I suggest this dedicated mod community to do a SPEAR mod. I noticed there is no such thing as a spear (for weapons) in Oblvion. I am much troubled since i played Morrowind and there are spears in that one. So maybe someone should start a spear mod. Thnx.

Why aren't they there? Because Bethesda cut them in the name of "balance" and appeal to the console crowd, who would find extra weapon types too complicated.

Why can't you add them? Because one, we don't have a model export plugin yet, and two, because Bethesda has stated that the attack animations can not be edited (as in, the game won't recognize user-created animations). So even if we didn't want them to have a new skill, we couldn't even add them under an existing one.

Oh Peregrine, that sux!! I also was planning on making throwing stars & darts (I will also add spears, Sir Lothar III) when I find out what version of 3ds max imports into Oblivion. Do you know? Think I'll make a seperate thread asking that so we can find out tout suite .... surely the arrow trajectory could somehow be adapted for throwing weaps?

ps=I have 3ds max vrs.5 but I'm sure Obliv will be way beyond that...

man, bethesda really crippled there modding communinty by doing that.
how can anyone expect to make mods if you can't create new anims

Probably because Xbox users got miffed that they can't get all the cool mods that we could. So now PC users can only make little teeny mods that don't change much.
No more Golden Dragon or better looking katanas or dual wield weapons. Want dual wielding? Buy Halo 2 omgzorz!11!!1 Xbox roxxorrrzxxrrzzrrzxxrz.

I think that is quite an understatement. Just because you cant add weapons, namely spears, doesn't mean that the whole modding community is destroyed and must come to a screeching halt. Infact if you look for Morrowind mods on this website, there are 655 mods that are not weapon mods, and 112 that are. Yet, the 112 refers to 'Weapons and Armour', so not even all of those add weapons. Now, I'm not saying that someone didnt create their own unique weapon and put it under the pillow of their cozy little cottege, but I'm talking about mods dedicated to the new weapon.

Basically the point I am trying to get across is that Oblivion is not ruined because you can't make a spear. I know it isnt quite the same, but try taking a staff and making the mesh to that of a spear. It wouldnt work quite the same, but its the closest thing in the game.

But it does limit the potential of the "grand mod" plans of some people. Some people will not be content with doing house mods and stuff (not that there's anything wrong with that of course), and without the ability to add animations they will be limited.

This if Bethsoft pandering to the Xbox kiddies and no mistake. I'll add Spears to my list of "Expected Official Plugins You Have To Buy". For shame, Bethsoft - you used to be about the game.

True, the game is not over because of no new weapons, or grand scale mods even. There is still the game there to play.

But it is disappointing to be sure that Bethesda has apparently toned down what you can do with the construction set. And I really don't see any reason for it.

But spears are so cool. I really liked the Ebony spear. It looked good with the modded Ordinator armor/skirt I had.

If I remember correctly another reason they cut it was because most of the morrowind community said spear (and all the others that got cut) was the least favorite weapon. They said they where (again if I remember correctly this was some time ago) going to add it, but they realized that it would take more time to create animations for these weapons so they instead opted to perfect the ones already in (sword, etc.)


What really gets my goat is that we cannot add animations to weapons >(. Maybe this is a limitation in the hardware, but it does give a hard shot to the community (face it the animations we are giving are a little stale compared to its competition).

With the above fact in mind, I don't mind at all that spears are gone. Honestly what animations do you get? Poke and... well poke. Big whoop. I suppose you could add the staff animations to it (not realistic but hey).

What I would like to see in an offical mod is the flail! How cool looking would that be with the current physics engine. Spin, smack and watch the head of the enemy snap to one side right before he goes flying over a rail, into a trap, etc.

P.S. Throwing stars should (in theory) be able to be done. Use the fire ball hand animation coupled with modified arrow modle and Bam throwing stars.

well i always knew there werent spears in oblivion until i did the coc testinghall and saw a wabbajack. i stared at it and thought..thats a spear...so i try to kill an imperial guard with it, turns him into a sheep. thus, now i know what a wabbajack spell does.

p.s. there are throwing stars in oblivion, called azuras stars. look them up!






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Are you saying it is impossible to add a spear-type weapon into the game because of the animations?
Why? Is it so hard to animate/create animations?
It only needs a good stabbing animation, and a power stab animation.
Well, I'm just starting my modding journey, so I don't really know how hard stuff like this is, but I would appreciate an explanation why it is so hard, to get spears into the game

Thanks for your time

It isn't creating new animations so much as getting them linked to a new weapon type, and having that new weapon type somehow registered with a skill. Since weapon types are hard coded, and cannot be changed or added to, this cannot be done without overwriting an existing animation group currently used by one of the existing weapon types. This means that in order to add a spear, you would need to replace ALL the 2hand weapon animations with ones suited to a spear type weapon, then go through and change all the 2 handed weapons to look right when using that animation... Never mind the fact that you would have blunt and bladed spears since blunt 2hand weapons use the same animations as bladed 2 hand weapons. You cannot use the staff type weapons since these aren't tied to any weapon skill, so will never do any physical damage, furthermore, within the CS all staffs use target based enchantments, so you could not even make a spearlike staff with a damage health enchantment without it being range based.

Simply put, it cannot be done without totally vulking everything up royally. Mods do have spear type weapons, but they are used like standard 2 hand weapons.

ah, ok, I see.
so in order to actually get correctly functionly spears in the game, with right stabbing animations that do damage,a completely new weapon "base" would be made.I see. Thank you for this, Vagrant0.

And thanks for your time

What you may have missed in Vagrants post is that making the new weapons base is the impossible part, that's hard-coded. But I don't have a problem with that. Sure, it would be NICE for bethesda to have given us that ability, but they probably had a decent enough reason not to. They don't make the game based around satisfying modders, they just decide to provide us with the means to.

Sypron : Hello Yes, I got the idea that it would be impossible to do. My post wasn't ment to be smuck or have any negative thoughts implanted. I think it is sad that there are no spears, but I can live without them, and will not try to do this. I wouldn't only fail, I would super-über fail.Infact, it makes me laugh , haha.

I am doing some modding now, and I've done aclub and a sword/cutlass like weapon.

Thanks for your time