[Stefanzhr]

Correct me if I am wrong, but the exact birth date and age of Legolas at the time of the War of the Ring are unknown. But he does seem to be a very wise elf, which implies old age. Therefore while you can not play as him (I think the mod would suck if you could), you might just be able to encounter him if you journey into Mirkwood and ask to see the prince.

BTW,

I was re-reading The Council of Elrond chapter, and I stumbled upon this quote:

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'Some, Galdor,' said Gandalf, 'would think the tidings of Gloin, and the pursuit of Frodo, proof enough that the halfling's trove is a thing of great worth to the Enemy.  Yet it is a ring.  What then?  The Nine the Nazgul keep.  The Seven are taken or destroyed.'  At this Gloin stirred, but did not speak.  'The Three we know of.  What then is this one that he desires so much?

Did anyone else notice this? What do you think?

[valdir]

*waits for Daerk and his almighty smack-down*
=)

Actually, I noticed that too, since I read that chapter not too long ago, BUT from my limited knowledge, I think the most of the seven are, well... taken or destroyed.

-val

[Zaephion]

The last of the Dwarf rings was lost by Thrain II (father of Thorin Oakenshield from The Hobbit) when he was captured by Sauron near Mirkwood and imprisoned in Dol Guldor. Gloin was part of Thorin's quest with Biblo.. perhaps thats as far as the link goes.

[Stefanzhr]

The following is from The Encyclopedia of Arda.

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Those of the Rings of Power that Sauron gave to the Dwarves to seduce them to his service. The Dwarves proved too hardy to be lured in this way, though, and the Rings did little more than increase their native lust for gold. By the end of the Third Age, Sauron had recovered three of the Seven Rings to himself, and the other four had been consumed by dragons.

I don't think Tolkien gets any more specificabout the ones "consumed by dragons." Perhaps one of the Dragon's was Smaug, and since he killed one of the dwarven ring-bearers, people assumed that he destroyed the ring as well.

The ring might have been added to Smaug's great collection of treasures, and then found by Gloin after the treasures were recovered by Thorin Oakenshield's company.

Daerk, we could really use your expertise here (please.)

[Ancalagon]

Well, none of the Rings (for Dwarves) were in Gloin's possesion. He stired because he thought that Thorin had the last Ring (or something to that extent) but Gandalf breaks it to him that when he found Thorin's Grandfather in Dol Guldur, all he had was a *Map* (IIRC?) Sauron had taken the Ring from him already and left Thrain a witless and broken Dwarf.

All of the Seven are accounted for, three to the Dark Lord and four to the bellies of Dragons. The Nine are worn by the Ringwraiths and the Three Elven Rings were hidden as well for they were the only ones untouched by Sauron's hand.

Even if Gloin had the last Dwarven Ring it would not have mattered. Their Rings delt with treasure and greed, and increasing their personel stashs. Such a Ring would have availed little before the power of th Dark Lord.

[Muennin]

Agreed, Ancalagon. It would have served as little more than a tracking beacon for Sauron. The dwarves, although not immune their rings' powers, did not respond to them as Sauron may have intended.

[Stefanzhr]

I am saying that Gloin may be in possession of one of the four thought to be destroyed by dragons.

[Ancalagon]

No, dude he isn't in possession. He stirred because he thought that the one Thorin's GP had wasn't lost (it was, Sauron claimed it from Thrain when he captured him).

It's ok, I thought the same but then re-read the chapter and looked at the histories and saw that all the four were gone. If Gandalf says Four went into the Dragon's belly, then four went into the Dragon's belly. You don't argue with Gandalf

[Stefanzhr]

Gandalf is not perfect. He failed to see that Saruman was turning evil until it was too late, why is it beyond reason that he made another mistake?

[Rynos]

To answer the first question about Legolas being in the mod... Like I(and many others) said before if the timeline is right and its in the book then it'll be in MEmod... Now if you really want to go into the dangerous depths of Mirkwood to find an elf that you may never actually get near enough to... good luck to you.