When is Arwen born anyway?
With aragorn out of the picture for a while there is no reason she couldn't hava a little "highschool affair"?

Yes, due to the extensive age of elves and Gandalf (along with other wizards of his ilk), shouldnt it be quite possible to meet them. I know the game is extremely large, but it should still be possible.

Arwen is born in the year 241 of the third age, so chances are she'll be there... So good luck convincing Elrond that you are the one for her!

Bleh, you dont need to tell the parents

Uhh, the only problem would be that she dies afterward.

You do know that there are clinics for those types of things.

step1
-Give Elrond a pair of groovy sunglassed, he will fall out of character.
"So you are the one ring? Mr Anderson?"

step2
-Elronds script crashes and he has a nervous breakdown, has to spend the next 80 years in a mental clinic. Because of the shame nothing of this is ofcourse told to tolkien.

step3
Arwen has a half-elven bastard child from me, as it is born i whisk him away to an aunt and uncle running a water farm in the deep desert where he can grow up to be the new evil overlord after sauron is gone. she never tells anyone because i heve her in my might.

Trust me, i have it all worked out.

She gives her love to a mortal, she becomes one. Then, she dies.

P.S. I half expected to see/hear Elrond tell Frodo "Mr. Anderson..... Surprised to see me?"

My plan was to have Elrond keel over from pure shock, or blackmail him(C'mon, i'll find something with his name on it).

Yer i mean them elves cant have been all good and graceful all there lives. No doubt in his youth Elrond was going out with his friends and getting drunk and just being a nousence (sp?) the the elf communtiy. They'll be some one who knows something lol

I thought because she was a half elf she could decide whether or not she wanted to be mortal or not. Not because of love or not sailing away. Because i remember reading in the Silmarillion that Elronds brother Elros (i think) chose a mortal life and became the first king of Numenor and Elrond chose to be immortal.
And that the half elves were given the gift of choice, or something like that.

Yup, you might be right! I was just making my best guess, but when I read your post I opened up Silmarillion, and it does seem that half-elves do get a choice, though my norwegian edition did come off a bit blurry about if it was all the half-elves or just Elrond and Elros... Though I do believe you are correct, Icefiddell...

Just one question: How would one go about making such a choice? Just by thinking it or by sending a letter to Valinor?

Elrond and Elros were giving the choice of race because of the deeds of their ancestors, and that they represented the only documented mingling of the children of Illuvatar. If there are/were other Half-Elves it is not certain that they would have a choice of race. It is interesting to note that the Numenorean Kings could not choose to become immortal, while at least Arwen can decide which race to belong to.. I'm not positive about how Arwen makes her decision, but the Silmarilion makes it sound like Elrond and Elros were asked, they made their decisions, and that was that.

The thing is with the Numenoreans they were men, once Elros chose to be mortal, he was mortal but remember the Numenoreans still had the power of long life. I think once he chose he actually became a man and was no longer classed as a half elf if you know what i mean.

But with Elrond he chose to be immortal and maybe it was just his decendents can choose if they want if they want to stay immortal or become one of the second born (or what ever Tolkien calls us lol). So maybe it only works for the ones that are immortal, or maybe i'm just confusing myself ..........who knows.

As for how it happens maybe they light a camp fire and do some sort of ritual dance and sing a few songs. in all serious though i think that they'd probably just think it or talk to the Valar or something like that.

Sorry to keep bringing back this post but ive found something i think may also be relevant.

In the Silmarillion there is a chapter called 'Of Beren and Luthien' it is also reffered to be Aragorn in LOTR: The Fellowship of the Ring. In Chapter 11 (A Knife in the Dark).

Where he tells the Hobbits a much shortened versin of the story, but one of the things he says made me think of this thread 'But she chose mortality, and to die from the world....So it is Luthien alone of the Elf-kindredhas died indeed and left the world,'

So now i'm not really sure what to make of this, because she was able to choose a mortal life so does that mean it was possible for all elves to choose a mortal life. But then again i guess she was half Maiar.

This might have been better in the Lore Scetion.

When beren died, Luthien also "died" and went to the west. She was giving the choice of sharing Berens fate (becoming mortal) and having a short time with him as living man and woman in ME or losing him forever and remaining as she was born. On a side note, Luthien and Beren's son was Dior, father of Elwing, mother of Elrond and Elros.

Firstly I want to note that I spent a lot of time off-line to write this post, so I am aware of certain similarities with the above post...

After both Beren and Lúthien had died Lúthien got a choice from Manwë, himself, between staying in Valimar as elves should, or return to life with Beren, her love, under the conditions that she would become mortal. She chose the last, and they both returned to life and lived happily together. I won't list the descendants from these two but they end up with both Arwen and Aragorn. The valar does not possess the power to take the gift of death away from humans, but concerning half-elves Iluvatar let the valar decide... They gave Elrond and Elros the choice of belonging to the elves or the humans. Elrond chose the elves, and thus Arwen is bound to his choice, so that when Elrond left Middle Earth Arwen became mortal. She still had the choice of sailing west to live there, but as the appendixes of LotR explains, when Aragorn died and she first considered this option all the ships had sailed. Alone she died on Cerin Amroth in Lòrien, where she had first promised Aragorn to stay with him. Elros' descendants, including Aragorn, all were mortal but had longer lifetimes than most humans, they also had the ability to die when they wanted to, as Aragorn did when he went to his final sleep.

All this I gathered from Silmarillion, LotR and especially the appendixes of LotR. I spent quite some time pondering this before having it confirmed when I stumbled upon a letter from Tolkien to a certain Mr. Hastings. I will quote the most important, in my poinion, parts of that letter, concerning this topic below. The letter from Mr. Hastings questioned re-incarnation of Lúthien in Arwen.

Hmmmm.....cool.

But has anyone else stopped to think about this, Aragorn and Arwen are related, ok yes very distant lol but hey i'm suprised Elrond let such things happen in his house hold lol

Okay, that's just wrong.

Then you people probably love the story of Túrin Turambar and Nienor...

Oh yer had forgotten about that one, weren't they brother and sister or something like that, its been awhile since i read the Sillmarilion so i'm a little shady on these things.

They were brother and sister, yes.


pharzon..

Double post/spam removed.

Thanks, Peregrine..

It is not that unusual to be married to a relative in Middle-Earth, as there are plenty of examples thereof.

pharzon..