The Silmarillion
#1
Posted 30 May 2004 - 06:27 PM
I'm having trouble figuring out how the Silmarillion relates to the rest of Tolkien's world. So, I have a couple questions.
1. Is Middle-Earth the name of Tolkien's entire world, or just one land-mass?
2. Where is Beleriand, in relation to the area that LOTR pertains to? Is it another landmass, or is it just very far away from that area?
1. Is Middle-Earth the name of Tolkien's entire world, or just one land-mass?
2. Where is Beleriand, in relation to the area that LOTR pertains to? Is it another landmass, or is it just very far away from that area?
#4
Posted 30 May 2004 - 11:14 PM
In the very east of the maps in the Silmarillion, you see the Ered Luin, the Blue Mountains, on the very edge of Beleriand. Beleriand was a part of Middle-Earth. When you look at the maps in your Lord of the Rings copy, then, you will see that the is now just barely past the western edge of the Ered Luin. After the War of Wrath at the very end of the First Age, where the Valar and the Vanyar came to Middle-Earth to defeat Morgoth for the final time in the Silmarillion, Beleriand was so wrack with destruction that it was completely sunk into the ocean.
In answer to your first question, Middle-Earth was only one land-mass, which included what we know as the Middle-Earth in the Second and Third ages, plus in the First Age what we know to be Beleriand. A great, wide ocean separated the continent of Middle-Earth from the landmass of Valinor. Early in the First Age, there was an ice bridge connecting Middle-Earth and Valinor in the North, due to Melkor's great cold. He did not forsee the ice and great cold helping the Noldor to pass into Middle-Earth.
I diverged from the point of topic a bit, I think, but you will find your answers in there. Toodles.
~FFL
In answer to your first question, Middle-Earth was only one land-mass, which included what we know as the Middle-Earth in the Second and Third ages, plus in the First Age what we know to be Beleriand. A great, wide ocean separated the continent of Middle-Earth from the landmass of Valinor. Early in the First Age, there was an ice bridge connecting Middle-Earth and Valinor in the North, due to Melkor's great cold. He did not forsee the ice and great cold helping the Noldor to pass into Middle-Earth.
I diverged from the point of topic a bit, I think, but you will find your answers in there. Toodles.
~FFL
#5
Posted 01 June 2004 - 02:32 AM
simply put...
Valinor used to be the west of Middle Earth until it was taken from this world.
Middle-earth is in the middle (hence the name). Beleriand was the northern 1/3 of middle earth until it sunk.
The Sun Lands are to the East.
The Dark Lands are to the south.
Valinor used to be the west of Middle Earth until it was taken from this world.
Middle-earth is in the middle (hence the name). Beleriand was the northern 1/3 of middle earth until it sunk.
The Sun Lands are to the East.
The Dark Lands are to the south.
#7
Posted 18 July 2004 - 09:05 PM
I have a question about The Silmarillion too. What does it tell? I feel like I'm missing a big part of the story, because I have not yet read it. Does it tell about the history of Middle-Earth? (I do not want the entire story, I just want to know what is told in it. I'm thinking of buying a copy.)
#8
Posted 18 July 2004 - 10:45 PM
It's seperated in different sections explaining the creation of the world, creation of elves,dwarves, and men. It tells of the struggle between Melkor the first dark lord, and the Valar. It gives a history of the Elves leaving, then returning to MiddleEarth. The Rise of Numenor and Sauron's play in everything is explained. Hope that helps. Great read, and It makes the MiddleEarth world that much deeper.
#10
Posted 19 July 2004 - 08:32 AM
In short, The Silmarillion begins with the biblical-like creation of Tolkien's world, called Arda. Eru, a god-like being, creates his angelic children, and creates the universe of Ea within the void, where his children create the world of Arda frpm the music of Eru. These children are called Valar (the 14 greatest) and Maiar (the numberless lesser), the race itself is called Ainu. The greatest of the Ainu is called Melkor, or Morgoth by the residents of Arda, and he is the first and the source of the evil in the world. This is how the story begins.
The Silmariliion continues with the creation of the world, and the battles between the Valar (who are the powers, keepers and creators of the world) and Morgoth and his servants (from corrupted beasts of Middle Earth to corrupted Maiar otherwise known as Balrogs). The Silmarillion tells about the creation of Elves, of Man, of Dwarves, of the wars of Men, Elves, and Dwarves with the evil of Morgoth. It tells about the passing of the Elves to the west, into the Undying Lands, and mainly focuses on the Silmarils - stunning magical jewls made by the hands of the most skilled elf, Feanor, and coveted by Morgoth.
The war of the Silmarils is of the first age of Middle-Earth, and Silmarillion also gives some details about the second age. The Silmarillion tells about many stories that you hear of in the Lord of the Rings, and have no or little idea about - like the story of Luthien, the history of Numenore, the Two Trees of Valinor, the creation of the world, etc.
The Silmariliion continues with the creation of the world, and the battles between the Valar (who are the powers, keepers and creators of the world) and Morgoth and his servants (from corrupted beasts of Middle Earth to corrupted Maiar otherwise known as Balrogs). The Silmarillion tells about the creation of Elves, of Man, of Dwarves, of the wars of Men, Elves, and Dwarves with the evil of Morgoth. It tells about the passing of the Elves to the west, into the Undying Lands, and mainly focuses on the Silmarils - stunning magical jewls made by the hands of the most skilled elf, Feanor, and coveted by Morgoth.
The war of the Silmarils is of the first age of Middle-Earth, and Silmarillion also gives some details about the second age. The Silmarillion tells about many stories that you hear of in the Lord of the Rings, and have no or little idea about - like the story of Luthien, the history of Numenore, the Two Trees of Valinor, the creation of the world, etc.




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