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Peak Oil Crisis - Prepare to Survive!
Why are indications of peak oil an oil crisis? The peak oil crisis is more about social and economic suffering than the end of oil!

Warning:

The following may be very traumatic to think about. We will need all our strength and courage to deal with the consequences of what "peak oil" and de-industrialization means. We can handle the truth and we have the right to know what the most frightening and challenging issue is that we are facing in the world. Knowing what difficulties are in front of us is the first step in choosing for ourselves how we will react. If this is the first time for you to learn about the worlds energy situation (oil and natural gas) then you will need some time to think about these coming events, and more time to do your own research to fully satisfy your mind and affirm your ability to get through the difficult times ahead. If you are not ready for this now scadadle, you can come back later. EXIT: Still here? I respect your courage!

Prepare To Survive The Suffering of the New World disOrder

An introduction to the peak oil energy crisis.

It is estimated that the world may have enough oil to year 2030 at current consumption, and enough natural gas to year 2060 if all known reserves were recoverable. Life will not continue as is until every last drop is gone. There continues to be small amounts of oil suspected as reserves around the world, but not in the quantities that will alter the clear shortages and competition for it. It is very unlikely that a child born after 2005 will ever need a driver license, and it is very likely that before 2020 many people around the world will be living without the benefits of oil and will lose the use of natural gas at the same time.

It is likely that a World War (the energy war) has started, and as limited oil reserves are depleted aggression will escalate. The worlds' remaining known approximate oil reserves 2004-2005: Saudi Arabia 24%, Iraq 10%, Iran 10%, Kuwait 9%, United Arab Emirates 9%, Russia 9%, Venezuela 8%, Mexico 5%, United States 5% (not counting oil shale), Nigeria 2%, Libya 2%, China 2%, Kazakhstan 2%, Algeria 1.5%, Canada .5% (not counting tar/oil sands), Norway .5%, Indonesia, .5%. All percentages are rounded and approximated. Oil from tar sands and oil shale are not included because the high amount of energy inputs, water consumption, and waste production will likely hinder these sources of oil from being anything more than limited supplies. The nations most near and friendly to us, Mexico and Canada, have very limited reserves and are rapidly being depleted as we are. The remaining oil reserves are in nations in less friendly regions and the oil is in areas more difficult to extract. Although we hear about "discoveries," our future oil security is seriously at risk.

Because private companies and nations have over-estimated oil reserves it is difficult to be exact but these estimates of world oil reserves are close and further research will reflect this. Also, rapid exploitation may have damaged many reserves' wells and will limit production. It may be that we (the world) have much less than is believed! The United States past its "peak oil" point back in the early 1970's ( for further research refer to Peak Oil Crisis Books) and now imports about two-thirds (2/3) of its oil. The U.S. economy and the current American way of life is supported by energy from other nations. Those nations that have not already past peak oil (maximum production) are very near it. In the future, production will decrease while at the same time demand increases. The spread between supply and demand will cause higher prices (for all products), and international tensions leading to violence.

In the near future products made from oil (plastics and petrochemicals) will become very expensive. Also, everything is transported by oil (gas/diesel) and will go up in price because of the increase in shipping costs.

Many of our homes are heated by heating oil and natural gas. Most electricity is produced from natural gas (propane is liquefied natural gas or LNG) or coal which requires oil (gasoline and diesel fuel) for mining and shipping. Fertilizers and pesticides require oil and/or natural gas for manufacture. Giant agricultural corporations can not feed the world without tractors, fertilizers and pesticides. Industries will not be able to produce our consumer products without oil.

Nations will begin fighting (have begun fighting) for oil and natural gas to save their economies. As people are unable to pay higher prices for manufactured products, employers will begin layoffs and unemployment will increase. The unemployed will not be able to buy, and businesses will close creating more layoffs and homelessness. Protests, riots, and crime will increase and the response will be martial law, a police state, and government seizure of weapons, foods, and medicines for emergency relief and control could happen. All of the efforts to control and protect remaining resources will ultimately fail. This spiral of war, failing businesses, and social decay will get worse in all nations as oil and natural gas resources are depleted.

Because of easy access to fossil fuel energy there is significantly more population than can survive without it. Failing to decrease the increasing population, have we come to the point were we must increase the decreasing population? It is possible that the use of virus, or bacteria to significantly reduce populations will be considered.

What can we do?

Peak Oil Crisis Emergency Survival Preparedness

It is wise to consider the basics of emergency preparedness and survival kits: air, water, food, shelter, clothing, healthcare, and community (family, friends, neighbors) because it will take many working together to meet the needs of survival.

We can encourage our community to power our water delivery system with wind and solar energy. We can add photovoltaic solar panels, wind energy turbines, and power storage batteries to our homes and not be dependent on costly natural gas, propane, fuel oil, coal, grid electricity, wood, wood pellets, or other heating means that will likely not be available, or at a price we can afford. We can build homes partially underground and use earth sheltering to significantly reduce heating and cooling costs, and live in homes that will shield us from nuclear weapon radiation fallout. Also, earth provides a foundation for defense from predators, fire and high winds. Depending on location the earths' soil has nearly constant below-frost-line temperature of around ± 55º fahrenheit requiring no cooling and only slight amounts of heating.

We can add a greenhouse to our country life home farmstead, survival retreat land, and learn organic gardening and begin buying the hand tools necessary; grow and use grain, and learn home canning of naturally wholesome homegrown fruits and vegetables. We can learn and begin raising meat rabbits, sheep, goats, cattle, pigs, chickens on pasture; and have an aquaculture pond, or container tanks, for small scale fish farming ( fish are great protein and they generate fertilizer for our gardens). We can add a worm farm to our home gardening for soil improvement and fish food. We can learn about and begin keeping honey bees. We can learn and begin hydroponics, and garden without soil. We can learn about food storage and food combinations for health and fitness. We can live healthy non-self-destructive lifestyles. We can learn about herbal healthcare, grow, and begin using herbs for good health and for making hygiene products. . We can remember that our children will not have prepared foods, grocery stores, shopping malls, hospitals, jobs, or even governments. We can acquire equipment like archery bows, Pellet Air Guns, GPS, rangefinders, binoculars, spotting scopes, rifle scopes, weapons and ammunition; and learn self-defense skills. We should remember that storing all these items and making all these preparations might only last a generation because as they wear-out there might not be replacement parts!

What we can do, and what we need, depends on our community (region, rural, urban, hot, cold, etc.), and how people and governments react to the changes, but small-scale sustainable organic subsistence farming is the only real hope.

Can we return to a simpler time before oil and natural gas? In centuries past people had arts, crafts and skills that would allow them to live without fossil fuels. Generally, these skills and crafts are lost. We must again learn how to farm, travel and transport with real horse power and make what we need like a blacksmith, carpenter or craftsman from years past. We went from Stone Age to Information Age, and in the near future we will be on the way back to Stone Age. For those who would enjoy a more simple life like before industrialization then this is a return to a lifestyle long ago lost. Technology has made many things possible but it has brought with it as much bad as good. There may be a better world awaiting us on the other side (of the suffering) but first we must go through the changes. It will be those who have prepared their minds, bodies, spirit, and lifestyle for the changes who will get through the suffering. Starting early and living the self-sufficient/interdependent communal lifestyle before mass unemployment, homelessness, starvation, disease, riots of violent mobs, predatory gangs, Mutant Urban Cannibals (MUC's), and warring nations make preparation impossible is a very wise choice! There will come a time when it is too late. It is likely that most people will get to that time without understanding what is going on.

Era Of Neo-Tribalism Begins

Small clusters of mostly agrarian communal groups, with limited nomadic hunting and gathering opportunities. People will trade/barter with each other in areas not in "hot zones" of radioactive fallout from nuclear weapons.

Although cities might be mostly abandoned, the industrial era buildings can be mined (scavenged) for resources: tools, supplies, clothing, building materials, etc.

Five regions could replace the states (Southern, Southwest, Northwest, Midwest, Northeast/Great Lakes) and possibly be the "New World Order" of the United States, and the coasts, military targets and large cities in war ruins with predator scavengers.

It is impossible to know now how America will look then (after the suffering) but we would be in denial to believe that hungry, sick, angry people and warring nations will not do the worse that we can imagine.

Because of global warming climate changes, weather patterns will change and what was typical year 2000 regional wind, rain, snow, cloud seasons will be significantly different. This makes it hard to plan for wind and solar power, organic agriculture, or sustainable community development for the future.

This is very scary stuff but you do not need to be part of those who will die from freezing, starvation, sickness, or violence. Now is the time to study (books), and practice, while there is a little time.

We should do what we can and hope for the best. Good luck and see you on the other side of the suffering!

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So, what do you think about that article? I stumbled upon it last night while looking for some good .308 rifles (ya, I know...very odd).

Because I shared this upbeat and positive story in the middle of the week with a couple of buddies at work, I have been given the nickname "the cloud" hehehe.

The first part sounds almost word for word a rant I remember from about 1973. When we stood in long lines to be allowed to buy 10 gallons of gas because the world was running out of oil. Still, no reason not to have a backup plan and a survival kit ready. The middle is almost the same thing that was preached by the hippie communes of the time. The last is similar, with different enemies and different dire consequences. - Global warming now, new Ice age then.


As for your looking for a rifle, I carried a .308 (7.62mm) M14 in the Marine Corps for 4 years. If I could see them, I could hit them. Every Marine qualified at 500 meters (almost 550 yards) It has good knockdown power and excellent accuracy. I doubt if I could hit anything at 500 meters today, because I can't see that far.

It's incredible that life could change completely in a flash. The neo-Tribalism stuff is completely insane. This might seem selfish (or strange) (this only applies if these predictions are actually probable, not complete babble), but at least I'll probably be dead or dying from old age when the craziness starts happening.

While I agree that the United States as well as most of the world are in dire straights, I don't think the government will release viruses on the population or that mutants will be a problem.

Our economy as well as the worlds economy will continue to degrade. Here is a good list of predictions from an economist that you should read LINK One important thing to remember from that list is the comments about cities. More than half of the population of Earth now live in cities. As our economy worsens, cities will become war zones. That prediction is all over the internet on economic sites, economists are warning each other to leave the cities. People in the country will have the options of growing their own vegetables as well as hunting and fishing. People in the cities will not have the space to grow enough food and what little they manage to plant will be stolen before it's ready to harvest.

My Grandmother was alive during the last great depression and she told me that her family was so poor that the depression had no effect on them. They hunted, fished and grew their own food so the depression changed nothing in their lifestyle. I America today there probably less than a hundred people who live a completely self sufficient life like my grandmother lived, the rest of us will suffer.

Throughout history, War has been a means of population control (look it up) Killing the young men not only reduces the amount of men but also reduces the children born in the future. War also stimulates the economy by increasing production in military supplies and equipment. While Obama plans to pull our troops out of Afghanistan and Iran, most economists agree that war will be in our future. World War III is a possibility, with all nations in a war the economies of most countries would benefit from the increase of production and the increase in employment.

The worlds top political annalists studied American politics back in the eighties and predicted that the democratic way of life in the U.S is not sustainable. They predicted the collapse of our economy and the splitting up of our country. States will succeed from the union in the same way as they did before the civil war.

We are in for a hard time, there is no doubt about that. How bad it will get is yet to be seen and although I hope for the best, I expect the worst. No one could have predicted how bad it would get in Russia before their collapse and no one can predict what we are in store for.

This FURTHER reinforces the sanity of my career choice: Nuclear Engineering.

LOl

I love futurology...
adn this crazy-eco-tribal-the-past-was-the-best-period-and-will-retur-futurology is the best! it's great for a good laught.
End of oil lead us back for stone Age? Mutants Cannibals? What is this Too much Omega Man?

yeah the petroil will end but it won't end our civilization, there's a plenty energetic options to use.


Just like that.

There's a man with a little worry for his job.
cheers to you

I would actually believe that if it weren't for the fact that too many higher ups already realize that we have to move off of our dependency on petrol products. The technology is here for nuclear power, and the price:gain ratio is far greater than that of petrol. For example, a nuclear reactor on a sub can usually serve 3-6 months without having to swap rods. Try running your car that long on one tank! Only problem we have in converting to nuclear is the fact that the greenies in office would rather see us driving the costs of energy up so we're "forced" to conserve.

YES! Now I can live like my Fallout 3 character!

Except that when you die, you can't revert to your newest save.

So basically the same plan as the Y2K crisis. Stock up on food, water, weapons, toilet paper, and spend the years after trying to use them up before they go bad. We have 20 years before any of those predictions become viable, and with the economy in the crapper currently, it's probably closer to 23.

It's too bad that most of those predictions were based off the old energy policy of "oil is great" and "we don't need any more stinkin coal/nuclear power plants." Afterall, the last power plant (other than wind, solar, or hydroelectric) built in the country was done during the early Regan years, and most of them have not been too good on keeping their equipment up to date. Newer technology offers the solutions to these problems, we just have to be willing to consider them. You mention the idea of a coal or nuclear power plant to some, and they immediately start throwing around ideas based on ancient technology.

This sounds very valid, though I doubt the final predictions.



I don't know about those reserve numbers. The 2nd sentence (Life will not continue as is until every last drop is gone) sounds very valid though.
With regard to people born after 2005 not needing a drivers license - I'd doubt it. Remember, cars are not inherently based on fossil fuels (though most are). I find it difficult to imagine private personal transport disappearing as a result of oil. Perhaps because of other reasons, but not exclusively by oil.



I actually remember seeing some arguments that (in the long term) war (non-total war at least) actually increased the population. I'll see if I can find what I saw.


Not really . . . looking to go hunting in the fall?


I'm pretty certain a 7.62 military is not the same as a .308 civilian round. Similar (and usually interchangeable?), but not identical.
The m14's still in use some, is it not?

The 7.62x58 and the .308 Remington are the same round, same cartridge, but the 7.62 contains more powder. If something is rated for NATO ammo, it can use the civvy version. If it's only rated for civvy, don't even try it cause you might end up dead.
Yes, the M14 is currently in service by the USMC, and potentially other branches, with the designation M21. Semi-auto sniper platform. Extended mag and a 9x scope. Sometimes a suppressor, but usually a flash hider attached to the end of the barrel.
Hammond: Bolt or semi on your 7.62 platform? I know I'm going to suggest something unusual here, but on a bolt platform I'd go for getting a Remington 700 chambering the .300 Win Mag round. Lower ballistics coefficient, more powder, and sure to bruise your shoulder if you don't hold it right. Semi-auto platform, I'd either take that DMPS I suggested or the M14 SOCOM version. If you have a good chunk of money to spend on a rifle, I'd get a .338 Laupa. From what I've read/heard, the USMC snipers are phasing out the M24 with the FNH SRS chambering the .338 Laupa, due to the longer range and much, much higher knockdown.
And that comment on the .300 bruising your shoulder is no joke at all.... It kicks like a benelli with 00 buck. Managable though, due to the fact it's more of a push than a sharp kick. Amazingly, it kicks harder than the fifty that's in my sig below I've had the pleasure of shooting one of em.

I'm sure things will get tough but as already stated, world leaders have finally woken up to the fact and are attempting to avoid such dire straits.

Cheers.

Only problem is, they're making all the wrong choices.
(My take on it due to the fact I'm finishing my last semester of government at the college and pay attention to the news and what happens to the market when things are done. Don't even try and contest me here. If you want to, make a new thread and I'll gladly throw in what I know to be true.)
@Ethre: Love the avatar. Take it that's a U-2?

hehe, would I dare take on a 17yr old? I think not.

I don't doubt they won't get it all right but the very fact that they are at least looking at the problem is surely a hopeful sign?

Here is an interesting video that I believe the readers of this thread might enjoy.

LINK


@Ethre



don't forget that oil is essential not only in running your car but in the creation of the materials as well. Without oil there are no plastics, just think of how much plastic is in your car, your PC, your home.

Wow, great video, Exanimis, thanks for sharing it. I've posted it to my Facebook too.

Cheers.

Although there are some alternatives... like recycling, or cellulose based plastics, the concept is valid.

Honestly though, if it ever gets that bad, not being able to drive to work, or buy whatever consumer products you want will likely be the least of your concerns. Essentially, if it ever gets this bad, you're f'ed, end of story. The best thing for most people to do is to become aware of those positive things which are being done to prevent this happening, and maybe help them along by buying those products made with recycled or green materials, and worry about it when/if it ever happens since most people won't very long to live afterwards. Afterall, the fuel crisis is kinda how the current economic mess was able to perpetuate between the good old days of Enron to today. This country cannot handle living on even $4.00 gasoline, and at $5.00 gasoline, almost every airline and shipping company would be unable to maintain their business without the price of virtually everything being much more expensive. As those things die, so does most of the United States, long before anyone invades, long before any bombs are dropped, the country itself would start to wither as many parts of the country cannot be sustained without constant shipments of goods and supplies.

I can see that cars could evolve beyond oil (alternative power & construction) & possibly be inspired by past designs like the "Peel P50"

Cheers for posting that article Lhammonds; it gave me a good laugh

Although, I do find it slightly scary how seriously people are taking it - running out of oil isnt going to destroy the world, and it's hardly cause total war, with governments killing off loads of their own people to survive, as this article seems to suggest. Theres an alternative to everything - cars can be run off any number of things (hell, there was a steam-powered car produced that could do a good 70mph, the only reason it didn't catch on was the success of petrol-powered cars), and tbh its perfectly possible to make synthetic petrol anyway - there was a big plant in New Zealand I think which made it out of methanol (methyl alcohol). Sadly, prices dropped making it unprofitable, but the technology is there, and if prices rise a bit, would still be perfectly viable. Plastics can potentially be made from other materials, and if necessary replaced completely.

Articles like that are just over-exaggerated scare-mongering.

We're already making bio-plastics that are petrol free, and heck, there was an Indy car that ran on straight ethanol! I mean, jeesh, do we really have to eat corn? We don't even digest it fully ffs!!

Here is an interesting link for those of you are holding on to hope for the electric car

LINK

I bet you didn't know that one third of the cars on the road in New York city, Boston and Chicago were electric cars in the year 1900. It's a shame that the only actually usable electric vehicle, the EV1 was recalled and destroyed in 2003.

Speaking of shielding homes from nuclear fallout.... I wasn't aware that the US now has First-Strike legislation, allowing it to nuke 'threatening' countries before they attack. Wow. Maybe THEY should get special homes shielding them from fallout lol

quote:
The "Pre-emptive" Use of Nuclear Weapons

The Bush Administration has adopted a first strike "pre-emptive" nuclear policy, which has now received congressional approval. Nuclear weapons are no longer a weapon of last resort as during the Cold War era.

In a classified Pentagon document (Nuclear Posture Review) presented to the US Senate in early 2002, the Bush Administration established so-called "contingency plans" for an offensive "first strike use" of nuclear weapons, not only against the "axis of evil" (Iraq, Iran, Libya, Syria and North Korea), but also against Russia and China.

The pre-emptive nuclear doctrine contained in the Nuclear Posture Review is supported by the Republican Party and Washington�s conservative think-tanks:

"The Pentagon must prepare for all possible contingencies, especially now, when dozens of countries, and some terrorist groups, are engaged in secret weapon development programs." (quoted in William Arkin, Secret Plan Outlines the Unthinkable, Los Angeles Times, 9 March 2002)

While scaling back � in agreement with Russia � on the number of nuclear warheads, the Pentagon's objective is not only to �modernize' its nuclear arsenal, but also to establish "full spectrum dominance" in outer space. With advanced surveillance equipment and space weaponry, the U.S. would be able to inflict force locally and instantly anywhere in the world, directly from orbiting satellites, using an appropriate level of pain and doing so with impunity.

The US, Britain and Israel have a coordinated nuclear weapons policy. Israeli nuclear warheads are pointed at major cities in the Middle East. The governments of all three countries stated quite openly, in the months leading up to the war on Iraq, that they were prepared to use nuclear weapons "if they are attacked" with so-called "weapons of mass destruction."

Barely a few weeks following the entry of the US Marines into Baghdad in April 2003, the US Senate Armed Services Committee gave the green light to the Pentagon to develop a new tactical nuclear bomb, to be used in conventional war theaters, "with a yield [of up to] six times more powerful than the Hiroshima bomb".



source:The above text was presented at the opening plenary of the European IPPNW Conference: "Nuclear Weapons and Energy in an Unstable World - Analysis and Solutions", Berlin, 7-9 May 2004.

http://globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO405A.html

Users who speak german can visiting Infokrieg.tv for more informations about New World Order, Gouverment Terror, False Flagg Terror, Warcrimes, Eugenic and so.

http://www.infokrieg.tv/

I had to join this conversation, being a political scientist and someone who was recruited to work in Congress I have some opinionated things to add.

I care about people. Including all of you. Tough love time.

But the mainstay government doesn't give a ____ about you.
It functions are to: Retain power, Control the masses, Expand Power, Make money. Rinse, and repeat.

In this "doomsday" emergency scenario do you know what the plan is? Protect those in charge Who Matter. Control the masses with military force and "draft" citizens into taking part in martial law as a supposed military police used to enforce rules upon other citizenry. Those who do not cooperate will be thrown into work camps (which those will quickly become overpopulated) and when those are are filled up don't expect a five star funeral service.

This is why America is at war. In essence to curb its own downfall. The economy is in the dumpster and the capitalist mode we have for a govt cannot sustain a negative income.

And why is the economy bad?

Could it be the money grubbing power hungry people who make profit off of our country's foreign policies?
Could it be your fault for electing and RE-ELECTING these people into office?
Could it be the Trillions of dollars in debt our country owes for its weapons production and failed investments?
Could it be the the government's own military officials and elected representatives who have sold and continue to sell massive amounts of weaponry to countries where we have vested interests in resources?
Could it be the Legislatures who again and again give tax breaks to companies...who still take their work overseas?
Could it be your fault because you being a consumerist bargain bloodhound will buy pieces of ___clothing made in china from Wall Mart, instead of something a little more expensive made in your own country?
Could it be that Reaganomics doesn't work?
Could it be our constant interference in other countries domestic disputes which leads us to spend more money on military action?

Its all of this and more, a large enough list to write a novel for grandma.
This war isn't going to have an "ending" without the end of our country.


So campers get a visa and learn to speak Brazilian, or else become a Appalachian mountaineer.
It'll be awhile before it rains, but an umbrella and a band-aid kit aren't going be enough to fix your boo boos.


Disclaimer
-All information disclosed about a "doomsday" scenario, was summarized, originally it was read directly from high ranking official's documents of FEMA's procedures in the event of wide scale Martial Law.

And what irritates me greatly is that the 1st people they go after when they declare martial law will be registered gun owners. The only ones capable of defending themselves from the tyranny of government. People with education will also have targets painted on their heads...as history has proven time and time again. History is like some sort of perverse manual for the people in power.

I am in such a horrible place in my mind right now that I cannot find a solution to this mess that will avoid us falling back into brutal subjugation...well, not one that is allowed to be mentioned on these forums. There are so many people that have their heads buried so far into the ground that it isn't even funny.

EDIT: 2nd to last sentence is about what is written in the Bible...did not want to imply anything else.

Hammonds? I sure hope you didn't register those guns....
If you don't, the only proof of sale is the 4473 you fill out at the place you've purchased the gun, and if the person that sold it is sound in the head, they know what to do with those forms if someone comes knocking.
::Sound of shredder::

The new administration wants to make the "registrations" a recorded event. So if you buy a new gun, they not only do a background check but also permanently record what you purchased.

They are also looking to put a stop to the face-to-face transactions by making it a felony to own any gun that is not registered. Oh, and registration is to be done yearly at $25 per weapon!

Couple that with the bullets not being able to be fired 2 months after being manufactured and they do not need to take guns away, you simply won't be able to afford them. And if you have them, you won't be proficient in using them because it costs too much to shoot.

Thus the reason we have over 5000 rounds of 5.56 ammo!! XD

By the time I started to collect ammo, it was already too late. It became impossible to purchase .223 ammo and what little I had went to target practice fully expecting I could buy more. DOH!

I'm cocked,locked and ready to rock!!!!

from a personal point of view id appreciate an apocalypse as it could just further my power and abilities - no need to go into detail i just hate mankind...

but from a sanity point of view... well...

1.
go out and abduct all of the rothshild family members and all those associated with them... throw em in a pit full of hungry murdercrabs

why them? read history... since a few hundred years every bad thing that happened incvolved two things: dead people and the rothshilds... they own the dollar and the world banking system, they control most governments and basicly every political descicion, hitler was the only one i can remember who gave (french for making love) bout them but yet they got him... afteall he needed em to finance his poo... research "waterloo fraud" "Federal reserve bank" "founding of israel" and "financial crysis"... check what made these events happen and who profitted the most... (just to name a few events which probably were important on the RS agenda)

a comprehensive list of all members is needed aswell as a sophisticated tactical executive unit

2.
start votes for regional aswell as a global government through all information ways possible,

the first action of this gov will be:
redistribution of all ressources to a central agency which distributes them by need amongst the regional governments united in the big world government
(mind redistribution is not meant in the way of communism but as i see it 90% of all owned ressources were aquirred by illegal means, be it alc smuggling or extortion anyway)

the 2nd action will be the build up of a scientific agency to extend the ressources available to us and also enhance their usability (even tho we are atm at a point were we could sustain earth and all its life with the tools available and even keep an acceptable level of comfort)

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i see no need to go into detail about the actual crisis at hand as its just a symptom but not the real problem...
financial experts are bloody retards anyway... just read their scientific theories and what they actually do... i get a gooseskin when i think bout it...
they intentionally weaken our currencies (ya theres more than the rupie.. erm dollar) by lowering the interests rates to stimulate invenstments which will be pointless as there are no people with enough money to buy the produced stuff which will result in the company taking the loan going bancrupt and becoming property of whom? the bank... well the rothshilds so to speak...
the other possibility would be to stop loans all together... this is not wanted as we need economical growth... but we only need that growth to counter the lower value of the currency which gets lower with every dollar lend which actually is much more than just one dollar as we need to add the interest and the possibility of it being loaned again and again... (mind only 90 cent of one dollar can be lend again but his doesnt stop the nasty chain of doom)
so basicly we have a system in place which by itself turns privately aquirred property into bank property and this is even supported and enforced by our governements....

corruption on the highest level of just a mad conspiracy theory?

Uh, Lhammonds? I'm pretty certain you can still buy .223 ammo . . .
AR15 forum page . . . with deals, etc . . .
(assuming they aren't sold out wherever you are trying to buy that is)

Or am I missing something?

I had stopped trying to buy ammo for some time now. It was before the election and no, you could not buy .223 ammo, even directly from the manufacturers. Apparently, you can get ammo from certain locations but local shops are still having difficulty getting certain types of ammo.

Here is some more cheerful news:

Fusion Centers Expand Criteria to Identify Militia Members

I guess the mere act of me posting that link makes me a terrorist to the crown...err...government. Or is that really American patriot? Hmmm...guess it depends on your point of view really. All "Americans" fighting the British were considered terrorists back in the day when the US was formed.

There are more targets painted on American civilians than I thought. It is no surprise that people who like Ron Paul would be "suspect" since it seems he is probably the one senator who thinks more like the original founders of the constitution than anyone else on capitol hill.

EDIT: I was given this link via PM for a petition against the "The Modern Militia Movement" report the article above covers. Call me crazy but if I was under the impression that the government is overstepping its authority to falsely single-out people that fall into this "terrorist" group they are defining, would it be a smart idea to send them your name on a petition? It is a double-edge sword for sure.

LHammonds

from wikipedia

The word “terrorism” is politically and emotionally charged,[4] and this greatly compounds the difficulty of providing a precise definition. A 1988 study by the United States Army found that over 100 definitions of the word “terrorism” have been used.[5] The concept of terrorism is itself controversial because it is often used by states to delegitimize political or foreign opponents, and potentially legitimize the state's own use of terror against them.

Notice this last part

The concept of terrorism is itself controversial because it is often used by states to delegitimize political or foreign opponents, and potentially legitimize the state's own use of terror against them.

So the states use terror tactics against a group of people like the Militias, who have a constitutional right to exist, by calling them terrorists. The people, who do not understand their own rights, point fingers and yell "Terrorist". Now the government steps in and uses terrorist tactics to "eliminate" the problem?

David Koresh, Branch Davidian, Waco, any of this ring a bell?

I posted a video of Ron Paul's on one of my sites, does that mean I'm a .....ummm...what the hell am I?

Oh well! See you in the camps LHammonds!

good post. well said. /agreed

This is an e-mail I received yesterday. I think that this thread is as good a place as any to post it.

"The Proposal"

When a company falls on difficult times, one of the things that seems to happen is they reduce their staff and workers. The remaining workers must find ways to continue to do a good job or risk that their job would be eliminated as well..



Wall street, and the media normally congratulate the CEO for making this type of "tough decision", and his board of directors gives him a big bonus.

Our government should not be immune from similar risks.

Therefore:

Reduce the House of Representatives from the current 435 members to 218 members.

Reduce Senate members from 100 to 50 (one per State).

Then, reduce their staff by 25%.

Accomplish this over the next 8 years

(two steps/two elections) and of course this would require some redistricting.

Some Yearly Monetary Gains Include:

$44,108,400 for elimination of base pay for congress. (267 members X $165,200 pay/member/ yr.)

$97,175,000 for elimination of their staff. (estimate $1.3 Million in staff per each member of the House, and $3 Million in staff per each member of the Senate every year)

$240,294 for the reduction in remaining staff by 25%.

$7,500,000,000 reduction in pork barrel ear-marks each year. (those members whose jobs are gone. Current estimates for total government pork earmarks are at $15 Billion/yr)

The remaining representatives would need to work smarter and improve efficiencies. It might even be in their best interests to work together for the good of our country!

We may also expect that smaller committees might lead to a more efficient resolution of issues as well. It might even be easier to keep track of what your representative is doing.

Congress has more tools available to do their jobs than it had back in 1911 when the current number of representatives was established. (telephone, computers, cell phones to name a few)

Note:
Congress did not hesitate to head home when it was a holiday, when the nation needed a real fix to the economic problems. Also, we have 3 senators that have not been doing their jobs for the past 18+ months (on the campaign trail) and still they all have been accepting full pay. These facts alone support a reduction in senators & congress.

Summary of opportunity:

$ 44,108,400 reduction of congress members..

$282,100, 000 for elimination of the reduced house member staff.

$150,000,000 for elimination of reduced senate member staff.

$59,675,000 for 25% reduction of staff for remaining house members.

$37,500,000 for 25% reduction of staff for remaining senate members.

$7,500,000,000 reduction in pork added to bills by the reduction of congress members.

$8,073,383,400 per year, estimated total savings. (that's 8-BILLION just to start!)

Big business does these types of cuts all the time.

If Congresspersons were required to serve 20, 25 or 30 years (like everyone else) in order to collect retirement benefits, tax payers could save a bundle.

Now they get full retirement after serving only ONE term.

problem with that proposal is that those that corrupt the gov will have an easier play... they would need to print less money (which would be good for inflation reasons tho) as they need to control less people...
well even tho i must admit that the system itself is quite self sustainable and doesnt need much work to corrupt those in power...

i mean basicly why didnt you amercants stand up yet? your constitution is quite simple but right... and whats happening since 1927 and the first financial crisis has moved your system out of the boundaries of the constitution, jefferson made it quite clear i think... hand the power over the mighty green buck over to the banking system and out of gov hands and you end up in a system of corruption... thats what you got that amendment to wield guns for... and youre one of the few lucky people that have the right to own weapons to fight for their right! by constituion many countries have the right to fight a corrupt gov but most dont have the means to do so...

once your country would be freed, about 30% of the accumulated power of the devil will be taken back into the hands of the people... would be a vast achievement for mankind i guess and probably spread to other countries until those that poison and destroy our brothers will know that our name is mankind when we lay vengance upon them.

There are a few small problems with your ideas. First is the fact that any group that defends our constitution against the abuse of our own government is labeled by that same government as a terrorist groups. That is why Militias are called terrorists by the media. Secondly is the fact that by the time you gained a membership of ten people to a group opposed to the way our government is being run, you would have someone in that group who is an informant.

Even though we have the right to bear arms, we don't really have the right to do anything with them. Raising weapons against our government is not the answer, the people would be defeated. States could succeed from the Union but since the brutality of the American Civil War, no state would dare. Our Civil war was the most violent and bloody war ever fought by this country and contrary to what the media would have people believe, it was not about slavery. States wanted the right to govern themselves without interference from Washington. Thirteen states separated themselves from the U.S. and became a separate country.

As long as we hold to the constitution and keep our right, the government can not have complete control. We can not be ruled as slaves. We are free men. When we allow our government to take that single right away, we are agreeing to a dictatorship.

From a post on another thread

"...A CIVILIZED NATION HAS FULL GUN REGISTRATION." - ADOLPH HITLER

Seems like more of a supply/demand issue to me. Its definitely available. Just people are snapping it up as quickly as they can get it.

Its a question of how far you think the government has gone - there are those who think the govt is already making lists, and those who simply think it is down the wrong track. The Campagin for Liberty (and Ron Paul for that matter) fall in the later group. They're trying to fix what the problems they see in the current government establishment.

UPDATE: Missouri Retracts MIAC report