[tortured Tomato]

This summer the German gamers had some strange luck.
The German government planned to ban so called "Killer Games" (like Counter Strike, Wolfenstein etc) to make the world a better place.

The idea was plain and simple:
In Killer Games games you can do evil things (shooting people and so on). So some of the people who play these games are getting evil by time and sooner or later they would start running amok.

So ... luckily these plans seems to be stopped for now, because more than 60000 gamers contributed to a petition to stop the ban.

"But the world is still in danger" - may have thought some brave defenders of a better world. So they organized an event in front of the State Opera House in Stuttgard, tomorrow on October the 17th. It is called "Familien gegen Killerspiele" (Families against Killer Games). There people are invited to dispose of their evil games into some proper trash cans.

Here is an english article regarding the event:
http://www.escapistm...iller-Game-Cull

So what's your oppinion?
Do they act right? Does it change something?

[Skotte]

While I can understand why they'd want to do something after such a tragedy. IMO violent or "killer" games are a convenient scape goat. it's a simple non-solution to a complex problem.

[jaysus]

krautland that is lol...
man, that debate is as old as computer games in our lovely colony. For some time games in the UK were even advertised as being banned in germany lol...
it started with the FSK went over some hillarious nazi bashing (remember that punk that got sued for wearing antifa emblems which featured a crossed swastika lol) right up to Zensursula and her child porn excuses... well the swine flu is also quite good as a scapegoat for whatever you might need... thx god they didnt bomb schools so far as the us and uk govs do from time to time to ignite fear.
but ya agreed, its utterly nonsense, they should rather look into why kids actually wanna kill their teachers so often, maybe it has to do with the fact that many of em have no idea how heavily they influence the kids lives with their poo and screw em all over? maybe, just asking
they should be grateful that these kids learn to kill efficently by getting a good eye-hand coordination for example and hence spare their victims of unneccessary suffering (sorry pun intended)

[Marcus Wolfe]

Did anyone look at the related news? For the love of ****, those Germans are getting paranoid.

[jaysus]

we? lol... not only us i tell you... paranoia is a powerful tool to cotnrol the masses and most govs use it rather than happiness to rule.

[Mavrosh]

I live in Germany and I am mad about all this discussion... As if the youth running amok is a result of killer games. This answer is not that simple. The resons are in society, pressure evrywhere, the future is not safe, parents do not care and are both working full time to feed the mouths, nobody gives a poo abou you when you do not fi into the mass... I could name so many things which are responsible for this crap happening out there...

I also wonder: Why can people here who are underage play games with mature content. I know how they get them but why doesn´t anybody care about this? Like parents for example, do they know what their children do?

I have two children myself. And I play killer games. I play softair as well. My kids have never seen me doing these things. They both use the computer regularely but I know what they do with it.

I have never ever thought about going out and shooting everybody just because of my hobbies. Sometimes it is more the other way around... when I am in an aggressive mood and play at my computer, I feel a lot better and more relaxed afterwards...

[dezdimona]

Mavrosh, on Oct 18 2009, 02:14 PM, said:

I live in Germany and I am mad about all this discussion... As if the youth running amok is a result of killer games. This answer is not that simple. The resons are in society, pressure evrywhere, the future is not safe, parents do not care and are both working full time to feed the mouths, nobody gives a poo abou you when you do not fi into the mass... I could name so many things which are responsible for this crap happening out there...

I also wonder: Why can people here who are underage play games with mature content. I know how they get them but why doesn´t anybody care about this? Like parents for example, do they know what their children do?

I have two children myself. And I play killer games. I play softair as well. My kids have never seen me doing these things. They both use the computer regularely but I know what they do with it.

I have never ever thought about going out and shooting everybody just because of my hobbies. Sometimes it is more the other way around... when I am in an aggressive mood and play at my computer, I feel a lot better and more relaxed afterwards...

you are a wise woman Mav.Society dictates what it feels will help,when in reality all it does is cause more chaos for those who really appreciate a genre of games.The little people run and hide,quake and call for help,but in reality they themselves sow the seeds of their own discord.

[Marcus Wolfe]

For anyone who didn't look around, the Germans think that WOW should be Adult-Only. They also want to outlaw paintball. This is getting ridiculous.

[Fifoo]

Skotte, on Oct 18 2009, 12:30 AM, said:

While I can understand why they'd want to do something after such a tragedy. IMO violent or "killer" games are a convenient scape goat. it's a simple non-solution to a complex problem.

I do agree when it comes to education.

jaysus, on Oct 18 2009, 01:39 PM, said:

we? lol... not only us i tell you... paranoia is a powerful tool to cotnrol the masses and most govs use it rather than happiness to rule.

Hmm... Funny how it coincide with the German Elections last weeks. But this is not the way I want to discuss about it.

dezdimona, on Oct 18 2009, 05:21 PM, said:

Mavrosh, on Oct 18 2009, 02:14 PM, said:

I live in Germany and I am mad about all this discussion... As if the youth running amok is a result of killer games. This answer is not that simple. The resons are in society, pressure evrywhere, the future is not safe, parents do not care and are both working full time to feed the mouths, nobody gives a poo abou you when you do not fi into the mass... I could name so many things which are responsible for this crap happening out there...

I also wonder: Why can people here who are underage play games with mature content. I know how they get them but why doesn´t anybody care about this? Like parents for example, do they know what their children do?

I have two children myself. And I play killer games. I play softair as well. My kids have never seen me doing these things. They both use the computer regularely but I know what they do with it.

I have never ever thought about going out and shooting everybody just because of my hobbies. Sometimes it is more the other way around... when I am in an aggressive mood and play at my computer, I feel a lot better and more relaxed afterwards...

you are a wise woman Mav.Society dictates what it feels will help,when in reality all it does is cause more chaos for those who really appreciate a genre of games.The little people run and hide,quake and call for help,but in reality they themselves sow the seeds of their own discord.

Nicely and wisingly both said, Dezi and Mavrosh... as always.

Marcus Wolfe, on Oct 18 2009, 05:44 PM, said:

For anyone who didn't look around, the Germans think that WOW should be Adult-Only. They also want to outlaw paintball. This is getting ridiculous.

In my opinion, people are getting bored by finding non-solutions to a real problem. They only scrape the crust off without entering in the basic problems: modern life, education, and good guidance... Making those ugly ban things are not the solution.

Many people wants to live in a better world, and a better world could be interpreted by many way in accordance with our world's vision, determined upon our lifestyle, our education, our knowledge of the world. And sometimes people are lost behind the complexity of this problem. Things are getting very fast, too fast sometimes for completely assimilating on how it goes in our world and how it evolves.

Today games are plainly in our everyday life, and previous generations sometimes don't understand our passion for that. I play games and airsoft too, and this makes me not getting amok to the point of killing people! I've had the chance that my parents inculcated me those golden rules: munificence of mind and respect for eachothers, and to have had a college education gave us a good basis about knowledge of our world, we must never forget this.

Sadly, it's not the case for everyone and nowadays we can see in every lands that our respective governments are indisposed to give all powers in state education and through lack of money this is not their great priorities. They prefer to put money in money-making domains, or political interests etc... And our economic and financial world models have showned their fragility, their vulnerability and underbelly.

To some extent a lot of parents are showing their inabilities to give a good education and child rearing is the basic problem.

[Mavrosh]

Marcus Wolfe, on Oct 18 2009, 05:44 PM, said:

For anyone who didn't look around, the Germans think that WOW should be Adult-Only. They also want to outlaw paintball. This is getting ridiculous.

The WoW thing is because a lot of people are getting addicted to the game and not because of its content. I do not say that making it an adult only game is the solution, I just wanted to explain why they think about it and that this is a different problem. :-)