[Michlo]

Hiya,

I stopped playing a few months ago because I couldn't figure out this crash problem (I've been enjoying Dragon Age: Origins of late).

Seeing 2012 last night put me in the mood for diving back in (particularly since I still haven't done Point Lookout and Zeta yet) and I thought I had removed the crash problem by taking my mods down to the minimum and removing the big Terminator mod I had (which I enjoyed but it was buggy).

I started a save game from just before leaving the vault and all seemed well for a while.

That is, until I was on my way from Megaton to Minefield for Moira. I get about half way there and then whenever I try a save after looting I CTD.

I know it is a lot to ask but please, if you have any advice on what may be conflicting in my mods to cause this, I would very much appreciate it.

Cheers.



Fallout3.esm
ThePitt.esm
Mart's Mutant Mod.esm
BrokenSteel.esm
PointLookout.esm
Zeta.esm
StreetLights.esm
Sharing and Caring Companions.esm
Owned!.esp
Arefu_Expanded.esp
FireLightFix.esp
DTOMRC3.esp
RobCo Certified.esp
UPP - Experience Perks.esp
UPP - Pack 1.esp
UPP - Pack 2.esp
UPP - Quest Perks.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - Increased Spawns.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - Zones Respawn.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - Natural Selection.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - Tougher Traders.esp
GalaxyNewsRadio100[M].esp
20x Durability.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC Broken Steel.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC Point Lookout.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC The Pitt.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC Zeta.esp
Megaton Tweaks - Snipers Edition.esp
RRR+PITT 1.0.esp
SuperDuperMart.esp
UPP - Beverage Perks.esp
UPP - Original Perks.esp
Vault-Tec Experimental Dimensional Safe.esp
VendorCapsIncreased100X.esp
Colored Piplight (Blue).esp
Colored Piplight (Brightness - 200%).esp
DCInteriors_ComboEdition.esp
RadioYourFriendsV1.01.esp
Riverside Apartments.esp
sunglassescollection.esp
SniperZooming.esp
CBOv1.4.esp
StreetLights - Wasteland.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - Hunting & Looting.esp

Total active plugins: 46
Total plugins: 46

[csb]

One minor thing and one major thing:

First the minor: BrokenSteel.esm should be the last of the DLCs to load (it sets the level cap to 30).

Now the major: If your save game relied on content from mods that are now uninstalled, you are ripe for a crash, particularly if the mod(s) gave perks and those perks were not removed from your save file.

Try with a new game.

You'll also want Timeslip's Fallout Mod Manager (FOMM) and ElminsterAU's FO3Edit. The first is great for load-ordering your mods. The second is a must-have for finding and fixing mod conflicts. You'll want Miax's great FO3Edit Guide - Web-enized to learn how to use FO3Edit to its maximum troubleshooting potential.

Hope this helps.

[Michlo]

Thank you (and kudos), CSB.

I've never removed any mods I felt would impact my saves (such as a perks one) but yesterday I did completely uninstall, reinstall and start a new game and I'm fine up until the same point. *sigh*

I do use FOMM and now I'm trying to get my head around FO3Edit. That guide will surely help.

Cheers.

[Michlo]

Yay, with some playing around with the load order after using FO3edit and also removing one which was causing a LOT of conflicts (Owned!) my game is finally stable.

Thanks again, csb.

My new load order follows (now I wonder if I dare risk trying Fellout again, heh).

Cheers.


Fallout3.esm
ThePitt.esm
Mart's Mutant Mod.esm
PointLookout.esm
Zeta.esm
BrokenSteel.esm
StreetLights.esm
Sharing and Caring Companions.esm
FireLightFix.esp
DTOMRC3.esp
RobCo Certified.esp
UPP - Experience Perks.esp
UPP - Original Perks.esp
UPP - Pack 1.esp
UPP - Pack 2.esp
UPP - Quest Perks.esp
UPP - Beverage Perks.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - Increased Spawns.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - Zones Respawn.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - Natural Selection.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - Tougher Traders.esp
GalaxyNewsRadio100[M].esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC Broken Steel.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC Point Lookout.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC The Pitt.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC Zeta.esp
Megaton Tweaks - Snipers Edition.esp
RRR+PITT 1.0.esp
SuperDuperMart.esp
Vault-Tec Experimental Dimensional Safe.esp
VendorCapsIncreased100X.esp
Colored Piplight (Brightness - 200%).esp
Colored Piplight (Blue).esp
DCInteriors_ComboEdition.esp
RadioYourFriendsV1.01.esp
Riverside Apartments.esp
sunglassescollection.esp
SniperZooming.esp
CBOv1.4.esp
StreetLights - Wasteland.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - Hunting & Looting.esp
Arefu_Expanded.esp
20x Durability.esp

Total active plugins: 44
Total plugins: 44

[Michlo]

Yay, with some playing around with the load order after using FO3edit and also removing one which was causing a LOT of conflicts (Owned!) my game is finally stable.

Thanks again, csb.

My new load order follows (now I wonder if I dare risk trying Fellout again, heh).

Cheers.


Fallout3.esm
ThePitt.esm
Mart's Mutant Mod.esm
PointLookout.esm
Zeta.esm
BrokenSteel.esm
StreetLights.esm
Sharing and Caring Companions.esm
FireLightFix.esp
DTOMRC3.esp
RobCo Certified.esp
UPP - Experience Perks.esp
UPP - Original Perks.esp
UPP - Pack 1.esp
UPP - Pack 2.esp
UPP - Quest Perks.esp
UPP - Beverage Perks.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - Increased Spawns.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - Zones Respawn.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - Natural Selection.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - Tougher Traders.esp
GalaxyNewsRadio100[M].esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC Broken Steel.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC Point Lookout.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC The Pitt.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC Zeta.esp
Megaton Tweaks - Snipers Edition.esp
RRR+PITT 1.0.esp
SuperDuperMart.esp
Vault-Tec Experimental Dimensional Safe.esp
VendorCapsIncreased100X.esp
Colored Piplight (Brightness - 200%).esp
Colored Piplight (Blue).esp
DCInteriors_ComboEdition.esp
RadioYourFriendsV1.01.esp
Riverside Apartments.esp
sunglassescollection.esp
SniperZooming.esp
CBOv1.4.esp
StreetLights - Wasteland.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - Hunting & Looting.esp
Arefu_Expanded.esp
20x Durability.esp

Total active plugins: 44
Total plugins: 44

[Michlo]

Yup, Fellout working fine. Phew.