 2 games alone: Goldeneye and Perfect Dark ... I remember wasting away whole weekends with friends playing those two games.

I've always been a firm believer in it not being whats in the box, but what's being played on the box. Stick me infront of a big TV with Goldeneye and I'll probably have more fun than with most current gen games.

I'll buy one at about the time hell freezes over. I hate consoles to begin with, and putting the price up to the point where I could afford some nice computer upgrades instead is really not helping their case. $600-850 is just disgustingly overpriced, and kills the single advantage (really cheap cost) a console has over the PC.

True that true that, love going back and playing those retro games, there was a time when i thought my spectrum was the dogs B, loved back 2 skool, the original stealth game.

I love the gadgets and the stats and titles i couldnt do without, MGS, GT, FF, SOCOM. Yeah the PC can do it all, but I love to buy a game that i know works on my machine and will always, im prepared to take the hit in a few years time when the grpahics arent on par with the PC but at least i know that the next game i buy will work and it'll be good.

yeah the technology in those 360 and ps3 box are newer graphic that is equivalent to dx10. so pc user is till waiting for it. it seem that these new consoles try to be a computer of its own with so much features. i would choose ps3 over xbox. first, xbox system never have any games i want to play. the ps3 have immense technology in it. more likely a very good sound chip. and little bonus like sacd support. hi-res video.

but i never buy consoles, and i can think of better things to spend $600 on. i dont want to go out of my way for these new high capacity formats. sony support blue-ray, but more consumers right now prefer hd dvd from what i gather.

if i have that much moeny at my disposal, i buy a psx and 15 good rpg.

Maybe when the world will end. I always been the Xbox boy, and perhaps always will. I really think that that price is exagerated, but sony has to get their money back somehow.



Thats not true. I would definetly buy the HD-DVD to go with my HD tv. I think that selling it separatly is a good idea. Not everyone has a HD tv in their house you know? And you will also get the advantage of having 2 dvd-roms. If one brakes, you remplace it with the other.



I hate XboX Live, mainly for the fact that they instantetly banned me after I bought their 12 months subscription card. I didnt get to play one single day because of a minor hardware modification my xbox had before.

Permanent Ban. Microsoft's black list. MEH! What a waste of 100$.

Im looking forward to perhaps getting an X360. Maybe when Halo 3, Halo wars and Fable 2 is released. Then we'll see about Xbox Live...

they banned you, i didn't realize they did that, so i take it they can check to see your system hasn't been modified, that blows.

Well since this is an old thread, and the months since have brought out new info. I will be definitely be getting me a PS3. From what ive seen and read it looks like its going to be one sexy bit of kit. But im just a gadget fiend.

PS3 will have all the franchises i want to play, yes there are a couple of xbox360 games i would like to play but i wouldn't just buy the system for two games (halo & gears), get a shot of mates. You shouldn't judge a console by its hardware, but i think i with the A+ franchises and the cutting edge tech is going to blow the competition out of the water. Games are looking good, and the sixaxis functionality is being fully utilised by many games, Lair looks awesome.

The overall look of the system has grown on me and it is super sleek iw will look better in my living room, than a clunky noisy xbox, touch sensitive buttons is a touch of class.



As for the price, it is still a bargain £450, those nay sayers that go on about sony forcing BD upon is a bad thing, i didn't hear any complaints when they decided to use DVD in the PS2. Yes not everyone has HDTVs but they they will, in the UK its the buzz word and the fact you can pick up a decent sized samsung for under £500 (20" is around £300) then i think people will be glad to have there system capable of pumping out HD images straight out the box. Instead of having to buy a separate component which the core gamer would probably not buy.

Call me a fanboy if you want, but i like gadgets and agmes and the PS3 satisfies my cravings well. Lets just hope when sony say march they mean march.

I will most definitaly not be buying one. For several reasons (some of which others have mentioned):

1. Too pricey
2. I would rather spend the money on my computer upgrades
3. I've never liked consoles
4. I hate the joysticks. Mice are better
5. Staring at the TV for too long is not good for you. Neither is staring at a monitor, but wives tales dont mention computer monitors!

I have a PS2 with no games and I've used it once. It was my dad's and he gave it to me when he got a new one, and all I'm going to do is try to sell it.

I do agree that I have played some good console games that are better on the console than on the computer (Halo mainly). But there are very few.

well thats fair enough some people prefer pcs to consoles i like both. I don't think its pricey at all, its worth it, anyways you end having to spend more than that sort of money to keep your pc running the top games at top specs anyways, so whats the difference? If you like PC then spend your money that way, if you like consoles then buy one. Its up to you

Now, I'm just gonna be extremely frank about this. I will ABSOLUTELY NOT be buying a PS3. Wasting over $600 CDN on something that has absolutely NO innovation whatsoever isn't something I plan to do. I don't give a flying f**k how many so-called "cool" features it may have, it's NOT WORTH IT!

I will be buying an Xbox 360 AND Nintendo Wii (pron. "WEE"), since I've been loyal to Nintendo ever since I got my first NES way back when. And I like the features the Xbox 360 offers. But like I said before, I REFUSE to buy into Sony's cheap trick of a marketing scheme. I never bought into the first PS, I refused to buy a PS2, and I certainly WON't get a PS3. To be really honest with you, I hope the failure of the PS3 will bring about the downfall of Sony Computer Entertainment.

I've hated them from day one , and I'll keep on hating them until either the day they die or the day I die. Anyone who's been fool enough to buy into Sony's lies can be cast down and forgotten. Pull out NOW while you still can, cuz all you're doing is paying for Sony's name. There. I've done my ranting for the day .


Now, to get off topic, the reason the Xbox 360 got fuggered with backwards compatibilty is simply because of the different graphics processors between the Xbox and Xbox 360. See, the Xbox used a custom nVIDIA chipset, whereas the Xbox 360 uses one made by ATi (a smart move IMESHO). Because the graphics processors interpret image data a little differently, games coded specifically for the Xbox will get fudged on the Xbox 360 (which is why Microsoft is releasing special emulator progs that can be downloaded to the Xbox 360). I also want to point out that these next-gen consoles AREN'T 3rd gen, they're 7th gen. I can prove this on Wikipedia.

This also brings to mind something else. Out of the three next-gen systems (Xbox 360, Wii, PS3), TWO use ATi graphics (Wii, Xbox 360), and one uses nVIDIA (PS3). That should say something to those using nVIDIA GPUs... Long live ATi !

not buyinf it yet. going to wait a few years, for the price to go down.

Where is the innovation in the xbox360?? The xbox360 was made on the same old rules for consoles. Its big, noisy and clunky, the build quality is nothing special.

So much hatred towards Sony, and why, Microsoft isn't exactly innocent.

Yes, I agree that Microsoft has made mistakes, but Sony isn't exactly perfect either. Let me point something out about the PS2. I had a friend that used his PS2 to watch DVDs every weekend I went to his house. Every DVD we watched got eaten up by his PS2. Eventually, his machine went on the fritz and was never able to read ANYTHING after that. He bought an Xbox later, and the problems went away.

And YES, there IS so much hatred towards SCE . Why, you ask? Simple. They're an agent of Hell, the Devil's own right hand. I've held a grudge against them ever since the took away (or should I say "stole"...) nearly half the market from Nintendo and Sega. Call me a "Nintendo fanboy" if you want, I'm still gonna hold that grudge against SCE for eternity.

And this PSP crap. Sony wants to cut into Nintendo's turf AGAIN!? Now I really know Sony wants to make Nintendo die. You wanna know what I think about this matter? I think Microsoft should buy up Nintendo, then you'd have Nintendo's skilled game creators, and Microsoft's hardware brawn. That's what I'd wanna see happen. Microsoft Game Studios already owns Rareware (creators of many fun games, like GoldenEye, Perfect Dark, Banjo Kazooie, Conker's Bad Fur Day, etc., and they're ALL on Nintendo's systems, except PDZ), so acquiring Nintendo would ensure that Nintendo will have a future.

And besides, Microsoft already has a jump on the competition. By releasing the Xbox 360 a year before anyone else will allow Microsoft to bleed SCE to a dry heep of gibs. That's the exact same thing Sony did for the PS2. Why can't Microsoft do it too, huh?

If your friend bought the PS2 to be a DVD player then no wonder things went wrong! That is one feature of the PS2 that is absolute rubbish, no denying. Surely it would have been cheaper to buy a normal DVD player, if he wasn't going to game on it much?


It's not nice, but it's called business. Nintendo could have just outbid Sony if it really wanted to keep those franchises, surely? I mean when Sony came in on the scene, Nintendo was already a well established giant in the industry. They must have had more or less the same amount of revenue as Sony, I would think? I always wonder if it was carelessness on Nintendo's part that lost them the JRPG market... besides, Microsoft is just as bad, if not a whole lot worse, than Sony from what I've seen and heard.


Haha, I agree the PSP is a shameless encroachment upon Nintendo's turf. But in the end I think Nintendo still owns that market... I mean personally, when I think handheld, I think small fun games for those moments of boredom. Not involved Playstation grade titles that require all your concentration on a tiny screen...


In the end, that wouldn't solve the problem that Sony still have all those nice JRPGs. That makes them a titan in the market, especially since Japan makes up a sizable chunk of it, and they're mostly JRPG crazy. Microsoft makes some lame attempt at doing a JRPG now and then, but it's not really a scratch on the ones Sony have their mits on. Besides, do you really want Microsoft to get more powerful in the gaming industry? Keep in mind they're another Sony. I dread to think what they'd do if they got to the top. Lame shallow RPGs and actioney beat 'em ups, "sure things" and no innovation, I suspect.


See my previous comment... the Xbox never does as well as the PS in Japan. I don't think SCE are going to be bled into a "dry heep of gibs" unless Microsoft or Nintendo can get those JRPG franchises back off them. It worked for the PS2 advance release because it was a booming success in Japan, I think. The Xbox 360 hasn't really done that well by comparison, from what I've heard.

I'm not sure there's a lesser of evils here, any company that gets on top is going to be perceived as "the devil". Nintendo would most likely become the same if they were at the top, and Microsoft already is "the devil" of the PC industry. They'd do the same with gaming if they managed to monopolise it...

Agreed: that PS2 is crap for quality, and watching DVDs on it leads to it not reading anything. Not agreed, however, that XBox is that much better, apart from its far superior specs. Mine is almost like new after 2 years of use, and now fails to read anything but brand new discs with no scratches at all, and even then it only works 1 time out of 3.

Agreed: that PS2 put the kaibosh on Nintendo and Sega (I too have always been an N fan,)but that's business. Not agreed: that PSP is crap. If N wants to stay ahead of the competition, it should stop farting about with fluffy puppies, and bring out some more adult-orientated material. And the quality of PSP is far superior to DS in (almost) every respect - graphics, looks, specs, etc. Also I do not agree that Sony have no right to "cut into Nintend's turf." Are only Nokia allowed to make mobile phones?





Disagree. The 360 has turned out to be rather a disappointment IMO. TBH, as much as it hurts me to admit it, I think Sony will yet again come out on top - partly due to the fact that Microsoft were in too much of a hurry to move of to next-gen consoles, and yes, they screwed the retro-compatibilty thing. I will not be buying either of the next-gen consoles yet, until I see how they (and their games) all turn out.

EDIT: I started this post before Switch's, so please note that any similarities are purley coincidental

The problems would go away if you used a different system



PSP ain't crap its all down to preference, i love playing some tekken on the go or listening to my podcasts when im out and about. Also long ago when the PS1 was born didn't Sony want to hook up with Nintendo and bring out some new system. Bet your glad that never happened, could've sent you over the edge.



Oh dear, that means nothing, Sega had the jump on Sony with the dreamcast superior graphics, huge back catalogue and look what happened there. IMHO Xbox360 has lost out, by as what has already been said. They rushed a system that really is nothing but an upgrade on the original xbox.

OK, I've had enough of this g*dd*mn thread . I've already made my stance absolutely clear on this matter. I've got nothing left to say. If you want to make PS3 a HUGE stinkin success, by all means, BE MY GUESTS. I'm not gonna say anything else that's gonna get me banned from this forum. I'll admit right here, right now, as much as I HATE it , Sony is a giant, and it's sure as sh*t that it'll take an act of God to put an end to it...

I'll stick with my PC from now. I'm not getting into a heated debate about which system is better than the other. I'm done. And to prevent ANY flareups from happening, this thread should be pinned.

Please take it easy Rob B. If you have nothing left to say, then rather just say nothing. There is no need to get so upset about a video game console.

hmmm, your stance has been how you believe Sony is the spawn of Satan, and how there taking the market away from Nintendo, thats business, survival of the fittest, I don't think you hate the PS3 or any Sony product for valid reasons, your hatred seems born from that Nintendo couldn't keep up. Which i understand if you have a massive stake in the company then it would hit deep.

Iits all down to preference and what you get out of a console. If the Wii does well then good, im not going to fly off the handle and say that Nintendo are destroying the world of video games. For me i like the tech, i like the extras, i like immersion, i like getting lost in a fantasy world, i like the franchises thats my preference. You can't say Im wrong for wanting a PS3 or for saying positive things about it.

I know... which is why I'm learning to bite my tongue on matters such as this one. You might say that I dislike SCE for invlid reasons, but I don't see it that way. For me, the PlayStation 3 just does not have anything to offer TO ME. That's MY preference. Let's just leave it at that.

EDIT:
You mention you like the immersion, and to "get lost in a fantasy world"; I can do the exact same thing on my GCN and, when it comes out on the 19th, the Wii too. And all for a third of the price of the PS3 (remember, the MSRP of the PS3 is $649.99 CDN, while "teh" Wii is only $279.99 CDN—keep that in mind).

It's just like my preference of Creative's MP3 players over Apple's iPod. I get a quality product (which BTW has more to offer to me than iPod, like the ability to rip music directly from my CD player to my Zen V w/o having to connect to my PC), and all for a price tag that's not gonna leave me dirt-poor afterwards.

For me, I've come to a point where I couldn't care less what Sony does, as long Nintendo continues to make quality product. I know I may have said things that seemed irrational to most, like hoping Nintendo would crush Sony. But no, Nintendo can't do that, I'll leave that up to Microsoft . Anyway, like I always about things like this, let God sort 'em out.

Sony killed Sega... This is absolutely irredeemable in my eyes. And today, Sega makes games for them! <Paul is close to tears> I will always hate the computer division of Sony. They make nice TVs, but whenever I have played on any Playstation, I've always felt I was being mugged.

Hmm this thread's debate really died out a long time ago, and your post doesn't add an awful lot. I let your posts slide in other old threads as they either revived, or you added enough. Please pay attention to the date of the last post in a thread before posting - if it's a month old or more and your post doesn't add a decent amount to the discussion in order to revive it then it's thread necromancy (see the rules). Thanks. ^^

Just to make this clear to certain other members of the forum and address a common misconception people seem to have about thread necromancy while I'm here: just posting in a month or more old thread DOES NOT constitute thread necromancy. Read the rules properly. It's only thread necromancy if the post doesn't add much or is spam. If the post contributes enough to revive discussion then it isn't thread necromancy. This can vary between threads depending on how deep the discussion is...

Anywho, I think I'll lock this now.